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Your Thoughts on Ease of Firearms Access.

No firearms in general.
4
2%
No firearms for anyone except military and specialized police units.
18
8%
No firearms except for law enforcement.
4
2%
Bolt-action/etc. rifles/shotguns under strict circumstances.
9
4%
Hunting firearms & Handguns under strict circumstances.
17
8%
Open access to hunting firearms and handguns for civilians.
12
5%
Open access to hunting firearms but strict access to other weaponry such as semi-automatic rifles.
18
8%
Open access to all weapons up to and including semi-automatic weapons.
46
21%
Open access to all weapons up to and including "destructive devices", artillery pieces, & automatic firearms.
38
17%
Open access to all weapons that one can purchase with their own money (Recreational McNukes and Privateers with guided missile destroyers anyone?)
53
24%
 
Total votes : 219

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Postby The boogaloo empire » Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:01 pm

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:10 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
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Too bad Judge Roger Thomas Benitez wasn't also sitting on the supreme court next to Clarence Thomas as they rule on overturning an unconstitutional gun control law. I do like judge Benitez' no nonsense writing style, cuts to the chase and doesn't hold back.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:32 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Your disdain for human rights is common knowledge, you don't need to shout at the sky any time people somewhere enjoy some freedom.

Have you considered actually engaging with the points people make?

Ors Might wrote:I mean, sure, if you want to argue that firearms won’t ever be used in a revolution, you can go ahead and do that. It’s a really weird argument that relies upon the baseless assumption that the factors that lead to revolution cannot and will not be replicated in modern society but you can make it.

Not my argument. Rather, that based on the track record of gun owners, they’re not going to raise up and defend any of the other rights. They’ve all been violated.
What do we hear from the firearms crowd? Crickets.

Rojava Free State wrote:
That just means we have to be more vocal. Not that we should take guns away. People need to know their rights. They need to be ready to fight for them.

No, it means you need a rationale for your guns that’s based in reality.


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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:06 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Kowani wrote:Have you considered actually engaging with the points people make?


Not my argument. Rather, that based on the track record of gun owners, they’re not going to raise up and defend any of the other rights. They’ve all been violated.
What do we hear from the firearms crowd? Crickets.


No, it means you need a rationale for your guns that’s based in reality.


And my rationale is to defend myself from everything ranging from the common crook up to a crooked cop. I think that's a perfectly sound rationale to have a pistol.

Panic-button claymore-mine if they make it to the kill-zone main-hall.
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Postby The Chuck » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:11 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
And my rationale is to defend myself from everything ranging from the common crook up to a crooked cop. I think that's a perfectly sound rationale to have a pistol.

Panic-button claymore-mine if they make it to the kill-zone main-hall.


ANFO under the floor boards. They can't make it up the steps to my Roof Korean perch if there are no steps... and no half of the house.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:16 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Panic-button claymore-mine if they make it to the kill-zone main-hall.


ANFO under the floor boards. They can't make it up the steps to my Roof Korean perch if there are no steps... and no half of the house.

That's why you point the claymore down.

Also breaches a hole in the floor for you to shoot into the floor below.

I mean, if you can predict that they'll stack on a corner before an obvious fatal funnel... you can really start exploiting normal hollywood-tactics.

Hear flashbang, pull trigger. People tend to lose their composure when you casually pull that in an RP, BTW.
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Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:48 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:

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I'm going to be honest, I watched that for about 5 minutes, trying to see the seam in that loop.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:56 am

The Chuck wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Panic-button claymore-mine if they make it to the kill-zone main-hall.


ANFO under the floor boards. They can't make it up the steps to my Roof Korean perch if there are no steps... and no half of the house.

And when all else fails, extract yourself with a Fulton Skyhook and call in Puff the Magic Dragon to level the house.
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Postby The Chuck » Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:55 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
ANFO under the floor boards. They can't make it up the steps to my Roof Korean perch if there are no steps... and no half of the house.

And when all else fails, extract yourself with a Fulton Skyhook and call in Puff the Magic Dragon to level the house.


^ this man gets it :P
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:04 am

The Chuck wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:And when all else fails, extract yourself with a Fulton Skyhook and call in Puff the Magic Dragon to level the house.


^ this man gets it :P

Some people say you should keep your yard landscaped so that you can see any intruders trying to break in.

I think it would be more effective if you let the grass grow chest high and blast "Fortunate Son" at maximum volume...
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Postby The Chuck » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:56 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
^ this man gets it :P

Some people say you should keep your yard landscaped so that you can see any intruders trying to break in.

I think it would be more effective if you let the grass grow chest high and blast "Fortunate Son" at maximum volume...


I planted elephant grass so any intruders get cut to shit and I also have a few tall trees with platforms in em...
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:48 pm

Well check this out.
A prosecution for unlawful machine gun possession was granted cert by the Supreme Court--and the Justice Dept. filed a motion applying to vacate the judgment and drop the indictment. (It appears that the defendant challenged the constitutionality of the indictment before this went to trial.) Huh?
The argument that scared DOJ into dropping felony charges is that:

1. Federal authority to regulate machine guns is derived from their authority to tax them.
2. Since 1986, it is has been unlawful to make them for private ownership.
3. If they will not collect that tax, do they have authority to regulate their possession?

Apparently this is a side effect of ACA which required you to pay a tax for not being insured. The penalty was reduced to 0 recently by Congress, so the individual mandate no longer has any basis, because it was derived from Congressional taxing authority. It appears that DOJ has figured what that my friend Stephen Halbrook argued in U.S. v. Rock Island Armory (C.D. Ill. 1991) could sink machine gun regulation, very quickly:

As applied to machineguns alleged to be possessed after May 19, 1986, prosecutions may no longer proceed under 26 U.S.C. § 5861. This is because the National Firearms Act is part of the Internal Revenue Code, and its provisions — including registration of machineguns possessed after May 19, 1986 — are valid only to the extent they aid in the collection of tax revenue. Since BATF would not register and accept tax payments for any machinegun after May 19, 1986, registration of machineguns made and possessed after that date no longer serves any revenue purpose, and such registration requirements are invalid. Since 18 U.S.C. § 922(o) is interpreted to ban registration and taxation of machineguns under the National Firearms Act, § 922(o) effectively repeals such registration and taxation provisions. Congress has no enumerated power to require registration of firearms. However, since registration of firearms may assist in the collection of revenue, Congress passed the National Firearms Act in 1934 pursuant to its power to tax. Section 922(o) destroys the constitutional basis of registration.

The U.S. Attorney did not appeal that decision, likely afraid it would become precedent for the whole circuit.
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Postby Diopolis » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:51 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Well check this out.
A prosecution for unlawful machine gun possession was granted cert by the Supreme Court--and the Justice Dept. filed a motion applying to vacate the judgment and drop the indictment. (It appears that the defendant challenged the constitutionality of the indictment before this went to trial.) Huh?
The argument that scared DOJ into dropping felony charges is that:

1. Federal authority to regulate machine guns is derived from their authority to tax them.
2. Since 1986, it is has been unlawful to make them for private ownership.
3. If they will not collect that tax, do they have authority to regulate their possession?

Apparently this is a side effect of ACA which required you to pay a tax for not being insured. The penalty was reduced to 0 recently by Congress, so the individual mandate no longer has any basis, because it was derived from Congressional taxing authority. It appears that DOJ has figured what that my friend Stephen Halbrook argued in U.S. v. Rock Island Armory (C.D. Ill. 1991) could sink machine gun regulation, very quickly:

As applied to machineguns alleged to be possessed after May 19, 1986, prosecutions may no longer proceed under 26 U.S.C. § 5861. This is because the National Firearms Act is part of the Internal Revenue Code, and its provisions — including registration of machineguns possessed after May 19, 1986 — are valid only to the extent they aid in the collection of tax revenue. Since BATF would not register and accept tax payments for any machinegun after May 19, 1986, registration of machineguns made and possessed after that date no longer serves any revenue purpose, and such registration requirements are invalid. Since 18 U.S.C. § 922(o) is interpreted to ban registration and taxation of machineguns under the National Firearms Act, § 922(o) effectively repeals such registration and taxation provisions. Congress has no enumerated power to require registration of firearms. However, since registration of firearms may assist in the collection of revenue, Congress passed the National Firearms Act in 1934 pursuant to its power to tax. Section 922(o) destroys the constitutional basis of registration.

The U.S. Attorney did not appeal that decision, likely afraid it would become precedent for the whole circuit.

Here's to hoping Machine guns wind up legalized in some capacity over all this.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:09 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:Well check this out.
A prosecution for unlawful machine gun possession was granted cert by the Supreme Court--and the Justice Dept. filed a motion applying to vacate the judgment and drop the indictment. (It appears that the defendant challenged the constitutionality of the indictment before this went to trial.) Huh?
The argument that scared DOJ into dropping felony charges is that:

1. Federal authority to regulate machine guns is derived from their authority to tax them.
2. Since 1986, it is has been unlawful to make them for private ownership.
3. If they will not collect that tax, do they have authority to regulate their possession?

Apparently this is a side effect of ACA which required you to pay a tax for not being insured. The penalty was reduced to 0 recently by Congress, so the individual mandate no longer has any basis, because it was derived from Congressional taxing authority. It appears that DOJ has figured what that my friend Stephen Halbrook argued in U.S. v. Rock Island Armory (C.D. Ill. 1991) could sink machine gun regulation, very quickly:

As applied to machineguns alleged to be possessed after May 19, 1986, prosecutions may no longer proceed under 26 U.S.C. § 5861. This is because the National Firearms Act is part of the Internal Revenue Code, and its provisions — including registration of machineguns possessed after May 19, 1986 — are valid only to the extent they aid in the collection of tax revenue. Since BATF would not register and accept tax payments for any machinegun after May 19, 1986, registration of machineguns made and possessed after that date no longer serves any revenue purpose, and such registration requirements are invalid. Since 18 U.S.C. § 922(o) is interpreted to ban registration and taxation of machineguns under the National Firearms Act, § 922(o) effectively repeals such registration and taxation provisions. Congress has no enumerated power to require registration of firearms. However, since registration of firearms may assist in the collection of revenue, Congress passed the National Firearms Act in 1934 pursuant to its power to tax. Section 922(o) destroys the constitutional basis of registration.

The U.S. Attorney did not appeal that decision, likely afraid it would become precedent for the whole circuit.

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:51 pm


Let's hope so.
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The Chuck wrote:
^ this man gets it :P

Some people say you should keep your yard landscaped so that you can see any intruders trying to break in.

I think it would be more effective if you let the grass grow chest high and blast "Fortunate Son" at maximum volume...

And boobytrap the grass. Better yet, turn your yard into a thick forest, and learn it like the back of your hand. They won't know what hit them.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:27 pm

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Here's to hoping Machine guns wind up legalized in some capacity over all this.

Let's hope so.
The Two Jerseys wrote:Some people say you should keep your yard landscaped so that you can see any intruders trying to break in.

I think it would be more effective if you let the grass grow chest high and blast "Fortunate Son" at maximum volume...

And boobytrap the grass. Better yet, turn your yard into a thick forest, and learn it like the back of your hand. They won't know what hit them.


Place tannerite traps where you think you might need them (especially to cover those areas an intruder might find cover). Then bang away.

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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:31 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Your disdain for human rights is common knowledge, you don't need to shout at the sky any time people somewhere enjoy some freedom.

Have you considered actually engaging with the points people make?

Ors Might wrote:I mean, sure, if you want to argue that firearms won’t ever be used in a revolution, you can go ahead and do that. It’s a really weird argument that relies upon the baseless assumption that the factors that lead to revolution cannot and will not be replicated in modern society but you can make it.

Not my argument. Rather, that based on the track record of gun owners, they’re not going to raise up and defend any of the other rights. They’ve all been violated.
What do we hear from the firearms crowd? Crickets.

Rojava Free State wrote:
That just means we have to be more vocal. Not that we should take guns away. People need to know their rights. They need to be ready to fight for them.

No, it means you need a rationale for your guns that’s based in reality.


No one needs to rationalize the exercise of a right. The onus for rationalization lies with those who would restrict those rights.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:36 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Kowani wrote:Have you considered actually engaging with the points people make?


Not my argument. Rather, that based on the track record of gun owners, they’re not going to raise up and defend any of the other rights. They’ve all been violated.
What do we hear from the firearms crowd? Crickets.


No, it means you need a rationale for your guns that’s based in reality.


No one needs to rationalize the exercise of a right. The onus for rationalization lies with those who would restrict those rights.


The rationalisation seems to be "the right exists so the people can defend themselves and others against oppression and evil; but in practice the people do not use it that way and do harm"

Seems to be. It is not mine *strokes his extensive collection of sharp and pointy things*
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Postby Telconi » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:18 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
No one needs to rationalize the exercise of a right. The onus for rationalization lies with those who would restrict those rights.


The rationalisation seems to be "the right exists so the people can defend themselves and others against oppression and evil; but in practice the people do not use it that way and do harm"

Seems to be. It is not mine *strokes his extensive collection of sharp and pointy things*


The capacity to do something isn't predicated on such a use. The fact that my tractor sees literally no use except as what is functionally a toy doesn't make it unable to be used for farming. Likewise the fact that my target pistol sees no use except as a target pistol doesn't invalidate the possibility that I could use it to defend valuable liberties.
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-Bigotry In All Forms
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-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:45 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
ANFO under the floor boards. They can't make it up the steps to my Roof Korean perch if there are no steps... and no half of the house.

And when all else fails, extract yourself with a Fulton Skyhook and call in Puff the Magic Dragon to level the house.

To be honest, you could probably do a skyhook and a spooky with the same plane.

Better yet: Double-spooky.
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Due to population-cuts, military-size currently being revised

The People's Republic of Hurtful Thoughts is a gargantuan, environmentally stunning nation, ruled by Leader with an even hand, and renowned for its compulsory military service, multi-spousal wedding ceremonies, and smutty television.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:34 am

Telconi wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
I wonder if the cali ag is having his Commodus breakdown moment. Maybe cali will get lucky and the POS will rage quit.


BRB, ordering ammo...


Aaaaaaand it's gone.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:14 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Let's hope so.
And boobytrap the grass. Better yet, turn your yard into a thick forest, and learn it like the back of your hand. They won't know what hit them.


Place tannerite traps where you think you might need them (especially to cover those areas an intruder might find cover). Then bang away.

That sounds like an effective strategy.
Telconi wrote:
Telconi wrote:
BRB, ordering ammo...


Aaaaaaand it's gone.

This darned ammo shortage.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:21 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Place tannerite traps where you think you might need them (especially to cover those areas an intruder might find cover). Then bang away.

That sounds like an effective strategy.


Safe until you need it, plus no detcord or wires to be disconnected.

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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Telconi » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:28 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Place tannerite traps where you think you might need them (especially to cover those areas an intruder might find cover). Then bang away.

That sounds like an effective strategy.
Telconi wrote:
Aaaaaaand it's gone.

This darned ammo shortage.


Not the ammo shortage, the 9th circuit overturned the injunction. Because apparently Xavier Becerra would suffer irreparable damage if people in his state enjoyed human rights.
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ANTI:
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-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Capitalist Paradise

Postby The Chuck » Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:44 pm

Celritannia, speak of the devil! Yesterday you mentioned the EM-2 and now I have this for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-vx9a7MnQQ
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