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Ban modern sporting rifles
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15%
Pistol braces should be outlawed and current restrictions on SBRs remain in place
86
11%
Pistol braces should be outlawed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
30
4%
Pistol braces should be allowed and current restrictions on SBRs should remain
102
13%
Pistol braces should be allowed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
454
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The Emerald Legion
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:23 am

Cantelo wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Possible, but we can't know how the Union would have reacted to a more diplomatic and less jingoistic Confederacy.


Lincoln wanted to keep the Union together at all costs. That should tell you the approach that the United States had towards the insurrection. All that the attack on Fort Sumter did was tell Lincoln he needed to haul ass on a response to the rebellion.


And Trump wants to build a wall at all costs. Do you honestly think he'd be able to start the most bloody war in US history to accomplish it if that war wasn't already started for him?

Lincoln, like any president, had limits on his power.
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Cantelo
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Postby Cantelo » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:27 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Cantelo wrote:
Lincoln wanted to keep the Union together at all costs. That should tell you the approach that the United States had towards the insurrection. All that the attack on Fort Sumter did was tell Lincoln he needed to haul ass on a response to the rebellion.


And Trump wants to build a wall at all costs. Do you honestly think he'd be able to start the most bloody war in US history to accomplish it if that war wasn't already started for him?

Lincoln, like any president, had limits on his power.


Dude, how are you comparing a wall to the secession of all the southern states? One is objectively more dire and consequential than the other.
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The Emerald Legion
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:30 am

Cantelo wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
And Trump wants to build a wall at all costs. Do you honestly think he'd be able to start the most bloody war in US history to accomplish it if that war wasn't already started for him?

Lincoln, like any president, had limits on his power.


Dude, how are you comparing a wall to the secession of all the southern states? One is objectively more dire and consequential than the other.


Not really. No.
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Cantelo
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Postby Cantelo » Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:31 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Cantelo wrote:
Dude, how are you comparing a wall to the secession of all the southern states? One is objectively more dire and consequential than the other.


Not really. No.


Yes. Yes it is.
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Telconi
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Ex-Nation

Postby Telconi » Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:02 pm

Cantelo wrote:
Aclion wrote:Image


Le epic movie reference, absolutely DESTROYED my argument 8) 8) 8)


Texas v. White is a stupid decision. After all if the states had never actually seceded, then that means the U.S. government used the army to commit literally millions of extra-judicial executions, kidnappings, thefts, and arsons.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:18 pm

Whoa, shits getting real at a sanders rally. Black guy who likes most of sanders ideas, just isn't keen on his stance on the 2nd Amendment, wears a Black Guns Matter t-shirt, gets called a racist and tackled.
Brawl erupts at Sanders rally in Colorado over 'Black Guns Matter' T-shirt
The man wearing the shirt, who is black, told CBS Denver that he was recording the Sanders rally when the other man came up to him and called him a “racist.”

“He had a problem with the shirt I was wearing,” the man, who did not identify himself to the channel, said. “I was recording the event, he walks up and calls me a racist. But I thought, ‘What’s he know about black lives, about discrimination, or, for that matter, the representation of the shirt.'”


VIDEO: Fight Breaks Out At Bernie Sanders Rally In Colorado
It allegedly shows Tyler, in a jeans jackets, and another man arguing about the man’s shirt. That man with the “Black Guns Matter” shirt also contacted CBS4, although anonymously. He called Tyler the aggressor and said he is African American.

“He had a problem with the shirt I was wearing,” this man said. “I was recording the event, he walks up and calls me a racist. But I thought, ‘What’s he know about black lives, about discrimination, or, for that matter, the representation of the shirt.'”

Throughout American history, the man continued, “Black people and their ability to own firearms has historically been very restricted. The shirt I got from a conceal-carry class.”

He said he agrees with Sanders on a number of policies but definitely not on gun ownership.

“I think it’s really a sad thing at a Bernie rally, when someone has a difference of opinion, that someone would be treated like that. I thought it really would be a lot more inclusive than that. It’s not a safe place to express differences. I would expect that sort of thing at a Trump rally.”

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Aclion
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Postby Aclion » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:13 pm

Telconi wrote:
Cantelo wrote:
Le epic movie reference, absolutely DESTROYED my argument 8) 8) 8)


Texas v. White is a stupid decision. After all if the states had never actually seceded, then that means the U.S. government used the army to commit literally millions of extra-judicial executions, kidnappings, thefts, and arsons.

Not to mention the argument that "the constitution says the US is 'a more perfect union' and a perfect union is perpetual, therefore the union it is perpetual and you can't secede" is fucking retarded for several reasons.
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The Chuck
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby The Chuck » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:23 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:-snip-


Fucking hell, good on the African-American man for sticking to his metaphorical guns though. Wear that shirt with pride and express your rights with pride.

White guy calls African-American guy racist because African-American guy wants his due rights to protect himself from violent people like the person calling him racist. Go fucking figure.
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Imperial Joseon
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:27 pm

I say take away the guns, but I'm afraid illegal gun sharing might spread, but taking away the guns seems to be the best approach.
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Postby Germanic Templars » Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:37 pm

No one needs 30-round semi-auto rifles! We need 100+-round belt-fed full-auto machineguns dammit!

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Postby Imperial Joseon » Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:42 pm

Germanic Templars wrote:No one needs 30-round semi-auto rifles! We need 100+-round belt-fed full-auto machineguns dammit!


:lol2:
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Postby Germanic Templars » Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:51 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:No one needs 30-round semi-auto rifles! We need 100+-round belt-fed full-auto machineguns dammit!


:lol2:


Truth be told I am being serious, I mean, I really want a belt-fed mg and not the pre-May 86 stamps that cost $20,000 or so to buy because supply-and-demand is a thing that fucks me over in buying me one...

This brings me to the point of Hughes Amendment needs to be scrapped. After all, no militia made of the common man is complete without an MG crew to provide support.

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Postby Aclion » Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:59 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:I say take away the guns, but I'm afraid illegal gun sharing might spread, but taking away the guns seems to be the best approach.

Good luck.
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:03 pm

The whole premise of gun control is to tip the balance of terror into criminal populations that vote for gun control proponents, and away from the law-abiding bourgeois populations that don't.
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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:08 pm

Germanic Templars wrote:
Imperial Joseon wrote:
:lol2:


Truth be told I am being serious, I mean, I really want a belt-fed mg and not the pre-May 86 stamps that cost $20,000 or so to buy because supply-and-demand is a thing that fucks me over in buying me one...

This brings me to the point of Hughes Amendment needs to be scrapped. After all, no militia made of the common man is complete without an MG crew to provide support.

I mean, depending on the kind of machine gun, you might be able to find one for somewhere in the mid to high four figures.
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Postby Germanic Templars » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:10 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:
Truth be told I am being serious, I mean, I really want a belt-fed mg and not the pre-May 86 stamps that cost $20,000 or so to buy because supply-and-demand is a thing that fucks me over in buying me one...

This brings me to the point of Hughes Amendment needs to be scrapped. After all, no militia made of the common man is complete without an MG crew to provide support.

I mean, depending on the kind of machine gun, you might be able to find one for somewhere in the mid to high four figures.

Yeah, but that is with SMGs like those shitty MAC-11s or Uzis. I don't want those, I want an M60!
I mean, again those are the prices I have seen since I last search. :unsure:

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Postby Imperial Joseon » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:18 pm

Germanic Templars wrote:
Imperial Joseon wrote:
:lol2:


Truth be told I am being serious, I mean, I really want a belt-fed mg and not the pre-May 86 stamps that cost $20,000 or so to buy because supply-and-demand is a thing that fucks me over in buying me one...

This brings me to the point of Hughes Amendment needs to be scrapped. After all, no militia made of the common man is complete without an MG crew to provide support.


Sorry, thought you were joking there. I get your point now.
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Diopolis
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Postby Diopolis » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:20 pm

Germanic Templars wrote:
Diopolis wrote:I mean, depending on the kind of machine gun, you might be able to find one for somewhere in the mid to high four figures.

Yeah, but that is with SMGs like those shitty MAC-11s or Uzis. I don't want those, I want an M60!
I mean, again those are the prices I have seen since I last search. :unsure:

Ok, fair.
Get your class three dealer's license and convince a small town sheriff to claim he's thinking about buying an M60 from you so you can keep one in inventory?
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Postby Kernen » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:22 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:Yeah, but that is with SMGs like those shitty MAC-11s or Uzis. I don't want those, I want an M60!
I mean, again those are the prices I have seen since I last search. :unsure:

Ok, fair.
Get your class three dealer's license and convince a small town sheriff to claim he's thinking about buying an M60 from you so you can keep one in inventory?


Those licenses are entirely too much trouble to be worth bothering with.
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The Chuck
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Postby The Chuck » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:24 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:Yeah, but that is with SMGs like those shitty MAC-11s or Uzis. I don't want those, I want an M60!
I mean, again those are the prices I have seen since I last search. :unsure:

Ok, fair.
Get your class three dealer's license and convince a small town sheriff to claim he's thinking about buying an M60 from you so you can keep one in inventory?


Alright Schwarzenegger 8)
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Postby Germanic Templars » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:25 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Germanic Templars wrote:Yeah, but that is with SMGs like those shitty MAC-11s or Uzis. I don't want those, I want an M60!
I mean, again those are the prices I have seen since I last search. :unsure:

Ok, fair.
Get your class three dealer's license and convince a small town sheriff to claim he's thinking about buying an M60 from you so you can keep one in inventory?

Kernen wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Ok, fair.
Get your class three dealer's license and convince a small town sheriff to claim he's thinking about buying an M60 from you so you can keep one in inventory?


Those licenses are entirely too much trouble to be worth bothering with.

I have to agree with Kernen here on that one. Fuck having to pay yearly(?) just to "own" an MG.

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Postby Imperial Joseon » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:25 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Ok, fair.
Get your class three dealer's license and convince a small town sheriff to claim he's thinking about buying an M60 from you so you can keep one in inventory?


Alright Schwarzenegger 8)


I bet Schwarz doesn't need a gun to counter gun attacks. :lol:
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Postby Germanic Templars » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:26 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
Alright Schwarzenegger 8)


I bet Schwarz doesn't need a gun to counter gun attacks. :lol:


Of course not, he has a tank.
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:27 pm

Germanic Templars wrote:
Imperial Joseon wrote:
I bet Schwarz doesn't need a gun to counter gun attacks. :lol:


Of course not, he has a tank.


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Postby Diopolis » Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:29 pm

Germanic Templars wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Ok, fair.
Get your class three dealer's license and convince a small town sheriff to claim he's thinking about buying an M60 from you so you can keep one in inventory?

Kernen wrote:
Those licenses are entirely too much trouble to be worth bothering with.

I have to agree with Kernen here on that one. Fuck having to pay yearly(?) just to "own" an MG.

Oh, it's entirely not worth it unless you happen to own a gun range and want one in your rental case.
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