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Ban modern sporting rifles
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Pistol braces should be outlawed and current restrictions on SBRs remain in place
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Pistol braces should be outlawed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
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Pistol braces should be allowed and current restrictions on SBRs should remain
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Pistol braces should be allowed but current restrictions on SBRs should be removed
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Postby The of Korea » Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:50 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:So Maryland Republicans want to make it a felony to steal a gun.

Reporter: "Do you think that stealing a gun should be a felony?"

Democrat Committee Chairman: "In the terms of selling a gun, we already have some very stiff penalties, obviously they're not being enforced, so I think we need to look toward the enforcement..."

Translation: "I don't want to reduce the Democrat voting base by making more black people convicted felons."

or in other words, the republicans want to reduce the amount of minorities voting by making more people convicted felons who cannot vote (and disproportionately this is minorities due to socioeconomic factors). You see how this can be turned around?

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Postby Satuga » Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:06 am

The of Korea wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:So Maryland Republicans want to make it a felony to steal a gun.

Reporter: "Do you think that stealing a gun should be a felony?"

Democrat Committee Chairman: "In the terms of selling a gun, we already have some very stiff penalties, obviously they're not being enforced, so I think we need to look toward the enforcement..."

Translation: "I don't want to reduce the Democrat voting base by making more black people convicted felons."

or in other words, the republicans want to reduce the amount of minorities voting by making more people convicted felons who cannot vote (and disproportionately this is minorities due to socioeconomic factors). You see how this can be turned around?

You are stealing a firearm, this is illegal, there are two things you are likely going to do with this stolen gun, either sell it to someone, or use it to commit another crime. Both can still cause the death of someone via that gun. Guns are not things to be taken lightly especially when its stolen.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:36 am

Dogmeat wrote:
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The thing that protects you from the government is always a gun.

I mean, in the last 300 years in the US, it's been guns what? Like a couple of times?

And then just like a whole bunch of litigation and protests.


I mean. I would say it's daily. The proliferation of firearms in the US 100% changes how the government approaches certain issues.
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Postby Page » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:01 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:I mean, in the last 300 years in the US, it's been guns what? Like a couple of times?

And then just like a whole bunch of litigation and protests.


I mean. I would say it's daily. The proliferation of firearms in the US 100% changes how the government approaches certain issues.


Sometimes it changes for the worse. Fred Hampton led an armed movement and the government responded by murdering him.
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Postby The of Korea » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:03 am

Page wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
I mean. I would say it's daily. The proliferation of firearms in the US 100% changes how the government approaches certain issues.


Sometimes it changes for the worse. Fred Hampton led an armed movement and the government responded by murdering him.

indeed, we should never forget the lengths the state goes to attack those it deems "dangerous" to the status quo.

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Postby Nazeroth » Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:18 pm

the whole point of having a well armed population is that the government has to stop and think " man, if we go to far maybe like...they will kill us..."

pretty much the whole purpose of the 2nd amendment, to make a government at the very least, think twice before it tries to fuck the population.
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:59 pm

The of Korea wrote:or in other words, the republicans want to reduce the amount of minorities voting by making more people convicted felons who cannot vote (and disproportionately this is minorities

true
The of Korea wrote: due to socioeconomic factors)

untrue--at least in the way you think it is
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Postby Christian Confederation » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:02 pm

Nazeroth wrote:the whole point of having a well armed population is that the government has to stop and think " man, if we go to far maybe like...they will kill us..."

pretty much the whole purpose of the 2nd amendment, to make a government at the very least, think twice before it tries to fuck the population.

True but it's kinda hard to overthrow the government of they send a drone after the rebels lol
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:03 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:the whole point of having a well armed population is that the government has to stop and think " man, if we go to far maybe like...they will kill us..."

pretty much the whole purpose of the 2nd amendment, to make a government at the very least, think twice before it tries to fuck the population.

True but it's kinda hard to overthrow the government of they send a drone after the rebels lol

A drone is going to stand at a street corner and examine everyone's ID to see if they're a rebel or not?

Or is a Drone just going to fly around blowing up houses at random hoping one of the people inside are rebels?

Anyone got the "Tanks planes and drones" copypasta to prove how utterly stupid the view that drones will just blow up everyone who looks like a rebel and the US automatically wins?

If Drones automatically win, why hasn't the US won in Afghanistan despite the drones at this point pretty much having a rules of engagement that is open season on anyone who looks like Taliban?
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Postby Nazeroth » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:04 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:the whole point of having a well armed population is that the government has to stop and think " man, if we go to far maybe like...they will kill us..."

pretty much the whole purpose of the 2nd amendment, to make a government at the very least, think twice before it tries to fuck the population.

True but it's kinda hard to overthrow the government of they send a drone after the rebels lol


idk about that

look at afghanistan and instead of being an american picture yourself as a local afghan soldier and tell me how "safe" you would feel going after the Taliban.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:04 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:the whole point of having a well armed population is that the government has to stop and think " man, if we go to far maybe like...they will kill us..."

pretty much the whole purpose of the 2nd amendment, to make a government at the very least, think twice before it tries to fuck the population.

True but it's kinda hard to overthrow the government of they send a drone after the rebels lol


Why?
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Postby Kargintina the Third » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:06 pm

Christian Confederation wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:the whole point of having a well armed population is that the government has to stop and think " man, if we go to far maybe like...they will kill us..."

pretty much the whole purpose of the 2nd amendment, to make a government at the very least, think twice before it tries to fuck the population.

True but it's kinda hard to overthrow the government of they send a drone after the rebels lol

One guy at the rally had M92 Barrett. That would rip right through a drone
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Postby The Chuck » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:06 pm

Telconi wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:True but it's kinda hard to overthrow the government of they send a drone after the rebels lol


Why?


Telconi, would you mind helping me drill these third holes on these lowers so we can make beta mag fed knock off M45 mounts? /s

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Postby Nazeroth » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:06 pm

Kargintina the Third wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:True but it's kinda hard to overthrow the government of they send a drone after the rebels lol

One guy at the rally had M92 Barrett. That would rip right through a drone


yeah but super unlikley, that weapon isn't made for anti-air work and would be extremley, extremley difficult to hit a moving flying target at distance.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:07 pm

Kargintina the Third wrote:
Christian Confederation wrote:True but it's kinda hard to overthrow the government of they send a drone after the rebels lol

One guy at the rally had M92 Barrett. That would rip right through a drone

I would like to see somebody shoot down a drone with a Barrett. Unironically.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:27 pm

The Chuck wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Why?


Telconi, would you mind helping me drill these third holes on these lowers so we can make beta mag fed knock off M45 mounts? /s

:P


Well I just Inherited a 3,000 square foot shop, it's set up for auto work, but it works dandy for gun work too.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:43 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
Telconi, would you mind helping me drill these third holes on these lowers so we can make beta mag fed knock off M45 mounts? /s

:P


Well I just Inherited a 3,000 square foot shop, it's set up for auto work, but it works dandy for gun work too.

You inherited AK-guy's AK-factory via FPS Russia?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:55 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well I just Inherited a 3,000 square foot shop, it's set up for auto work, but it works dandy for gun work too.

You inherited AK-guy's AK-factory via FPS Russia?


Lol, I wish.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:28 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Kargintina the Third wrote:One guy at the rally had M92 Barrett. That would rip right through a drone


yeah but super unlikley, that weapon isn't made for anti-air work and would be extremley, extremley difficult to hit a moving flying target at distance.

Fiiiine, we'll just build a M2 or several in the garage...
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Postby The Chuck » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:30 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
yeah but super unlikley, that weapon isn't made for anti-air work and would be extremley, extremley difficult to hit a moving flying target at distance.

Fiiiine, we'll just build a M2 or several in the garage...


What the fuck TTJ? I thought you and I were going to go "borrow" one of the Iowa Battleships. Just use VT fuze equipped 5 inch shells against those pesky drones... :D
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:36 pm

The Chuck wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Fiiiine, we'll just build a M2 or several in the garage...


What the fuck TTJ? I thought you and I were going to go "borrow" one of the Iowa Battleships. Just use VT fuze equipped 5 inch shells against those pesky drones... :D

We're going to have to restore the original AA battery, I want those drones completely vaporized.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:55 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
What the fuck TTJ? I thought you and I were going to go "borrow" one of the Iowa Battleships. Just use VT fuze equipped 5 inch shells against those pesky drones... :D

We're going to have to restore the original AA battery, I want those drones completely vaporized.

The only way to completely vaporize a drone is to nuke it but I don't want collateral damage just save me a spot on the crew.
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Postby Christian Confederation » Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:47 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
What the fuck TTJ? I thought you and I were going to go "borrow" one of the Iowa Battleships. Just use VT fuze equipped 5 inch shells against those pesky drones... :D

We're going to have to restore the original AA battery, I want those drones completely vaporized.

There are nam vets who can make napalm and tank owners out there so someone with AA wouldn't be to far of a stretch.
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Pray tell, who is this fellow?



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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:01 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:Pray tell, who is this fellow?



Sorry I spelt it wrong. Paden

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