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Postby Aclion » Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:00 am

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Why do you keep hounding on about fairness?


why shouldnt elections be free and fair? Why shouldnt all votes be equal?

Should the EU have proportional voting? What about the UN? Why is one man one vote the only fair way for the US but not those entities?
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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:00 am

Antityranicals wrote:I'm always a fan of decentralization of authority, so I'd be in favor.


This doesn't decentralise authority, though: it just means that the centralised authority is elected in a less fair manner.
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Antityranicals wrote:I'm always a fan of decentralization of authority, so I'd be in favor.


In no way would that be a decentralization of authority.
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Postby MORBY SHIPPERS » Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:20 am

This is just going to be a waste of resources.

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Postby Pacomia » Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:21 am

Aclion wrote:
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why shouldnt elections be free and fair? Why shouldnt all votes be equal?

Should the EU have proportional voting? What about the UN? Why is one man one vote the only fair way for the US but not those entities?

Yeah exactly. But you can’t really have that with an electoral college either. Either way, it requires the dissolution of the college.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:29 pm

MORBY SHIPPERS wrote:This is just going to be a waste of resources.

I am aware. Most often this idea is proposed by people who don’t like that their side keeps losing statewide elections or that rural counties can’t overrule urban ones
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Postby GLORIOUS FALGSC » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:01 pm

The Electoral College is bad as it is. I'd prefer to not have bureaucracy in my state elections.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:43 pm

San Lumen wrote:
MORBY SHIPPERS wrote:This is just going to be a waste of resources.

I am aware. Most often this idea is proposed by people who don’t like that their side keeps losing statewide elections or that rural counties can’t overrule urban ones


People have problems with the current state and propose an improvement. That's generally how this works...
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:14 pm

San Lumen wrote:
MORBY SHIPPERS wrote:This is just going to be a waste of resources.

I am aware. Most often this idea is proposed by people who don’t like that their side keeps losing statewide elections or that rural counties can’t overrule urban ones

You’re starting to sound like a DNC mouthpiece
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Postby Telconi » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:17 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I am aware. Most often this idea is proposed by people who don’t like that their side keeps losing statewide elections or that rural counties can’t overrule urban ones

You’re starting to sound like a DNC mouthpiece


He started that years ago, you're just new I imagine.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:25 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I am aware. Most often this idea is proposed by people who don’t like that their side keeps losing statewide elections or that rural counties can’t overrule urban ones

You’re starting to sound like a DNC mouthpiece

What are you talking about? You think land area should matter more than votes?

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Postby Izandai » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:10 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I am aware. Most often this idea is proposed by people who don’t like that their side keeps losing statewide elections or that rural counties can’t overrule urban ones


People have problems with the current state and propose an improvement. That's generally how this works...

Well, they propose a change that would benefit them, anyway.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:21 pm

Izandai wrote:
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People have problems with the current state and propose an improvement. That's generally how this works...

Well, they propose a change that would benefit them, anyway.

and all this would do is create a unfair rigged system

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Postby Izandai » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:29 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Izandai wrote:Well, they propose a change that would benefit them, anyway.

and all this would do is create a unfair rigged system

Exactly, it would benefit them.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:31 pm

Izandai wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and all this would do is create a unfair rigged system

Exactly, it would benefit them.

apparently some here support it. The idea has even been proposed by some state legislators. Its unlikely it goes anywhere as it would be struck down as unconstitutional. Mississippi does have a state electoral of sorts for Governor. Its being challenged in court as a violation of one man one vote

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Postby Izandai » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Izandai wrote:Exactly, it would benefit them.

apparently some here support it. The idea has even been proposed by some state legislators. Its unlikely it goes anywhere as it would be struck down as unconstitutional. Mississippi does have a state electoral of sorts for Governor. Its being challenged in court as a violation of one man one vote

Really? That's actually kind of exciting. I'm probably being overly optimistic, but maybe that development in Mississippi is the start of something that will lead to the Electoral College being abolished. I can dream, at least.
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Izandai wrote:I try to be a generous fuck. I'm more likely to have sex with someone more than once that way.

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:40 pm

Izandai wrote:
San Lumen wrote:apparently some here support it. The idea has even been proposed by some state legislators. Its unlikely it goes anywhere as it would be struck down as unconstitutional. Mississippi does have a state electoral of sorts for Governor. Its being challenged in court as a violation of one man one vote

Really? That's actually kind of exciting. I'm probably being overly optimistic, but maybe that development in Mississippi is the start of something that will lead to the Electoral College being abolished. I can dream, at least.

I doubt it. The only way the Electoral College will be abolished is via a constitutional amendment

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Postby Izandai » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:41 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Izandai wrote:Really? That's actually kind of exciting. I'm probably being overly optimistic, but maybe that development in Mississippi is the start of something that will lead to the Electoral College being abolished. I can dream, at least.

I doubt it. The only way the Electoral College will be abolished is via a constitutional amendment

Yeah, hence why I'm just dreaming.
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My blind porcupine takes exception to this


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Izandai wrote:I try to be a generous fuck. I'm more likely to have sex with someone more than once that way.

Although for some reason they always act insulted when I try to pay them to communicate how much I value sex.

Ism wrote:We don't dislike what Trump does because he's Trump, we dislike Trump because of what Trump does.

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Telconi wrote:
Lots of people are evil, and most of them are closer to home than ISIS


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Postby San Lumen » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:50 pm

Izandai wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I doubt it. The only way the Electoral College will be abolished is via a constitutional amendment

Yeah, hence why I'm just dreaming.

It was proposed in Wisconsin after Walker lost. It never came to a vote fortunately. It didn’t even get a committee hearing

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