Should there be a State Electoral College?

[Dresderstan]

Yes it is.

No a democracy based on mayority with a constitution is no mob role. That constitution limits the government in protecting the rights of the people.

*of the majority*

[San Lumen]

No a democracy based on mayority with a constitution is no mob role. That constitution limits the government in protecting the rights of the people.

*of the majority*

So would it be fair then if the republican candidate for governor got elected because he got more land area?

[Telconi]

Yes it is.

No a democracy based on mayority with a constitution is no mob role. That constitution limits the government in protecting the rights of the people.

But it doesn't do that, at least, not effecrively.

[Telconi]

*of the majority*

So would it be fair then if the republican candidate for governor got elected because he got more land area?

Was it fair that the Allied airpower supporting Operation Overlord outnumbered the axis defenders 14 to 1?

[San Lumen]

With an electoral college you can with 23% of the population. Source: https://www.npr.org/2016/11/02/50011224 ... 8680973937
How is that a fair system?

Becauase a nation is more than its capital and cities

Statewide officials are elected by everyone whether your in an apartment in the city, a house in the suburbs or a farm or small town in the country. All votes are equal

[San Lumen]

So would it be fair then if the republican candidate for governor got elected because he got more land area?

Was it fair that the Allied airpower supporting Operation Overlord outnumbered the axis defenders 14 to 1?

Don’t threadjack. This isn’t relevant

[Pannerstone]

*of the majority*

So would it be fair then if the republican candidate for governor got elected because he got more land area?

No, it should be based on geography, urban and rural areas should be able to negotiate with eachother on equal footing

[Telconi]

Was it fair that the Allied airpower supporting Operation Overlord outnumbered the axis defenders 14 to 1?

Don’t threadjack. This isn’t relevant

Yes it is, the point is that fairness isn't always a good thing.

[Pannerstone]

Becauase a nation is more than its capital and cities

Statewide officials are elected by everyone whether your in an apartment in the city, a house in the suburbs or a farm or small town in the country. All votes are equal

The demographics are not though, all they have to do is pander to urban issues and ignore rural issues to win, how is that equal?

How are rural areas supposed to have fair representation?

[Holy Tedalonia]

Too bad. That’s how elections work

And that's why we need to change them.

Honestly changing them will only make things worse as our country starts to fight for a power struggle. Thats why Professor Lichtman is playing with fire by trying to push so aggressively with change. One wrong move in court and we could end up with something worse then the status quo.

[Telconi]

And that's why we need to change them.

Honestly changing them will only make things worse as our country starts to fight for a power struggle. Thats why Professor Lichtman is playing with fire by trying to push so aggressively with change. One wrong move in court and we could end up with something worse then the status quo.

I mean, I think the inevitable future of America is political strife, probably resulting in balkanization of the states. We're too fundamentally divided, and without anything to bind us together, those divisions will only further buckle.

[Hammer Britannia]

Knowing you, this is probably just another sham to get the Dems into power by making the big cities the only parts of America that matter.

Either way, no. Fuck that. Popular Vote would be leagues better than this.

[Farnhamia]

Knowing you, this is probably just another sham to get the Dems into power by making the big cities the only parts of America that matter.

Either way, no. Fuck that. Popular Vote would be leagues better than this.

3/4 of the US population lives in or near urban areas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demograph ... on_centers). That's 250,000,000 people as of 2011 (the 2010 census). I daresay that proportion hasn't changed in almost ten years. It is what it is.

[San Lumen]

So would it be fair then if the republican candidate for governor got elected because he got more land area?

No, it should be based on geography, urban and rural areas should be able to negotiate with eachother on equal footing

rural areas votes should therefore count more for statewide office and have more representation than their population allows?

To anyone defending this proposal lets bring this down to a level that maybe everyone will see how unfair it would be be.

Lets create a county we shall call it Lumen County. The county seat and by far largest city is Lumen City home to 60 percent of the population. The other incorporated communities in the county dont even come close to it in population.

Lets have an election for county executive Our victorious candidate wins by getting the most votes in Lumen City by a large margin. They win one other community in the county. The rest of the county voted for their opponent. How would it be fair or democratic for the other person to win?

[Scherzinger]

So this is "I want the elections different" 2.0

no this is more "im a democrat and i lost so lets change it so we win" 2.0

[San Lumen]

Knowing you, this is probably just another sham to get the Dems into power by making the big cities the only parts of America that matter.

Either way, no. Fuck that. Popular Vote would be leagues better than this.

That's not even remotely what I said. It would make rural areas matter more. I think this idea is a terrible one.

[Telconi]

No, it should be based on geography, urban and rural areas should be able to negotiate with eachother on equal footing

rural areas votes should therefore count more for statewide office and have more representation than their population allows?

To anyone defending this proposal lets bring this down to a level that maybe everyone will see how unfair it would be be.

Lets create a county we shall call it Lumen County. The county seat and by far largest city is Lumen City home to 60 percent of the population. The other incorporated communities in the county dont even come close to it in population.

Lets have an election for county executive Our victorious candidate wins by getting the most votes in Lumen City by a large margin. They win one other community in the county. The rest of the county voted for their opponent. How would it be fair or democratic for the other person to win?

You keep thumping on this whole "Fair or Democratic" idea as if it's a salient point.

[Hammer Britannia]

Knowing you, this is probably just another sham to get the Dems into power by making the big cities the only parts of America that matter.

Either way, no. Fuck that. Popular Vote would be leagues better than this.

That's not even remotely what I said. It would make rural areas matter more. I think this idea is a terrible one.

Well, ain't that a backtrack

[San Lumen]

rural areas votes should therefore count more for statewide office and have more representation than their population allows?

To anyone defending this proposal lets bring this down to a level that maybe everyone will see how unfair it would be be.

Lets create a county we shall call it Lumen County. The county seat and by far largest city is Lumen City home to 60 percent of the population. The other incorporated communities in the county dont even come close to it in population.

Lets have an election for county executive Our victorious candidate wins by getting the most votes in Lumen City by a large margin. They win one other community in the county. The rest of the county voted for their opponent. How would it be fair or democratic for the other person to win?

You keep thumping on this whole "Fair or Democratic" idea as if it's a salient point.

that's the point of a democracy. You get the most votes you win. End of story. Goodbye. The end.

[San Lumen]

That's not even remotely what I said. It would make rural areas matter more. I think this idea is a terrible one.

Well, ain't that a backtrack

Its not. Ive been saying the entire time how its a stupid unfair and undemocratic idea

[Telconi]

You keep thumping on this whole "Fair or Democratic" idea as if it's a salient point.

that's the point of a democracy. You get the most votes you win. End of story. Goodbye. The end.

Yes, I'm aware of what a Democracy is, thanks for checking for the fortieth time.

[San Lumen]

that's the point of a democracy. You get the most votes you win. End of story. Goodbye. The end.

Yes, I'm aware of what a Democracy is, thanks for checking for the fortieth time.

You've made it quite clear you want otherwise

[Hammer Britannia]

Yes, I'm aware of what a Democracy is, thanks for checking for the fortieth time.

You've made it quite clear you want otherwise

Weren't you the same guy perfectly fine with the election results in the Oregon thread?

[Telconi]

Yes, I'm aware of what a Democracy is, thanks for checking for the fortieth time.

You've made it quite clear you want otherwise

Yes, I have, because the democracy you champion is repulsive hot garbage.

[Dresderstan]

You keep thumping on this whole "Fair or Democratic" idea as if it's a salient point.

that's the point of a democracy. You get the most votes you win. End of story. Goodbye. The end.

Cool, that doesn't make what you want is a good thing.