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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:55 pm

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To avoid what? GM is well placed to weather strike action, and it has an oversupply of vehicles at the moment, so as long as existing stock is shifted, it has no reason to return until it actually starts affecting product supply.


It's existing stock won't be shifted tho.

or so say The Teamsters


The unionised ones anyway. Plenty of others out there.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:04 pm

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It's existing stock won't be shifted tho.

or so say The Teamsters


The unionised ones anyway. Plenty of others out there.


If BLET is on board there literally aren't
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:34 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:Does anyone know what the gm contract offer and the union demands are?

The main sticking point seems to be over the now closed Warren and Baltimore plants. Union wants them refurbished and retooled, GM doesn't.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:48 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why don't the workers, the largest group in society, simply eat the rich?

Indigestion.

Good one Ethel mermania, I am having a lol attack, :rofl:
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Postby Novus America » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:49 pm

This shows why we need to adopt Nordic style labor relations.
It would have likely prevented this.

Under the Nordic model workers have board representation and the government mediates disputes that cannot be resolved, but it is rare for the government to have to do so because workers and employees generally resolve it before it gets to that point.
The Nordic model uses cooperation over confrontations.
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Postby Cappuccina » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:52 pm

Novus America wrote:This shows why we need to adopt Nordic style labor relations.
It would have likely prevented this.

Under the Nordic model workers have board representation and the government mediates disputes that cannot be resolved, but it is rare for the government to have to do so because workers and employees generally resolve it before it gets to that point.
The Nordic model uses cooperation over confrontations.

That would be nice, but is unlikely to happen in the States....guvmint bad.
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Postby The Grene Knyght » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:59 pm

It's really nice to see the discourse surrounding these actions and other actions, and the growing consciousness of the importance of unions. Particularly among young people. Impressive to see it in the States especially, where people are inundated with such an extreme amount of anti-union propaganda.Really gives me hope for the future.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:02 pm

Novus America wrote:This shows why we need to adopt Nordic style labor relations.
It would have likely prevented this.

Under the Nordic model workers have board representation and the government mediates disputes that cannot be resolved, but it is rare for the government to have to do so because workers and employees generally resolve it before it gets to that point.
The Nordic model uses cooperation over confrontations.

Well they had one until they sold 1.8 billion in GM stock, and forfeited that right.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:12 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Novus America wrote:This shows why we need to adopt Nordic style labor relations.
It would have likely prevented this.

Under the Nordic model workers have board representation and the government mediates disputes that cannot be resolved, but it is rare for the government to have to do so because workers and employees generally resolve it before it gets to that point.
The Nordic model uses cooperation over confrontations.

Well they had one until they sold 1.8 billion in GM stock, and forfeited that right.


The union had stock and sold it?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:15 pm

Telconi wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Well they had one until they sold 1.8 billion in GM stock, and forfeited that right.


The union had stock and sold it?


That was part of the bankruptcy deal, stock and a seat on the board. I was going to talk such smack, that they did and they were still striking anyway..... Then I Googled.


https://www.detroitnews.com/story/busin ... 628359002/

And I dont freaking believe it for the life of me either.
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Postby Novus America » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:17 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Novus America wrote:This shows why we need to adopt Nordic style labor relations.
It would have likely prevented this.

Under the Nordic model workers have board representation and the government mediates disputes that cannot be resolved, but it is rare for the government to have to do so because workers and employees generally resolve it before it gets to that point.
The Nordic model uses cooperation over confrontations.

Well they had one until they sold 1.8 billion in GM stock, and forfeited that right.


Yes well that was really stupid.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:21 pm

Novus America wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Well they had one until they sold 1.8 billion in GM stock, and forfeited that right.


Yes well that was really stupid.


That would be the same union management team your are expecting to head off the strike.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:40 pm

Maybe Americans could start purchasing from nationalities that are better at auto manufacturing?
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:44 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Telconi wrote:
The union had stock and sold it?


That was part of the bankruptcy deal, stock and a seat on the board. I was going to talk such smack, that they did and they were still striking anyway..... Then I Googled.


https://www.detroitnews.com/story/busin ... 628359002/

And I dont freaking believe it for the life of me either.


I need the facepalm emoji...
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Postby Ayytaly » Mon Sep 16, 2019 4:48 pm

Why do I feel that the drone attacks on Arabia oil wells is a response to this?
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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:21 pm

Ayytaly wrote:Why do I feel that the drone attacks on Arabia oil wells is a response to this?

I fail to see the connection

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Postby Andsed » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:27 pm

Ayytaly wrote:Why do I feel that the drone attacks on Arabia oil wells is a response to this?

I am really struggling to see how you came to that conclusion.

And yeah good on the workers .
I do be tired


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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:30 pm

Ayytaly wrote:Why do I feel that the drone attacks on Arabia oil wells is a response to this?


Hmmm? Well this is something Obama once commented on. People like to call the government incompetent and then suggest they would do something like a deflection attempt which shows some level of intelligence and sophistication.

The two events? Coincidence. Attacks are planned in advance and usually kept to a schedule. A strike just happened.....
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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:34 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Maybe Americans could start purchasing from nationalities that are better at auto manufacturing?


That's largely what made GM and Chrysler seek bailouts in 2008.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:34 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ayytaly wrote:Why do I feel that the drone attacks on Arabia oil wells is a response to this?


Hmmm? Well this is something Obama once commented on. People like to call the government incompetent and then suggest they would do something like a deflection attempt which shows some level of intelligence and sophistication.

The two events? Coincidence. Attacks are planned in advance and usually kept to a schedule. A strike just happened.....


The unions management has to prove something to the membership, a couple of them are under indictment, and a couple of GM’s plant closings seems to have pissed off the workers. That GM was the target and the date of the strike were while not written in stone, were guessable

Now whether the Iranians or houthi care about that, i have no idea.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:36 pm

Telconi wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
That was part of the bankruptcy deal, stock and a seat on the board. I was going to talk such smack, that they did and they were still striking anyway..... Then I Googled.


https://www.detroitnews.com/story/busin ... 628359002/

And I dont freaking believe it for the life of me either.


I need the facepalm emoji...


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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:41 pm

Ayytaly wrote:Why do I feel that the drone attacks on Arabia oil wells is a response to this?


Yeah I don't think we're looking at a vast conspiracy here.
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:55 pm

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Galloism wrote:I believe it's written into their union contract they can't do that.

Oh it probably is. But one can always hope. Maybe they'll pull a Washington Redskins and hire a bunch of scabs but try to cover it up.

The contract lapsed 2 days ago so GM might be able to hire strike breakers. Though UAW is notorious for collecting scab lists with name and home address and accidentally to leaking said list to strikers.

You would likely be subjecting yourself and your family to harassment.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:56 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
The Republic of Fore wrote:Oh it probably is. But one can always hope. Maybe they'll pull a Washington Redskins and hire a bunch of scabs but try to cover it up.

The contract lapsed 2 days ago so GM might be able to hire strike breakers. Though UAW is notorious for collecting scab lists with name and home address and accidentally to leaking said list to strikers.

You would likely be subjecting yourself and your family to harassment.


Yeah, scabs can be problematic for everyone. And line crossing is rough, like really rough.

Never had to deal with scabs, but I have had to deal with line crossers.
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