2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

[Ifreann]

Rather begs the question, doesn’t it? Let’s establish first what a “hardcore Clintonite” is and then establish that they are reliably for Warren or in fact for Warren at all.

My bad, Clinton fans don't exist.

Who are they? What, specifically, do they believe?

[South Odreria 2]

My bad, Clinton fans don't exist.

Who are they? What, specifically, do they believe?

They are people that are fans of Hillary Rodham Clinton, the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee and husband of former US President William Jefferson Clinton. Edit: forget I asked I guess.

[The Sherpa Empire]

Who are they? What, specifically, do they believe?

They are people that are fans of Hillary Rodham Clinton, the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee and husband of former US President William Jefferson Clinton. Edit: forget I asked I guess.

Well, what leads you to believe they are supporting Warren?

[Cannot think of a name]

Rather begs the question, doesn’t it? Let’s establish first what a “hardcore Clintonite” is and then establish that they are reliably for Warren or in fact for Warren at all.

My bad, Clinton fans don't exist.

What a weird conclusion to reach from that.

[The Sherpa Empire]

My bad, Clinton fans don't exist.

What a weird conclusion to reach from that.

I think he's trying to peddle some narrative about how Warren is Clinton 2.0, it's the same people supporting her, and if they nominate her then it's repeating the same mistakes as 2016.

Of course, that narrative is not true. Warren and Clinton are different candidates with different track records, different campaigns, and different supporters.

[The Andromeda Archipelago]

Do you guys see any pathway for Harris or worse to take hardcore Clintonites from Warren? Or can she count on them as a reliable part of her coaltion?

Considering that Bill Clinton was known for triangulation in the 1990s, I doubt that anything like a hardcore Clintonite even exists.

[Valrifell]

What a weird conclusion to reach from that.

I think he's trying to peddle some narrative about how Warren is Clinton 2.0, it's the same people supporting her, and if they nominate her then it's repeating the same mistakes as 2016.

Of course, that narrative is not true. Warren and Clinton are different candidates with different track records, different campaigns, and different supporters.

Like I said, SO is operating from a mindset of "how DARE Warren do as good or better than my boi Sanders!"

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Do you guys see any pathway for Harris or worse to take hardcore Clintonites from Warren? Or can she count on them as a reliable part of her coaltion?

Considering that Bill Clinton was known for triangulation in the 1990s, I doubt that anything like a hardcore Clintonite even exists.

Someone can be extremely devoted to triangulation.

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Do you guys see any pathway for Harris or worse to take hardcore Clintonites from Warren? Or can she count on them as a reliable part of her coaltion?

Considering that Bill Clinton was known for triangulation in the 1990s, I doubt that anything like a hardcore Clintonite even exists.

Hardcore Clintonites definitely exist. You can detect them by saying the words ''Bernie Sanders'' in any room and then listening carefully for someone to call his supporters ''misogynist dudebros''

[Ifreann]

Who are they? What, specifically, do they believe?

They are people that are fans of Hillary Rodham Clinton, the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee and husband of former US President William Jefferson Clinton. Edit: forget I asked I guess.

I know who Hillary Clinton is. Who are these people who are her fans? What, specifically, do they believe? We need to know more about them before we can meaningfully answer how some other politician could win their support.

[Gormwood]

Warren gets ‘dramatic shift’ in support from black voters

[Valrifell]

Considering that Bill Clinton was known for triangulation in the 1990s, I doubt that anything like a hardcore Clintonite even exists.

Hardcore Clintonites definitely exist. You can detect them by saying the words ''Bernie Sanders'' in any room and then listening carefully for someone to call his supporters ''misogynist dudebros''

If they exist it should be trivial to show what they believe, who they are, and what it means to court their support. Otherwise they exist as a fun thought experiment to knock Clinton and possibly hide the less clean aspects of the Sanders camp.

[Zurkerx]

Warren gets ‘dramatic shift’ in support from black voters

This will truly help her though I don't see her taking the lead with black voters. However, that dent maybe enough for her to win. As of this time, I peg her to be the nominee of the party.

[Gormwood]

Warren gets ‘dramatic shift’ in support from black voters

This will truly help her though I don't see her taking the lead with black voters. However, that dent maybe enough for her to win. As of this time, I peg her to be the nominee of the party.

It would be amusing if Warren won the nomination and screams of rigged primaries started up.

[Zurkerx]

This will truly help her though I don't see her taking the lead with black voters. However, that dent maybe enough for her to win. As of this time, I peg her to be the nominee of the party.

It would be amusing if Warren won the nomination and screams of rigged primaries started up.

I honestly won't be surprised, especially if it's Trump spreading said fake news. Given the DNC made significant changes that "reportedly" screwed Sanders, the Bernie-or-Bust or others claiming rigged primaries will have a weaker argument, especially Warren is considered a Progressive.

[Cannot think of a name]

Warren gets ‘dramatic shift’ in support from black voters

I'm starting to think she might do this. She gets a good showing in early states, takes the last bit of air out of Biden the same way Clinton and Giuliani and Dean lost momentum in early primaries after being front runners, and with her leading as people's second choice she gets the bump as candidates throw in the towel...she might just pull this shit off. I wonder if they're trying to figure out what to offer Biden to bow out gracefully. Obviously not the Vice Presidency again.

Wait, is that even possible? Is there a term limit on the vice presidency?

[Ifreann]

Warren gets ‘dramatic shift’ in support from black voters

I'm starting to think she might do this. She gets a good showing in early states, takes the last bit of air out of Biden the same way Clinton and Giuliani and Dean lost momentum in early primaries after being front runners, and with her leading as people's second choice she gets the bump as candidates throw in the towel...she might just pull this shit off. I wonder if they're trying to figure out what to offer Biden to bow out gracefully. Obviously not the Vice Presidency again.

Wait, is that even possible? Is there a term limit on the vice presidency?

I don't think so, no.

[Zurkerx]

Warren gets ‘dramatic shift’ in support from black voters

I'm starting to think she might do this. She gets a good showing in early states, takes the last bit of air out of Biden the same way Clinton and Giuliani and Dean lost momentum in early primaries after being front runners, and with her leading as people's second choice she gets the bump as candidates throw in the towel...she might just pull this shit off. I wonder if they're trying to figure out what to offer Biden to bow out gracefully. Obviously not the Vice Presidency again.

Wait, is that even possible? Is there a term limit on the vice presidency?

There are no term limits on a Vice President so he can be selected again to be VP. However, I seriously doubt she would do that given his age, mental health, and the fact she wants someone more ideologically closer to her. Not to mention, adding a younger person on the ticket will help too, like a Buttigieg, Stacey Abrams, Klobuchar, or someone else.

https://www.history.com/news/election-1 ... presidents

[Cannot think of a name]

I'm starting to think she might do this. She gets a good showing in early states, takes the last bit of air out of Biden the same way Clinton and Giuliani and Dean lost momentum in early primaries after being front runners, and with her leading as people's second choice she gets the bump as candidates throw in the towel...she might just pull this shit off. I wonder if they're trying to figure out what to offer Biden to bow out gracefully. Obviously not the Vice Presidency again.

Wait, is that even possible? Is there a term limit on the vice presidency?

There are no term limits on a Vice President so he can be selected again to be VP. However, I seriously doubt she would do that given his age, mental health, and the fact she wants someone more ideologically closer to her. Not to mention, adding a younger person on the ticket will help too, like a Buttigieg, Stacey Abrams, Klobuchar, or someone else.

https://www.history.com/news/election-1 ... presidents

I wonder if Harris is on her list, for that centrist Democrat love. Though I think a lot of the time they're picking their VP to bolster a state that they need, and Harris is from Cali and not even polling as well as that should mean.

Though, it is a bit early to start fantasy drafting her VP when all she's done is pull even with the front runner a little over four months before the first ballot is cast...

[Zurkerx]

There are no term limits on a Vice President so he can be selected again to be VP. However, I seriously doubt she would do that given his age, mental health, and the fact she wants someone more ideologically closer to her. Not to mention, adding a younger person on the ticket will help too, like a Buttigieg, Stacey Abrams, Klobuchar, or someone else.

https://www.history.com/news/election-1 ... presidents

I wonder if Harris is on her list, for that centrist Democrat love. Though I think a lot of the time they're picking their VP to bolster a state that they need, and Harris is from Cali and not even polling as well as that should mean.

Though, it is a bit early to start fantasy drafting her VP when all she's done is pull even with the front runner a little over four months before the first ballot is cast...

Fair as it is still early but I think it's fair we can speculate some potential VP Candidates, regardless of who the nominee is. But I think it's also fair to say I don't see her picking a too moderate person like Biden or Klobuchar (could be wrong on that though). The Democrats will likely pick someone with Rust Belt appeal; that's what it's all about now.

Also, and this is breaking, Bernie Sanders undergoes procedure for artery blockage. While he's relatively healthy, I suspect the likes of Trump and others will use his age to show his "health problems". Regardless, let's hope he gets better.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Sanders cancels all campaign events until further notice and undergoes surgery for chest pain and artery blockage.

[South Odreria 2]

Like I said, SO is operating from a mindset of "how DARE Warren do as good or better than my boi Sanders!"

Ah, the ol' fallback - when you have nothing to add to a discussion, start psychoanalyzing.

Warren gets ‘dramatic shift’ in support from black voters

This will truly help her though I don't see her taking the lead with black voters. However, that dent maybe enough for her to win. As of this time, I peg her to be the nominee of the party.

Yeah she is definitely the frontrunner at this point. The question is, what is the floor for Biden, or is there even one?

[Gormwood]

Also, and this is breaking, Bernie Sanders undergoes procedure for artery blockage. While he's relatively healthy, I suspect the likes of Trump and others will use his age to show his "health problems". Regardless, let's hope he gets better.

While being selectively oblivious to the concealed obesity and deteriorating verbal coordination of their God-Emperor at the same time. So pretty plausible.

[Cannot think of a name]

I wonder if Harris is on her list, for that centrist Democrat love. Though I think a lot of the time they're picking their VP to bolster a state that they need, and Harris is from Cali and not even polling as well as that should mean.

Though, it is a bit early to start fantasy drafting her VP when all she's done is pull even with the front runner a little over four months before the first ballot is cast...

Fair as it is still early but I think it's fair we can speculate some potential VP Candidates, regardless of who the nominee is. But I think it's also fair to say I don't see her picking a too moderate person like Biden or Klobuchar (could be wrong on that though). The Democrats will likely pick someone with Rust Belt appeal; that's what it's all about now.

Also, and this is breaking, Bernie Sanders undergoes procedure for artery blockage. While he's relatively healthy, I suspect the likes of Trump and others will use his age to show his "health problems". Regardless, let's hope he gets better.

That sucks for Sanders. I'm sure he'll be fine.

[Pasong Tirad]

Praying for Bernie's speedy recovery.

Also, on a totally unrelated note, anyone know how someone can donate their living, beating heart? Asking for a friend.