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2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

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Who do you think had the best performance at tonight’s debate?

Bernie
65
62%
Buttigieg
12
11%
Warren
11
10%
Biden
5
5%
Steyer
4
4%
Klobuchar
8
8%
 
Total votes : 105

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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Are measures being taken to protect the surviving few? Do we have preserves for the reasonable Democrats? What about programs to maintain genetic diversity? It won't do us any good if they fall below a sustainable population.

what do you consider a reasonable Democrat


There aren't any AFAIK.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:53 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
San Lumen wrote:what do you consider a reasonable Democrat


Me, obviously, I'm the best Democrat there is.


Not since your early adulthood downward spiral.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:54 pm

Telconi wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Me, obviously, I'm the best Democrat there is.


Not since your early adulthood downward spiral.


Well. That got dark.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:58 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:what do you consider a reasonable Democrat


There aren't any AFAIK.

There must be someone. Even I have some Republicans I consider reasonable

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Postby Tombradyonia » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:59 pm

Telconi wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
If you'd like, you could always shoot Pelosi an email about adding them to the Endangered Species List. Try your hand, see if it works lmfao.


Pelosi's about is likely to preserve reasonable people as Captain Ahab is to preserve endangered whales.


Reasonable people like Donald "beat up that reporter" Trump? Or Donald "it's a total witch hunt, unlike the GOP going after the Clintons for 25 years which was legit" Trump?
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
There aren't any AFAIK.

There must be someone. Even I have some Republicans I consider reasonable


Why must there be?
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:07 pm

Tombradyonia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Pelosi's about is likely to preserve reasonable people as Captain Ahab is to preserve endangered whales.


Reasonable people like Donald "beat up that reporter" Trump? Or Donald "it's a total witch hunt, unlike the GOP going after the Clintons for 25 years which was legit" Trump?


If that's how you feel I can't stop you.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:09 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:There must be someone. Even I have some Republicans I consider reasonable


Why must there be?

Because there was a time when we could work together sand not treat the other side as our inherent enemy and both sides worked together for the better of the country

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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Why must there be?

Because there was a time when we could work together sand not treat the other side as our inherent enemy and both sides worked together for the better of the country


Okay, and?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:10 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Because there was a time when we could work together sand not treat the other side as our inherent enemy and both sides worked together for the better of the country


Okay, and?

Id like to return to that. We've done it in Albany for years.

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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Okay, and?

Id like to return to that. We've done it in Albany for years.


Then maybe stop being the enemy?
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Okay, and?

Id like to return to that. We've done it in Albany for years.

A dictator propping up an otherwise-irrelevant Republican party to cement his personal power?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:17 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Id like to return to that. We've done it in Albany for years.

A dictator propping up an otherwise-irrelevant Republican party to cement his personal power?

Trump will have to leave office eventually. After that who will fill the void he leaves behind in the party?

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Postby South Odreria 2 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:24 pm

San Lumen wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:A dictator propping up an otherwise-irrelevant Republican party to cement his personal power?

Trump will have to leave office eventually. After that who will fill the void he leaves behind in the party?

I was referring to the head executive in Albany, to say let's not return to that.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:27 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Trump will have to leave office eventually. After that who will fill the void he leaves behind in the party?

I was referring to the head executive in Albany, to say let's not return to that.


Its doubtful the state senate flips next year.

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Postby Blargoblarg » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:38 pm

Sanders Unveils Plan to Hike Taxes on Corporations That Pay CEOs 'Hundreds of Times What Their Workers Make'
Sanders's plan would impose a tax increase of 0.5 percent on corporations that pay their CEOs between 50 and 100 times more than their median employees. The penalty would increase progressively for companies with larger CEO-worker pay gaps.

The senator's website outlines the tax penalties under the "Income Inequality Tax Plan," which would apply to private and public corporations with annual revenues of more than $100 million.

Companies that pay CEOs between 50 and 100 times more than their median employees: +0.5 percent
Between 100 and 200 times: +1 percent
Between 200 and 300 times: +2 percent
Between 300 and 400 times: +3 percent
Between 400 and 500 times: +4 percent
More than 500 times: +5 percent
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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:50 pm

Blargoblarg wrote:Sanders Unveils Plan to Hike Taxes on Corporations That Pay CEOs 'Hundreds of Times What Their Workers Make'
Sanders's plan would impose a tax increase of 0.5 percent on corporations that pay their CEOs between 50 and 100 times more than their median employees. The penalty would increase progressively for companies with larger CEO-worker pay gaps.

The senator's website outlines the tax penalties under the "Income Inequality Tax Plan," which would apply to private and public corporations with annual revenues of more than $100 million.

Companies that pay CEOs between 50 and 100 times more than their median employees: +0.5 percent
Between 100 and 200 times: +1 percent
Between 200 and 300 times: +2 percent
Between 300 and 400 times: +3 percent
Between 400 and 500 times: +4 percent
More than 500 times: +5 percent

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Postby Shofercia » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:29 pm

Blargoblarg wrote:Sanders Unveils Plan to Hike Taxes on Corporations That Pay CEOs 'Hundreds of Times What Their Workers Make'
Sanders's plan would impose a tax increase of 0.5 percent on corporations that pay their CEOs between 50 and 100 times more than their median employees. The penalty would increase progressively for companies with larger CEO-worker pay gaps.

The senator's website outlines the tax penalties under the "Income Inequality Tax Plan," which would apply to private and public corporations with annual revenues of more than $100 million.

Companies that pay CEOs between 50 and 100 times more than their median employees: +0.5 percent
Between 100 and 200 times: +1 percent
Between 200 and 300 times: +2 percent
Between 300 and 400 times: +3 percent
Between 400 and 500 times: +4 percent
More than 500 times: +5 percent


A tax policy that makes total sense? I thought those weren't allowed in the Democratic Primaries :P
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:40 am

Why hasn't President Obama officially endorsed Vice President Joe Biden for President, since they are so called close friends? According to the New York Times: Why did President Obama say: Joe you don't have to do this, you really don't have to do this?

I edited my post to include the title of Vice President.

Watch the Video of Joe Biden's comment on it:

https://time.com/5577983/obama-not-endo ... president/

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pr ... ORM=VDRVRV
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:47 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:Why hasn't President Obama officially endorsed Joe Biden for President, since they are so called close friends? According to the New York Times: Why did President Obama say: Joe you don't have to do this, you really don't have to do this?

Watch the Video of Joe Biden's comment on it:

https://time.com/5577983/obama-not-endo ... president/

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pr ... ORM=VDRVRV


President Obama (sidenote: referring to a former politician by their last title is perfectly acceptable, for the unaware) doesn't want to endorse anyone because he's still the figurehead of the DNC. It wouldn't really be a fair fight at that point, he's going to endorse the winner of the primaries regardless.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:58 am

Valrifell wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Why hasn't President Obama officially endorsed Joe Biden for President, since they are so called close friends? According to the New York Times: Why did President Obama say: Joe you don't have to do this, you really don't have to do this?

Watch the Video of Joe Biden's comment on it:

https://time.com/5577983/obama-not-endo ... president/

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=pr ... ORM=VDRVRV


President Obama (sidenote: referring to a former politician by their last title is perfectly acceptable, for the unaware) doesn't want to endorse anyone because he's still the figurehead of the DNC. It wouldn't really be a fair fight at that point, he's going to endorse the winner of the primaries regardless.

Thank you Valrifell for your answer to my question, you are right I should have included his title, I will fix it.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:56 am

Blargoblarg wrote:Sanders Unveils Plan to Hike Taxes on Corporations That Pay CEOs 'Hundreds of Times What Their Workers Make'
Sanders's plan would impose a tax increase of 0.5 percent on corporations that pay their CEOs between 50 and 100 times more than their median employees. The penalty would increase progressively for companies with larger CEO-worker pay gaps.

The senator's website outlines the tax penalties under the "Income Inequality Tax Plan," which would apply to private and public corporations with annual revenues of more than $100 million.

Companies that pay CEOs between 50 and 100 times more than their median employees: +0.5 percent
Between 100 and 200 times: +1 percent
Between 200 and 300 times: +2 percent
Between 300 and 400 times: +3 percent
Between 400 and 500 times: +4 percent
More than 500 times: +5 percent

But sure, it's Warren that Wall Street is really afraid of.

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Postby Galloism » Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:05 am

Blargoblarg wrote:Sanders Unveils Plan to Hike Taxes on Corporations That Pay CEOs 'Hundreds of Times What Their Workers Make'
Sanders's plan would impose a tax increase of 0.5 percent on corporations that pay their CEOs between 50 and 100 times more than their median employees. The penalty would increase progressively for companies with larger CEO-worker pay gaps.

The senator's website outlines the tax penalties under the "Income Inequality Tax Plan," which would apply to private and public corporations with annual revenues of more than $100 million.

Companies that pay CEOs between 50 and 100 times more than their median employees: +0.5 percent
Between 100 and 200 times: +1 percent
Between 200 and 300 times: +2 percent
Between 300 and 400 times: +3 percent
Between 400 and 500 times: +4 percent
More than 500 times: +5 percent

I actually like this.

We better have lots of rules about contractors and stuff though.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:10 am

Ifreann wrote:

But sure, it's Warren that Wall Street is really afraid of.

All the Democrats running for President are leftist in American terms, the main one's Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth warren, that is why we need a capitalist President like President Trump and I am a Proud Conservative Capitalist Republican. I cant never vote for Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden.
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