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Who do you think had the best performance at tonight’s debate?

Bernie
65
62%
Buttigieg
12
11%
Warren
11
10%
Biden
5
5%
Steyer
4
4%
Klobuchar
8
8%
 
Total votes : 105

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Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba
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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:51 am

Kowani wrote:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:lol, I understand that legal immigration is legal immigration and illegal immigration is illegal immigration. '

Apply meet the requirements all nations have and wait your turn in your nations of origin, including in hell hole nations like Cuba, like I did for x numbers of years. Most if not all nations deport illegal immigrants, Mexico, Honduras, Canada, the European Union nations and so on.

My post is related to the thread, because it compares illegal immigration laws in other nations, which Bernie Sanders and all the Democrat candidates for President are against.

That’s not the issue. Blind legalism is a terrible ideology. Or would you have turned refugee Jews into the Nazis, if you were a citizen at the time?

Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and all or most of the Democratic candidates support Medicare, welfare and education benefits for illegal immigrants, support making illegal immigrants legal, support open borders immigration.

The issues are all the issues the Democratic candidates support or don't support, they support open borders illegal immigration, we have the right to talk abut their views on legal and illegal immigration on this thread and compare their views on immigration to other nations.

All political issues are issues on this thread.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:54 am

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:
Kowani wrote:That’s not the issue. Blind legalism is a terrible ideology. Or would you have turned refugee Jews into the Nazis, if you were a citizen at the time?

Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and all or most of the Democratic candidates support Medicare, welfare and education benefits for illegal immigrants, support making illegal immigrants legal, support open borders immigration.

The issues are all the issues the Democratic candidates support or don't support, they support open borders illegal immigration, we have the right to talk abut their views on legal and illegal immigration on this thread and compare their views on immigration to other nations.

All political issues are issues on this thread.

Satan’s balls, mate, how did you miss the point that badly?

And secondly, they don’t want to have open borders-they want it to be a civil offense.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:57 am

Kowani wrote:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and all or most of the Democratic candidates support Medicare, welfare and education benefits for illegal immigrants, support making illegal immigrants legal, support open borders immigration.

The issues are all the issues the Democratic candidates support or don't support, they support open borders illegal immigration, we have the right to talk abut their views on legal and illegal immigration on this thread and compare their views on immigration to other nations.

All political issues are issues on this thread.

Satan’s balls, mate, how did you miss the point that badly?

And secondly, they don’t want to have open borders-they want it to be a civil offense.

lol what an excuse, it should be a criminal offense.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:58 am

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:
Kowani wrote:Satan’s balls, mate, how did you miss the point that badly?

And secondly, they don’t want to have open borders-they want it to be a civil offense.

lol what an excuse, it should be a criminal offense.

Because why?
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:01 am

Galloism wrote:
The Andromeda Archipelago wrote:
Looks like some of The Donald's devotees are trying to divert attention away from his piss-poor Presidency.

The amusing exchange above is proof that the Trump worshippers know that their ship is sinking like a stone.

Donald Trump makes Marianne Williamson look credible.

I had a dream last night where Marianne Williamson beat Donald Trump in a close election.

Shit got weird after that.


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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:04 am

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:
Kowani wrote:That’s not the issue. Blind legalism is a terrible ideology. Or would you have turned refugee Jews into the Nazis, if you were a citizen at the time?

Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and all or most of the Democratic candidates support Medicare, welfare and education benefits for illegal immigrants, support making illegal immigrants legal, support open borders immigration.

The issues are all the issues the Democratic candidates support or don't support, they support open borders illegal immigration, we have the right to talk abut their views on legal and illegal immigration on this thread and compare their views on immigration to other nations.

All political issues are issues on this thread.

You say that like open borders is a bad thing to all of us...

EDIT: I'm not saying that I am - nor am I saying that I'm not - I'm just saying that this point completely falls apart if open borders are no longer considered to be a bad thing.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:09 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and all or most of the Democratic candidates support Medicare, welfare and education benefits for illegal immigrants, support making illegal immigrants legal, support open borders immigration.

The issues are all the issues the Democratic candidates support or don't support, they support open borders illegal immigration, we have the right to talk abut their views on legal and illegal immigration on this thread and compare their views on immigration to other nations.

All political issues are issues on this thread.

You say that like open borders is a bad thing to all of us...

EDIT: I'm not saying that I am - nor am I saying that I'm not - I'm just saying that this point completely falls apart if open borders are no longer considered to be a bad thing.


Open borders aren't ideal, but the GOP is so successful at manufacturing false narratives and faux outrage it's almost impressive. How can anybody who has sat down and done the research look at the state of this country and say "no, no, it's open borders and giving free stuff to immigrants that is ruining us!"

Like, for one, hardly nobody supports those concepts, but it's also such a gimmick that panders to the worst intentions and reactions of people (IE their fear of something being "other.") If someone supports the GOP because they want a less regulated economy and a tough stance on social issues, okay, fine, at least they're logically consistent. But not these people who conflate the GOP as the party of being "tough on borders" or some dumbfuck rhetoric like that.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:14 am

Rep. Chris Collins (R) will resign from his seat and plead guilty to insider-trading charges.

So, that's another seat up for grabs though if recall, it's a decent Republican controlled area anyway.
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Postby Tombradyonia » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:58 am

Kowani wrote:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:lol what an excuse, it should be a criminal offense.

Because why?


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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:17 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and all or most of the Democratic candidates support Medicare, welfare and education benefits for illegal immigrants, support making illegal immigrants legal, support open borders immigration.

The issues are all the issues the Democratic candidates support or don't support, they support open borders illegal immigration, we have the right to talk abut their views on legal and illegal immigration on this thread and compare their views on immigration to other nations.

All political issues are issues on this thread.

You say that like open borders is a bad thing to all of us...

EDIT: I'm not saying that I am - nor am I saying that I'm not - I'm just saying that this point completely falls apart if open borders are no longer considered to be a bad thing.


Yeah, but that's true with everything.
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Postby The of Korea » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:19 pm

Zurkerx wrote:Rep. Chris Collins (R) will resign from his seat and plead guilty to insider-trading charges.

So, that's another seat up for grabs though if recall, it's a decent Republican controlled area anyway.

that may actually give the republicans a better chance there. With Chris Collins it was a pure tossup. Now it could be leaning republican.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:40 pm

The of Korea wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Rep. Chris Collins (R) will resign from his seat and plead guilty to insider-trading charges.

So, that's another seat up for grabs though if recall, it's a decent Republican controlled area anyway.

that may actually give the republicans a better chance there. With Chris Collins it was a pure tossup. Now it could be leaning republican.


R+11 is a tossup?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:53 pm

Zurkerx wrote:Rep. Chris Collins (R) will resign from his seat and plead guilty to insider-trading charges.

So, that's another seat up for grabs though if recall, it's a decent Republican controlled area anyway.

This is the reddest district in New York. The only reason it was so close in 2018 was because of Collins indictment

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in other retirement news Congressman Mac Thornberry the dean of the Texas delegation has announced he will be retiring. The district contains almost all of the Panhandle and is the reddest district in Texas. The fact that he is leaving and is the sixth Texas Republican to announce retirement says they see the state is changing and they dont believe they will regain the majority next year.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:23 pm

Vassenor wrote:
The of Korea wrote:that may actually give the republicans a better chance there. With Chris Collins it was a pure tossup. Now it could be leaning republican.


R+11 is a tossup?


Was, I suppose, Collins won by like 49.2% to 48.9% or something razor thin, iirc.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:24 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
R+11 is a tossup?


Was, I suppose, Collins won by like 49.2% to 48.9% or something razor thin, iirc.

The only reason it was so close was his legal troubles. This is the reddest district in New York.

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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Was, I suppose, Collins won by like 49.2% to 48.9% or something razor thin, iirc.

The only reason it was so close was his legal troubles. This is the reddest district in New York.


I'm aware. It's the suburbs of Buffalo, many of which are blue-collar and known for being some of the most conservative counties in NY. With that said, a certain kind of Democrat could perform well in that district, perhaps one who runs on protecting healthcare, unions & blue-collar jobs, as opposed to a Democrat who makes the race about Trump.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:35 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The only reason it was so close was his legal troubles. This is the reddest district in New York.


I'm aware. It's the suburbs of Buffalo, many of which are blue-collar and known for being some of the most conservative counties in NY. With that said, a certain kind of Democrat could perform well in that district, perhaps one who runs on protecting healthcare, unions & blue-collar jobs, as opposed to a Democrat who makes the race about Trump.


I doubt its a winnable district. Most of it is rural and very red. It does contain some suburbs of Rochester and they are trending blue. Erie County is weird. parts of it are trending blue but others red. Ontario county is lean red. Last year was a unique circumstance.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:39 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The only reason it was so close was his legal troubles. This is the reddest district in New York.


I'm aware. It's the suburbs of Buffalo, many of which are blue-collar and known for being some of the most conservative counties in NY. With that said, a certain kind of Democrat could perform well in that district, perhaps one who runs on protecting healthcare, unions & blue-collar jobs, as opposed to a Democrat who makes the race about Trump.


Do those still exist?
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:40 pm

Telconi wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
I'm aware. It's the suburbs of Buffalo, many of which are blue-collar and known for being some of the most conservative counties in NY. With that said, a certain kind of Democrat could perform well in that district, perhaps one who runs on protecting healthcare, unions & blue-collar jobs, as opposed to a Democrat who makes the race about Trump.


Do those still exist?


Naturally, several of them won in 2018 and in by-elections before then. Generally, they run in swing/blue-collar leaning red districts.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:43 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Do those still exist?


Naturally, several of them won in 2018 and in by-elections before then. Generally, they run in swing/blue-collar leaning red districts.

Yeah but this district is likely too red to flip. Its too rural. Though Ontario County is slowly trending blue as is the part of Monroe county it contains. Erie Country is weird.

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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:47 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Do those still exist?


Naturally, several of them won in 2018 and in by-elections before then. Generally, they run in swing/blue-collar leaning red districts.


Are measures being taken to protect the surviving few? Do we have preserves for the reasonable Democrats? What about programs to maintain genetic diversity? It won't do us any good if they fall below a sustainable population.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:48 pm

Telconi wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Naturally, several of them won in 2018 and in by-elections before then. Generally, they run in swing/blue-collar leaning red districts.


Are measures being taken to protect the surviving few? Do we have preserves for the reasonable Democrats? What about programs to maintain genetic diversity? It won't do us any good if they fall below a sustainable population.


If you'd like, you could always shoot Pelosi an email about adding them to the Endangered Species List. Try your hand, see if it works lmfao.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:50 pm

Telconi wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Naturally, several of them won in 2018 and in by-elections before then. Generally, they run in swing/blue-collar leaning red districts.


Are measures being taken to protect the surviving few? Do we have preserves for the reasonable Democrats? What about programs to maintain genetic diversity? It won't do us any good if they fall below a sustainable population.

what do you consider a reasonable Democrat
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:50 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Are measures being taken to protect the surviving few? Do we have preserves for the reasonable Democrats? What about programs to maintain genetic diversity? It won't do us any good if they fall below a sustainable population.


If you'd like, you could always shoot Pelosi an email about adding them to the Endangered Species List. Try your hand, see if it works lmfao.


Pelosi's about is likely to preserve reasonable people as Captain Ahab is to preserve endangered whales.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:51 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Are measures being taken to protect the surviving few? Do we have preserves for the reasonable Democrats? What about programs to maintain genetic diversity? It won't do us any good if they fall below a sustainable population.

what do you consider a reasonable Democrat


Me, obviously, I'm the best Democrat there is.

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