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2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

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Who do you think had the best performance at tonight’s debate?

Bernie
65
62%
Buttigieg
12
11%
Warren
11
10%
Biden
5
5%
Steyer
4
4%
Klobuchar
8
8%
 
Total votes : 105

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South Odreria 2
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:40 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:Warren's anti-corruption plan apparently... allows corruption?
https://twitter.com/Liz_Wheeler/status/ ... 1453945857,
https://twitter.com/AnnieLinskey/status ... 5515427842
The heat is starting to come - we'll see if she can handle it.

Also, Buttigieg is planning to Delaney harder.


Hmmm? Those two tweets are a rather limp argument.

Why would a child of a politician serving on a foreign board be corruption? Obviously, it should be monitored and no noticable gains would happen in dealings with the US. Kind of like a Elaine Chao’s family who has a business in China. If there is a noticeable improvement it should be of concern. Especially in this case where the husband holds a high position
Oh wait it isn’t being watched....

Point is you are suggesting it’s guaranteed corruption. It’s not. Or, worse? You are offering the insipid argument of it’s not perfect; it shouldn’t be done.

Something has to be done and the discussions and reviews have to start. Politicians would LOVE to wait until efforts were perfect.

Fair point. I admit "allows corruption" was the wrong way to put it, but this was surprising because the plan specifically cites Jared Kushner as someone that would have to divest from businesses they were involved in, and the spirit of the law suggests that this would mean Hunter Biden/Amelia Warren as well, even if they have no "senior advisor" role. But you are of course right that this is a relatively minor quibble. The real issue is, and I should have said this explicitly rather than just trying to subtweet, is that Warren was unable to answer a pretty simple and obvious question about one of her policies, "gotcha" or otherwise. Because anyone who thinks Trump and the Republicans will refrain from gotcha questions in a general is mistaken.

Anyway, Biden and Sanders are tied in Nevada, with Warren close behind. Notably, respondents trust Sanders the most, then Biden, then Warren, on each of five issues asked about. As Nevada is the first racially diverse state to vote, I would say that if Warren can win it, she is very likely to be the nominee.
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Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba
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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:28 pm

I will never vote for leftist Democrat for obvious reasons.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:34 pm

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:I will never vote for leftist Democrat for obvious reasons.

I mean, most people historically haven’t had an option, given there are so few.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:48 pm

Galloism wrote:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:I will never vote for leftist Democrat for obvious reasons.

I mean, most people historically haven’t had an option, given there are so few.

not any more, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and the others and even Joe Biden is not as moderate as he seems.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:50 pm

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:
Galloism wrote:I mean, most people historically haven’t had an option, given there are so few.

not any more, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and the others and even Joe Biden is not as moderate as he seems.

Joe Biden is so moderate it’s painful.
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Postby Ngelmish » Sun Sep 29, 2019 5:50 pm

Telconi wrote:
Ngelmish wrote:
Wait, does this mean...





... that if someone disagrees with you, then they're "extreme?" You really shouldn't project so transparently.


Extremism isn't the same as lying.


Liars don't have much credibility when they accuse other people of lying, either, you do realize.

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Postby Telconi » Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:05 pm

Ngelmish wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Extremism isn't the same as lying.


Liars don't have much credibility when they accuse other people of lying, either, you do realize.


Care to make a relevant post?
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Postby The Sherpa Empire » Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:08 pm

The topic is over thattaway if you guys want to talk about the election.
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Postby The Andromeda Archipelago » Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:07 pm

The Sherpa Empire wrote:The topic is over thattaway if you guys want to talk about the election.


Looks like some of The Donald's devotees are trying to divert attention away from his piss-poor Presidency.

The amusing exchange above is proof that the Trump worshippers know that their ship is sinking like a stone.

Donald Trump makes Marianne Williamson look credible.

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Postby The Sherpa Empire » Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:12 pm

The Andromeda Archipelago wrote:Donald Trump makes Marianne Williamson look credible.


And neither of them can hold a candle to Vermin Supreme.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:05 am

The Sherpa Empire wrote:
The Andromeda Archipelago wrote:Donald Trump makes Marianne Williamson look credible.


And neither of them can hold a candle to Vermin Supreme.


I take it I'm not getting a free pony, am I?
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:12 am

Zurkerx wrote:
The Sherpa Empire wrote:
And neither of them can hold a candle to Vermin Supreme.


I take it I'm not getting a free pony, am I?

You have to fight a bunch of Bronies to get one.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:47 am

The Andromeda Archipelago wrote:
The Sherpa Empire wrote:The topic is over thattaway if you guys want to talk about the election.


Looks like some of The Donald's devotees are trying to divert attention away from his piss-poor Presidency.

The amusing exchange above is proof that the Trump worshippers know that their ship is sinking like a stone.

Donald Trump makes Marianne Williamson look credible.

I had a dream last night where Marianne Williamson beat Donald Trump in a close election.

Shit got weird after that.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:53 am

Gormwood wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
I take it I'm not getting a free pony, am I?

You have to fight a bunch of Bronies to get one.


That would require violating NAP...

I'm down for that! Never really believed in it anyway.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:51 am

Galloism wrote:
The Andromeda Archipelago wrote:
Looks like some of The Donald's devotees are trying to divert attention away from his piss-poor Presidency.

The amusing exchange above is proof that the Trump worshippers know that their ship is sinking like a stone.

Donald Trump makes Marianne Williamson look credible.

I had a dream last night where Marianne Williamson beat Donald Trump in a close election.

Shit got weird after that.

lol good one Galloism, I'm having a lol attack, :rofl:
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:22 am

Galloism wrote:
The Andromeda Archipelago wrote:
Looks like some of The Donald's devotees are trying to divert attention away from his piss-poor Presidency.

The amusing exchange above is proof that the Trump worshippers know that their ship is sinking like a stone.

Donald Trump makes Marianne Williamson look credible.

I had a dream last night where Marianne Williamson beat Donald Trump in a close election.

Shit got weird after that.


I'd be down for some Affordable Crystals Act. The price of healing Crystal's is just way too high for the average American Gallo.
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Postby Page » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:29 am

Telconi wrote:
Galloism wrote:I had a dream last night where Marianne Williamson beat Donald Trump in a close election.

Shit got weird after that.


I'd be down for some Affordable Crystals Act. The price of healing Crystal's is just way too high for the average American Gallo.


Bernie Sanders is the only candidate who would implement single-payer healing crystals.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:30 am

Page wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I'd be down for some Affordable Crystals Act. The price of healing Crystal's is just way too high for the average American Gallo.


Bernie Sanders is the only candidate who would implement single-payer healing crystals.

Medi-Crystals For All.

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Postby The Sherpa Empire » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:34 am

Page wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I'd be down for some Affordable Crystals Act. The price of healing Crystal's is just way too high for the average American Gallo.


Bernie Sanders is the only candidate who would implement single-payer healing crystals.


But is he going to give me a pony?
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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:35 am

Ifreann wrote:
Page wrote:
Bernie Sanders is the only candidate who would implement single-payer healing crystals.

Medi-Crystals For All.

Including illegal immigrants lol, Bernie Sanders is for Medicare, Welfare and Education benefits for all including illegal immigrants, probably for driver's licenses for all illegal immigrants lol.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:36 am

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Medi-Crystals For All.

Including illegal immigrants lol, Bernie Sanders is for Medicare, Welfare and Education benefits for all including illegal immigrants lol, probably for driver's licenses for all illegal immigrants.

Imagine not understanding economics so hard you think that’s a bad thing.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:38 am

Page wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I'd be down for some Affordable Crystals Act. The price of healing Crystal's is just way too high for the average American Gallo.


Bernie Sanders is the only candidate who would implement single-payer healing crystals.


Given the present state of our government. I have a feeling that Bernie would spend his time implementing a lot of badly paced policy speeches for bills that died in the Senate
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:40 am

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Medi-Crystals For All.

Including illegal immigrants lol, Bernie Sanders is for Medicare, Welfare and Education benefits for all including illegal immigrants, probably for driver's licenses for all illegal immigrants lol.

Those all sound like good things to me. Don't know if they're what Bernie wants, but I like them.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:42 am

Kowani wrote:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:Including illegal immigrants lol, Bernie Sanders is for Medicare, Welfare and Education benefits for all including illegal immigrants lol, probably for driver's licenses for all illegal immigrants.

Imagine not understanding economics so hard you think that’s a bad thing.

lol, I understand that legal immigration is legal immigration and illegal immigration is illegal immigration. '

Apply meet the requirements all nations have and wait your turn in your nations of origin, including in hell hole nations like Cuba, like I did for x numbers of years. Most if not all nations deport illegal immigrants, Mexico, Honduras, Canada, the European Union nations and so on.

My post is related to the thread, because it compares illegal immigration laws in other nations, which Bernie Sanders and all the Democrat candidates for President are against.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:44 am

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:
Kowani wrote:Imagine not understanding economics so hard you think that’s a bad thing.

lol, I understand that legal immigration is legal immigration and illegal immigration is illegal immigration. '

Apply meet the requirements all nations have and wait your turn in your nations of origin, including in hell hole nations like Cuba, like I did for x numbers of years. Most if not all nations deport illegal immigrants, Mexico, Honduras, Canada, the European Union nations and so on.

My post is related to the thread, because it compares illegal immigration laws in other nations, which Bernie Sanders and all the Democrat candidates for President are against.

That’s not the issue. Blind legalism is a terrible ideology. Or would you have turned refugee Jews into the Nazis, if you were a citizen at the time?
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