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2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

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Who do you think had the best performance at tonight’s debate?

Bernie
65
62%
Buttigieg
12
11%
Warren
11
10%
Biden
5
5%
Steyer
4
4%
Klobuchar
8
8%
 
Total votes : 105

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:46 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:No, but not mentioning Sanders doesn't mean they would donate to his campaign if he were nominated.

If they don't like Warren I can't imagine they like Sanders much

I'm sure they don't.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Sep 26, 2019 12:59 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Amazes me that some would be even willing to support Trump. Well, we're bound to find out soon who donated to who if Warren becomes the nominee.

seems awfully petty to back Trump because Warren got the nod they might lose a few dollars from their wallets oh how awful. Trump could very well make it so they have no money in their wallets.


How is that? He's made the economy better. Not worse.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:00 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
San Lumen wrote:seems awfully petty to back Trump because Warren got the nod they might lose a few dollars from their wallets oh how awful. Trump could very well make it so they have no money in their wallets.


How is that? He's made the economy better. Not worse.


Tell that to the farmer in Iowa who lost their farm because of the tariffs

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
How is that? He's made the economy better. Not worse.


Tell that to the farmer in Iowa who lost their farm because of the tariffs

We're talking about Wall Street Democratic donors. Trump isn't going to bankrupt them.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
How is that? He's made the economy better. Not worse.


Tell that to the farmer in Iowa who lost their farm because of the tariffs


Pfha. Like Small time farmers matter. We've been destroying their livelihoods for decades.
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Postby Miami Shores » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:17 pm

For the political record, the 2020 Democratic Party national convention will be held from Monday July 13 to Thursday July 16 2020 in Milwaukee Wisconsin, when and where they will choose their 2020 Presidential and Vice Presidential candidate.

For the political record, the 2020 Republican Party national convention will be held from Monday August 24 to Thursday august 27 2020 in Charlotte, North Carolina, where they will ratify President Trump and Vice President Mike Pence as the Republican Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates.

I have lived in Wisconsin, but not in Milwaukee lol.

I know no one cares and that is ok, just saying, once the Democrats have chosen their nominees I will volunteer at my area's Republican campaign headquarters to help out in the office anyway I can, this will be my third time volunteering, the first time I was a poll watcher, the second time, they gave me the job of handing out campaign signs, buttons and flags to those who came by the office to get some.

I am not good at going door to door talking to people.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:23 pm

Miami Shores wrote:For the political record, the 2020 Democratic Party national convention will be held from Monday July 13 to Thursday July 16 2020 in Milwaukee Wisconsin, when and where they will choose their 2020 Presidential and Vice Presidential candidate.

For the political record, the 2020 Republican Party national convention will be held from Monday August 24 to Thursday august 27 2020 in Charlotte, North Carolina, where they will ratify President Trump and Vice President Mike Pence as the Republican Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates.

I have lived in Wisconsin, but not in Milwaukee lol.

I know no one cares and that is ok, just saying, once the Democrats have chosen their nominees I will volunteer at my area's Republican campaign headquarters to help out in the office anyway I can, this will be my third time volunteering, the first time I was a poll watcher, the second time, they gave me the job of handing out campaign signs, buttons and flags to those who came by the office to get some.

I am not good at going door to door talking to people.

Even though we may fundamentally disagree on many things. I commend you for getting involved. I intend to help whoever the Democratic candidate is and every other democrat on the ballot

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:29 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Tell that to the farmer in Iowa who lost their farm because of the tariffs


Pfha. Like Small time farmers matter. We've been destroying their livelihoods for decades.

Well, there goes the talking point about Trump's appeal...
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:29 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Tell that to the farmer in Iowa who lost their farm because of the tariffs


Pfha. Like Small time farmers matter. We've been destroying their livelihoods for decades.

Yet many will still vote republican

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:30 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Pfha. Like Small time farmers matter. We've been destroying their livelihoods for decades.

Well, there goes the talking point about Trump's appeal...


You do realize I'm not Trump right?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:31 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Well, there goes the talking point about Trump's appeal...


You do realize I'm not Trump right?

Not really sure how that's relevant.
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Postby Gormwood » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:35 pm

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:If they don't like Warren I can't imagine they like Sanders much

I'm sure they don't.

But Warren made them explicitly threaten to support Donny with their money.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:37 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I'm sure they don't.

But Warren made them explicitly threaten to support Donny with their money.

Warren is threatening to win currently, Bernie isn't.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:54 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Gormwood wrote:But Warren made them explicitly threaten to support Donny with their money.

Warren is threatening to win currently, Bernie isn't.

Some friends of mine have expressed doubt Warren can win. I think they are underestimating her.

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Postby Gormwood » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:57 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Warren is threatening to win currently, Bernie isn't.

Some friends of mine have expressed doubt Warren can win. I think they are underestimating her.

The Wall Streeters don't have any doubts or this would have been a nonissue.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:22 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I'm sure they don't.

But Warren made them explicitly threaten to support Donny with their money.

Warren getting ahead of Biden in the polls made them talk about refusing to support her or actively thwarting her.

They didn't have anything to say about Marianne Williamson either, you'll note.
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:27 pm

Well, the first big election season scandal is out, it’s that time of the cycle again :lol:
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Postby Telconi » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:35 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Gormwood wrote:But Warren made them explicitly threaten to support Donny with their money.

Warren getting ahead of Biden in the polls made them talk about refusing to support her or actively thwarting her.

They didn't have anything to say about Marianne Williamson either, you'll note.


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Postby Valrifell » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:40 pm

Telconi wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Warren getting ahead of Biden in the polls made them talk about refusing to support her or actively thwarting her.

They didn't have anything to say about Marianne Williamson either, you'll note.


Does anyone?


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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:47 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Gormwood wrote:But Warren made them explicitly threaten to support Donny with their money.

Warren getting ahead of Biden in the polls made them talk about refusing to support her or actively thwarting her.

They didn't have anything to say about Marianne Williamson either, you'll note.

It just goes to show these people only care about their wallet size and the heck with everyone and everything else. They need another Rolls Royce

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Postby South Odreria 2 » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Warren getting ahead of Biden in the polls made them talk about refusing to support her or actively thwarting her.

They didn't have anything to say about Marianne Williamson either, you'll note.

It just goes to show these people only care about their wallet size and the heck with everyone and everything else. They need another Rolls Royce

Another thing it shows is that you can't negotiate with economic terrorists - when Sanders was doing better they told the press that Warren was a more reasonable alternative to him. Now that Warren is leading, she's unimaginable. If she ever falters, they'll probably decide that Beto or Pete or Harris is worse than Trump. Whoever the frontrunner is, they'll push for someone further right to be the nominee.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:57 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:
San Lumen wrote:It just goes to show these people only care about their wallet size and the heck with everyone and everything else. They need another Rolls Royce

Another thing it shows is that you can't negotiate with economic terrorists - when Sanders was doing better they told the press that Warren was a more reasonable alternative to him. Now that Warren is leading, she's unimaginable. If she ever falters, they'll probably decide that Beto or Pete or Harris is worse than Trump.

Economic terrorists?

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Postby Telconi » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:58 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Warren getting ahead of Biden in the polls made them talk about refusing to support her or actively thwarting her.

They didn't have anything to say about Marianne Williamson either, you'll note.

It just goes to show these people only care about their wallet size and the heck with everyone and everything else. They need another Rolls Royce


So bankers and finance folks are bad because they care about their wallet size. But farmers are bad because they don't.

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Postby South Odreria 2 » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:59 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:It just goes to show these people only care about their wallet size and the heck with everyone and everything else. They need another Rolls Royce


So bankers and finance folks are bad because they care about their wallet size. But farmers are bad because they don't.

How does that work?

It's bad because they claim otherwise, but are lying.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:41 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Does anyone?


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Marianne Williamson is the only thing standing between this plane of reality and Shub'Niggurath, the Black Goat of the Woods with One Thousand Young.
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