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Who will surge following the debate?

Bernie
41
34%
Buttigieg
16
13%
Booker
2
2%
Warren
4
3%
Yang
21
18%
Biden
9
8%
Gabbard
16
13%
Steyer
1
1%
Klobuchar
5
4%
Harris
4
3%
 
Total votes : 119

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Postby Gormwood » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:20 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Galloism wrote:Of course Beto shouldn't be in a black site.

But if people had good feelings about their constitutional rights, his numbers should crater and he should bow out in shame. Sadly, that probably won't happen.


Most Americans are in favour of greater gun control, but then a great number care about climate change and so far there's been hardly any airtime at all on the subject.

I would like one candidate to tire of the same old tedious questions asked and go 'ok everyone, I'm going to ignore this question and talk about climate change'.

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Postby Galloism » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:22 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Galloism wrote:Of course Beto shouldn't be in a black site.

But if people had good feelings about their constitutional rights, his numbers should crater and he should bow out in shame. Sadly, that probably won't happen.


Most Americans are in favour of greater gun control, but then a great number care about climate change and so far there's been hardly any airtime at all on the subject.


Notably, what he proposed isn't gun control, any more than banning political speech online is containing extremism.

He proposed rebooting the failed AWB. Bans.

I would like one candidate to tire of the same old tedious questions asked and go 'ok everyone, I'm going to ignore this question and talk about climate change'.

That would be pretty great. Are they allowed to do that?
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Postby Cyrothica » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:25 pm

Galloism wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Most Americans are in favour of greater gun control, but then a great number care about climate change and so far there's been hardly any airtime at all on the subject.


Notably, what he proposed isn't gun control, any more than banning political speech online is containing extremism.

He proposed rebooting the failed AWB. Bans.

I would like one candidate to tire of the same old tedious questions asked and go 'ok everyone, I'm going to ignore this question and talk about climate change'.

That would be pretty great. Are they allowed to do that?

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Postby Kowani » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:26 pm

Galloism wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Most Americans are in favour of greater gun control, but then a great number care about climate change and so far there's been hardly any airtime at all on the subject.


Notably, what he proposed isn't gun control, any more than banning political speech online is containing extremism.

He proposed rebooting the failed AWB. Bans.

I would like one candidate to tire of the same old tedious questions asked and go 'ok everyone, I'm going to ignore this question and talk about climate change'.

That would be pretty great. Are they allowed to do that?

What’re they gonna do, shut off their mike?
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Postby Galloism » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:28 pm

Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:
Notably, what he proposed isn't gun control, any more than banning political speech online is containing extremism.

He proposed rebooting the failed AWB. Bans.


That would be pretty great. Are they allowed to do that?

What’re they gonna do, shut off their mike?

I guess they wouldn't have the chutzpah to do that.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:53 pm

Galloism wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Most Americans are in favour of greater gun control, but then a great number care about climate change and so far there's been hardly any airtime at all on the subject.


Notably, what he proposed isn't gun control, any more than banning political speech online is containing extremism.

He proposed rebooting the failed AWB. Bans.


Beto went above and beyond the AWB. He's openly calling for confiscation, no Dem at the national level has had the gall to do that. They've always said you'll be able to keep anything you currently own but just not buy any new ones.

Beto says you'll have no choice to turn it in, and that would not end well.

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Postby Telconi » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:55 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
It should land him in a fucking CIA black site, but alas, no luck with that.

We can add free speech to things your against too. Nice to know you support locking up political opponents like any good dictator


Sorry, not going to fuss over the freedoms of people who's entire schtick is destroying freedoms. He wants to have his rights respected he can learn some human decency.
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Postby Uiiop » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:02 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:We can add free speech to things your against too. Nice to know you support locking up political opponents like any good dictator


Sorry, not going to fuss over the freedoms of people who's entire schtick is destroying freedoms. He wants to have his rights respected he can learn some human decency.

That's a long line of people who's rights are being thrown in the gutter under your definitions.
You're sure you aren't going to in it?
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Postby Telconi » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:08 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Sorry, not going to fuss over the freedoms of people who's entire schtick is destroying freedoms. He wants to have his rights respected he can learn some human decency.

That's a long line of people who's rights are being thrown in the gutter under your definitions.
You're sure you aren't going to in it?


Yes.
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Postby Uiiop » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:25 pm

Telconi wrote:
Uiiop wrote:That's a long line of people who's rights are being thrown in the gutter under your definitions.
You're sure you aren't going to in it?


Yes.

Pragmatically speaking you know that isn't how that works out.
Maybe your "Should" ought to be where no one is able to destroy freedoms rather getting a vengeance kick of them.

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Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:31 pm

Imma leave this right here
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Does anyone know if there’s a recording of the climate debate online?
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Postby Uiiop » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:36 pm

Nouveau Yathrib wrote:Imma leave this right here
(Image)

Does anyone know if there’s a recording of the climate debate online?

Polls that drills down that spefic stats of "Which agenda is bad enough to drive away votes" would be nice.

People opposing shit does not matter if they care about other things more.

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Postby Aclion » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:43 pm

Galloism wrote:
Kowani wrote:What’re they gonna do, shut off their mike?

I guess they wouldn't have the chutzpah to do that.

Does anyone hear regan laughing
also if I were in one of these debates one must have would be a wireless amp mic for exactly that occasion

Uiiop wrote:
Nouveau Yathrib wrote:Imma leave this right here
(Image)

Does anyone know if there’s a recording of the climate debate online?

Polls that drills down that spefic stats of "Which agenda is bad enough to drive away votes" would be nice.

People opposing shit does not matter if they care about other things more.

also these polls are useless if they don't go into the specifics of the policies. Like a green new deal can mean basicly anything from cap and trade to AOC's political clown car
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Postby Pacomia » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:45 pm

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Postby Blargoblarg » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:49 pm

Pacomia wrote:Vermin Supreme 2020?

Giant Meteor is better. :p
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:25 am

Uiiop wrote:
Nouveau Yathrib wrote:Imma leave this right here
(Image)

Does anyone know if there’s a recording of the climate debate online?

Polls that drills down that spefic stats of "Which agenda is bad enough to drive away votes" would be nice.

People opposing shit does not matter if they care about other things more.


It's a pretty vague chart all in all, and depending on how that stuff is defined can make huge differences.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:25 am

Blargoblarg wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Vermin Supreme 2020?

Giant Meteor is better. :p


This but unironically.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:29 am

Aclion wrote:
Galloism wrote:I guess they wouldn't have the chutzpah to do that.

Does anyone hear regan laughing
also if I were in one of these debates one must have would be a wireless amp mic for exactly that occasion

Uiiop wrote:Polls that drills down that spefic stats of "Which agenda is bad enough to drive away votes" would be nice.

People opposing shit does not matter if they care about other things more.

also these polls are useless if they don't go into the specifics of the policies. Like a green new deal can mean basicly anything from cap and trade to AOC's political clown car


Has anyone actually explained how AOC's plan won't work or is everyone just crowing about how bad it is because the GOP told them it was bad because reasons?
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:39 am

Vassenor wrote:
Aclion wrote:Does anyone hear regan laughing
also if I were in one of these debates one must have would be a wireless amp mic for exactly that occasion


also these polls are useless if they don't go into the specifics of the policies. Like a green new deal can mean basicly anything from cap and trade to AOC's political clown car


Has anyone actually explained how AOC's plan won't work or is everyone just crowing about how bad it is because the GOP told them it was bad because reasons?


Has anyone said it won't work?
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:40 am

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Has anyone actually explained how AOC's plan won't work or is everyone just crowing about how bad it is because the GOP told them it was bad because reasons?


Has anyone said it won't work?


>post being responded to literally calls it a political clown car

Pretty sure calling it a joke implies it won't work.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:41 am

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Has anyone said it won't work?


>post being responded to literally calls it a political clown car

Pretty sure calling it a joke implies it won't work.


Jokes work, car pulls up, bunch of clowns get out.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:43 am

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
>post being responded to literally calls it a political clown car

Pretty sure calling it a joke implies it won't work.


Jokes work, car pulls up, bunch of clowns get out.


So what makes it an apt description then if it's not saying it won't work?

Or are you just arguing in circles rather than having to admit to being wrong?
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:44 am

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Jokes work, car pulls up, bunch of clowns get out.


So what makes it an apt description then if it's not saying it won't work?

Or are you just arguing in circles rather than having to admit to being wrong?


I would guess that calling it a joke means that it's a joke.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:46 am

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what makes it an apt description then if it's not saying it won't work?

Or are you just arguing in circles rather than having to admit to being wrong?


I would guess that calling it a joke means that it's a joke.


And what makes it a joke?

Because you're kind of proving my point here.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:51 am

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I would guess that calling it a joke means that it's a joke.


And what makes it a joke?

Because you're kind of proving my point here.


I can't speak for why Aclion thinks it's a joke.

You had a point?
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