Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:19 pmYou gotta make risky moves to earn high profit.
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2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:19 pmYou gotta make risky moves to earn high profit.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:22 pmLook I love Gabbard and Yang. The reason I don't believe they'll get the nomination, much less get the Presidency, is simply because both the Democrats and the United States as a whole is not ready for them and their ideas.
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:23 pmGreater Cesnica wrote:I personally support a Yang/Gabbard team, but I know Trump's gonna wipe the floor with all the Democratic candidates unless Bernie gets the nomination, which he won't.
In 1991 everyone knew Bush was going to be reelected in a fourth consecutive Republican landslide.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:24 pmArlenton wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:I personally support a Yang/Gabbard team, but I know Trump's gonna wipe the floor with all the Democratic candidates unless Bernie gets the nomination, which he won't.
In 1991 everyone knew Bush was going to be reelected in a fourth consecutive Republican landslide.
Now we know that Ross Perot won all of our hearts, twice!
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:25 pmArlenton wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:I personally support a Yang/Gabbard team, but I know Trump's gonna wipe the floor with all the Democratic candidates unless Bernie gets the nomination, which he won't.
In 1991 everyone knew Bush was going to be reelected in a fourth consecutive Republican landslide.
And our Arkansas savior wiped the floor with him.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:26 pmArlenton wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:I personally support a Yang/Gabbard team, but I know Trump's gonna wipe the floor with all the Democratic candidates unless Bernie gets the nomination, which he won't.
In 1991 everyone knew Bush was going to be reelected in a fourth consecutive Republican landslide.
Not to mention that showdown between Giuliani and Clinton in 2008 that was inevitable.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:29 pmGreater Cesnica wrote:Vassenor wrote:
And you know that for sure how?
Would you like to bet money right now? Right this second?
P.S Is gambling kosher on NSG? I don't think so, so officially this is merely an ideological challenge to Vass as to my confidence regarding Trump wiping the floor with every candidate except Sanders.
So you're bullshitting then? Since explaining your rationale doesn't actually need you to be putting your chips down.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:32 pmVassenor wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:Would you like to bet money right now? Right this second?
P.S Is gambling kosher on NSG? I don't think so, so officially this is merely an ideological challenge to Vass as to my confidence regarding Trump wiping the floor with every candidate except Sanders.
So you're bullshitting then? Since explaining your rationale doesn't actually need you to be putting your chips down.
Oh fuck me.
Gabbard and Yang do not have ideas that are able to impactfully reach the majority of Americans. Sure, they're able to shake up the Democratic primary field, but forget about the centrist and Republican vote. If Biden gets the nomination, which is the most likely outcome besides Warren, then he will get pushed over by Trump, who will use his familiar bullying tactics to win the hearts and minds of his grassroots support base. Same case with Warren. As for Bernie, he has a slim chance of topping Trump due to his common-sense left-wing populism. But through Fox and CNN's combined smear campaigns, this seems more and more unlikely. Which leads to a second Trump term.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:32 pmGreater Cesnica wrote:Look I love Gabbard and Yang. The reason I don't believe they'll get the nomination, much less get the Presidency, is simply because both the Democrats and the United States as a whole is not ready for them and their ideas.
Frankly, they're both not nearly as good as their opponents at communicating their vision. I understand they both have one, but when Gabbard continues to drone about regime change wars (a topic where I understand her viewpoint but hate how she talks about it) and Yang does his whole socially-awkward-nerd-talking-down-to-you thing, that doesn't inspire a whole lot of excitement about their campaigns and ideas.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:35 pmIdzequitch wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:Look I love Gabbard and Yang. The reason I don't believe they'll get the nomination, much less get the Presidency, is simply because both the Democrats and the United States as a whole is not ready for them and their ideas.
Frankly, they're both not nearly as good as their opponents at communicating their vision. I understand they both have one, but when Gabbard continues to drone about regime change wars (a topic where I understand her viewpoint but hate how she talks about it) and Yang does his whole socially-awkward-nerd-talking-down-to-you thing, that doesn't inspire a whole lot of excitement about their campaigns and ideas.
Hence why they'll get drowned out by the Centrist Democrats, who in turn will get fucked by Trump.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:36 pmI would love to go back to 1991 and tell people that the war winning president with an 89% approval rating from that party that had a "lock" on the electoral college would be beaten badly by a moderately-at-best known governor from Arkansas.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:37 pmGreater Cesnica wrote:Vassenor wrote:
So you're bullshitting then? Since explaining your rationale doesn't actually need you to be putting your chips down.
Oh fuck me.
Gabbard and Yang do not have ideas that are able to impactfully reach the majority of Americans. Sure, they're able to shake up the Democratic primary field, but forget about the centrist and Republican vote. If Biden gets the nomination, which is the most likely outcome besides Warren, then he will get pushed over by Trump, who will use his familiar bullying tactics to win the hearts and minds of his grassroots support base. Same case with Warren. As for Bernie, he has a slim chance of topping Trump due to his common-sense left-wing populism. But through Fox and CNN's combined smear campaigns, this seems more and more unlikely. Which leads to a second Trump term.
I mean Trump's bully behaviour has kind of damp squibbed with all three of them so far.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:37 pmArlenton wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:And our Arkansas savior wiped the floor with him.
I would love to go back to 1991 and tell people that the war winning president with an 89% approval rating from that party that had a "lock" on the electoral college would be beaten badly by a moderately-at-best known governor from Arkansas.
You could have made millions from off-shore betting.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:37 pmVassenor wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:Oh fuck me.
Gabbard and Yang do not have ideas that are able to impactfully reach the majority of Americans. Sure, they're able to shake up the Democratic primary field, but forget about the centrist and Republican vote. If Biden gets the nomination, which is the most likely outcome besides Warren, then he will get pushed over by Trump, who will use his familiar bullying tactics to win the hearts and minds of his grassroots support base. Same case with Warren. As for Bernie, he has a slim chance of topping Trump due to his common-sense left-wing populism. But through Fox and CNN's combined smear campaigns, this seems more and more unlikely. Which leads to a second Trump term.
I mean Trump's bully behaviour has kind of damp squibbed with all three of them so far.
The thing you gotta understand is that kind of nasty politics, that bullying, it's popular with his grassroots populist base.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:39 pmIsn't said base shrinking precisely because this behaviour is a turnoff?
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:40 pmUnfortunately, no. Spending a decent amount of time on the underbelly of the internet really gives one a perspective on things. Essentially the exact lack of mainstream support for Trump coupled with online support for him is starting to repeat itself now in 2019/2020.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:42 pmVassenor wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:Oh fuck me.
Gabbard and Yang do not have ideas that are able to impactfully reach the majority of Americans. Sure, they're able to shake up the Democratic primary field, but forget about the centrist and Republican vote. If Biden gets the nomination, which is the most likely outcome besides Warren, then he will get pushed over by Trump, who will use his familiar bullying tactics to win the hearts and minds of his grassroots support base. Same case with Warren. As for Bernie, he has a slim chance of topping Trump due to his common-sense left-wing populism. But through Fox and CNN's combined smear campaigns, this seems more and more unlikely. Which leads to a second Trump term.
I mean Trump's bully behaviour has kind of damp squibbed with all three of them so far.
Not really. Warren is making a fool of herself apologizing for having larped as a native to get ahead. If that dumb DNA test and her recent weak apology is anything to go by, she is donezo. Biden is challenging people to do push ups when asked about his son. Now he blames advisors for not telling him it could look bad. Neither of them have the guts or the internal balance to go toe to toe with Trump.
Bernie did what Warren was too scared to do, he went on Fox News and he even won the crowd. He is the only one of three who has the stomach and the ability to turn the crowd & not be affected by Trump's assaults. It turns out girl power and the Obama legacy aren't enough. One would think after watching Clinton fail that hard, that we'd learn the lesson that those aren't enough nor should they be relied on.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:42 pmGreater Cesnica wrote:Vassenor wrote:
Isn't said base shrinking precisely because this behaviour is a turnoff?
Unfortunately, no. Spending a decent amount of time on the underbelly of the internet really gives one a perspective on things. Essentially the exact lack of mainstream support for Trump coupled with online support for him is starting to repeat itself now in 2019/2020.
So because r/the_donald says his base is still the biglyest?
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:43 pmVassenor wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:Unfortunately, no. Spending a decent amount of time on the underbelly of the internet really gives one a perspective on things. Essentially the exact lack of mainstream support for Trump coupled with online support for him is starting to repeat itself now in 2019/2020.
So because r/the_donald says his base is still the biglyest?
Funny you say that, that cancer of a subreddit got nuked.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:46 pmPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:49 pmIt's not just that. There has been a populist resurgence across world. Nationalism has now become a mainstream ideology. This is not hard to see, not by any metric.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:50 pmGreater Cesnica wrote:Vassenor wrote:
My point stands. Your evidence that his base is stilL YUUGE is that the echo chambers say so, apparently.
It's not just that. There has been a populist resurgence across world. Nationalism has now become a mainstream ideology. This is not hard to see, not by any metric.
And this proves that Trump's core base isn't shrinking how?
[looks at all the candidates he's endorsed who've gone on to lose bigly]
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:53 pmVassenor wrote:Greater Cesnica wrote:It's not just that. There has been a populist resurgence across world. Nationalism has now become a mainstream ideology. This is not hard to see, not by any metric.
And this proves that Trump's core base isn't shrinking how?
[looks at all the candidates he's endorsed who've gone on to lose bigly]
Look at the alienation of the Midwest and the Rust Belt. Even though Trump has betrayed a lot of this demographic, most of the Rust Belt and the Midwest will still blindly follow him due to the alternative appearing infinitely worse.
You know, if you'll take Michael Moore's word: https://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/
Yes, I know it's a 2016 article. It's still highly relevant today, as many of the same points still stand.
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:53 pm