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2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

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Who do you think had the best performance at tonight’s debate?

Bernie
65
62%
Buttigieg
12
11%
Warren
11
10%
Biden
5
5%
Steyer
4
4%
Klobuchar
8
8%
 
Total votes : 105

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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:20 am

Idzequitch wrote:Well. With Sestak and Bullock gone, we're "down" to 16 "major" Democratic candidates.

I would argue that Williamson, Bennet, Delaney, and even Castro shouldn't be viewed as major candidates at this point, and frankly, there's no reason why any of them should stay in the race. I would argue that Booker and Gabbard should also drop out as it seems their messages aren't resonating with Democratic voters. Also Bloomberg and Patrick should never have joined and the sooner they're forced to drop back out, the better.

So yes there are 16 major candidates, but if you want to narrow that down to those who have even the slightest of slight chances of getting nominated, there's probably six. Maybe eight if you want to be extra generous and include Yang and Klobuchar.


You may have to wait on Bloomberg as he's polling at 5% in a Morning Consult Poll and 6% in a Hill Poll respectfully. Harris meanwhile drops below him.
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Postby Ism » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:11 am

Zurkerx wrote:
Idzequitch wrote:Well. With Sestak and Bullock gone, we're "down" to 16 "major" Democratic candidates.

I would argue that Williamson, Bennet, Delaney, and even Castro shouldn't be viewed as major candidates at this point, and frankly, there's no reason why any of them should stay in the race. I would argue that Booker and Gabbard should also drop out as it seems their messages aren't resonating with Democratic voters. Also Bloomberg and Patrick should never have joined and the sooner they're forced to drop back out, the better.

So yes there are 16 major candidates, but if you want to narrow that down to those who have even the slightest of slight chances of getting nominated, there's probably six. Maybe eight if you want to be extra generous and include Yang and Klobuchar.


You may have to wait on Bloomberg as he's polling at 5% in a Morning Consult Poll and 6% in a Hill Poll respectfully. Harris meanwhile drops below him.


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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:17 am

Bloomberg recently stated he only wants to attack trump in his paper and not the other candidates. He's an idiot if this is his campaign strategy. I mean imagine that.

Bernie Sanders: mister bloomberg, under your leadership inequality in New York has rapidly increased and stop and frisk ruined the lives of many poor minorities in your city.

Lester Holt: Mr. Bloomberg what is your response?

Bloomberg: I'm not gonna respond. I just wanna say I hate Donald trump.

Sanders: no, I'm not letting you get off the hook like that

Bloomberg: I don't wanna attack you. I only wanna focus on trump

There's being a dumbass, and then there's being bloomberg. This is literally the campaign of fail
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:22 am

Rojava Free State wrote:Bloomberg recently stated he only wants to attack trump in his paper and not the other candidates. He's an idiot if this is his campaign strategy. I mean imagine that.

Bernie Sanders: mister bloomberg, under your leadership inequality in New York has rapidly increased and stop and frisk ruined the lives of many poor minorities in your city.

Lester Holt: Mr. Bloomberg what is your response?

Bloomberg: I'm not gonna respond. I just wanna say I hate Donald trump.

Sanders: no, I'm not letting you get off the hook like that

Bloomberg: I don't wanna attack you. I only wanna focus on trump

There's being a dumbass, and then there's being bloomberg. This is literally the campaign of fail

He's going to need a lot of bribery if he wants his campaign to get literally anywhere.
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:25 am

Tom Steyer qualifies for December's Debate.

He's the 7th to do so. Yang and Gabbard are close but need one more poll.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:28 am

Zurkerx wrote:Tom Steyer qualifies for December's Debate.

He's the 7th to do so. Yang and Gabbard are close but need one more poll.

Wait, "Opposing the corporate takeover of our government" isn't the guy a billionaire who runs a bank or something?
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:34 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Tom Steyer qualifies for December's Debate.

He's the 7th to do so. Yang and Gabbard are close but need one more poll.

Wait, "Opposing the corporate takeover of our government" isn't the guy a billionaire who runs a bank or something?


He did run a bank and is currently a hedge fund manager. His net worth I think is $1.9 billion.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:45 am

Zurkerx wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Wait, "Opposing the corporate takeover of our government" isn't the guy a billionaire who runs a bank or something?


He did run a bank and is currently a hedge fund manager. His net worth I think is $1.9 billion.

Ironic.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:00 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
He did run a bank and is currently a hedge fund manager. His net worth I think is $1.9 billion.

Ironic.

So I guess he's opposing the corporate takeover of the government by corporations he's not involved with.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:01 am

Ifreann wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Ironic.

So I guess he's opposing the corporate takeover of the government by corporations he's not involved with.

Yeah, probably. "corporate takeover is bad, except when corporations I like are taking over."
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:05 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Ifreann wrote:So I guess he's opposing the corporate takeover of the government by corporations he's not involved with.

Yeah, probably. "corporate takeover is bad, except when corporations I like are taking over."

"I should be taking over, not these other corporations!"
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Postby Juristonia » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:17 am

Zurkerx wrote:
Idzequitch wrote:Well. With Sestak and Bullock gone, we're "down" to 16 "major" Democratic candidates.

I would argue that Williamson, Bennet, Delaney, and even Castro shouldn't be viewed as major candidates at this point, and frankly, there's no reason why any of them should stay in the race. I would argue that Booker and Gabbard should also drop out as it seems their messages aren't resonating with Democratic voters. Also Bloomberg and Patrick should never have joined and the sooner they're forced to drop back out, the better.

So yes there are 16 major candidates, but if you want to narrow that down to those who have even the slightest of slight chances of getting nominated, there's probably six. Maybe eight if you want to be extra generous and include Yang and Klobuchar.


You may have to wait on Bloomberg as he's polling at 5% in a Morning Consult Poll and 6% in a Hill Poll respectfully. Harris meanwhile drops below him.

I mean, at this point, anyone still pulling single digits should just be ready to start fucking off already.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:20 am

Ifreann wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Yeah, probably. "corporate takeover is bad, except when corporations I like are taking over."

"I should be taking over, not these other corporations!"

"I don't want the corporate take over, I just want the one thing that makes corporate power the most corrupting, the investment sector."
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Postby Arlenton » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:24 am

Zurkerx wrote:Tom Steyer qualifies for December's Debate.

He's the 7th to do so. Yang and Gabbard are close but need one more poll.

Coastal elites are fucking weird.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:25 am

Arlenton wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Tom Steyer qualifies for December's Debate.

He's the 7th to do so. Yang and Gabbard are close but need one more poll.

Coastal elites are fucking weird.

Revolution time, comrade. 8)
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Postby Arlenton » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:30 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Coastal elites are fucking weird.

Revolution time, comrade. 8)

Yes. The Trump style right wing populist anti-elitist kind ;)

Or fuck it, I'll go with the communists too. They can't possibly be as insufferable as the neoliberal eastern establishment.

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:36 am

Arlenton wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Revolution time, comrade. 8)

Yes. The Trump style right wing populist anti-elitist kind ;)

Or fuck it, I'll go with the communists too. They can't possibly be as insufferable as the neoliberal eastern establishment.


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Postby South Odreria 2 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:58 am

Buttigieg and Sanders are 1 and 2 in Iowa and New Hampshire. I think it will come down to those two.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:13 am

South Odreria 2 wrote:Buttigieg and Sanders are 1 and 2 in Iowa and New Hampshire. I think it will come down to those two.


That would be awful considering both struggle with black voters (Buttigieg way more, though) and that constitutes 50% of the Democratic base (or so)
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:15 am

Valrifell wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:Buttigieg and Sanders are 1 and 2 in Iowa and New Hampshire. I think it will come down to those two.


That would be awful considering both struggle with black voters (Buttigieg way more, though) and that constitutes 50% of the Democratic base (or so)


Not necessarily. Sanders actually does good with younger African Americans, just not well with older ones. If Biden wasn't in the race, he would be leading with them. Not sure I would say it'll be between the two of them though: still too early.
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Postby Xerkivia » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:16 am

Trump's gonna win big time. These candidates suck. In all fairness to them, it's going to be damn difficult to top Trumps great successes, including economic growth and flourishing jobs and in terms of foreign policy.

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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:16 am

Breaking: Kamala Harris drops out of presidential race

Yes. Yes. Yes! Finally. Despite qualifying for the next debate, she wasn't going anywhere.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:17 am

Zurkerx wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
That would be awful considering both struggle with black voters (Buttigieg way more, though) and that constitutes 50% of the Democratic base (or so)


Not necessarily. Sanders actually does good with younger African Americans, just not well with older ones. If Biden wasn't in the race, he would be leading with them. Not sure I would say it'll be between the two of them though: still too early.


Either way, Buttigieg I don't see surviving Super Tuesday unless he manages to completely 180 his support among that key Democratic bloc.

He'll fall right into the same trap Sanders did in 2016.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:18 am

Zurkerx wrote:Breaking: Kamala Harris drops out of presidential race

Yes. Yes. Yes! Finally. Despite qualifying for the next debate, she wasn't going anywhere.


This might give other candidates a noteable polling boost, too, since while she was stagnating she still held a (comparatively) significant chunk of primary voters in her camp.

It's not a surprise, though, considering all the reports we've been getting of her campaign crashing and burning from the inside.
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Postby Asle Leopolka » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:21 am

Zurkerx wrote:Breaking: Kamala Harris drops out of presidential race

Yes. Yes. Yes! Finally. Despite qualifying for the next debate, she wasn't going anywhere.

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