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Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
And what fantasy world are you living in? Because she handled said jokes pretty damn well.

Releasing DNA tests that show you're 1/1000th native isn't the best way to handle attacks like that lol

Pretty sure she was doing that just to call Trump's bluff.

Hakons wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
There's nothing about the Trump campaign that is well-organized, which is what makes it so hard to defend against. Terribly unpredictable, them.

I don't know, I think Trump's randomness is mostly a liability for himself. There's no way his tweets, offensive sayings, or thoughtless remarks expand his base of support. A "Trumpism" politician that could actually articulate things well would be much better. The Democratic candidates are providing, from my conservative view, a lot of opportunity for a Republican to demonstrate how he or she is clearly the best choice, but I don't see Trump as an effective speaker or debater.

But what do I know about politics. I'm a Republican voter that actually likes voting for establishment Republicans

The sad thing is, if you do some research into the psychology and even surface beliefs of many Trump supporters, you find that many of them support him specifically because of the chaos. They like it when he sends out a ridiculous tweet that irks leftists and establishment conservatives. That is one of the main reasons that they voted for him.

The Wasatch wrote:

Hakons wrote:
I don't know, I think Trump's randomness is mostly a liability for himself. There's no way his tweets, offensive sayings, or thoughtless remarks expand his base of support. A "Trumpism" politician that could actually articulate things well would be much better. The Democratic candidates are providing, from my conservative view, a lot of opportunity for a Republican to demonstrate how he or she is clearly the best choice, but I don't see Trump as an effective speaker or debater.

But what do I know about politics. I'm a Republican voter that actually likes voting for establishment Republicans

The sad thing is, if you do some research into the psychology and even surface beliefs of many Trump supporters, you find that many of them support him specifically because of the chaos. They like it when he sends out a ridiculous tweet that irks leftists and establishment conservatives. That is one of the main reasons that they voted for him.

They don't care if he flagrantly breaks the law as long as The Libs Are Getting Owned.

Gormwood wrote:

The Wasatch wrote:The sad thing is, if you do some research into the psychology and even surface beliefs of many Trump supporters, you find that many of them support him specifically because of the chaos. They like it when he sends out a ridiculous tweet that irks leftists and establishment conservatives. That is one of the main reasons that they voted for him.

They don't care if he flagrantly breaks the law as long as The Libs Are Getting Owned.

Quite true. There was an interesting article in the last edition of the RollingStone about this. It is well documented, and a condition that occurs abroad as well.

Gormwood wrote:

The Wasatch wrote:The sad thing is, if you do some research into the psychology and even surface beliefs of many Trump supporters, you find that many of them support him specifically because of the chaos. They like it when he sends out a ridiculous tweet that irks leftists and establishment conservatives. That is one of the main reasons that they voted for him.

They don't care if he flagrantly breaks the law as long as The Libs Are Getting Owned.

And this is the problem among the Republican base. It likely is true he could shoot someone on live television and not lose a single voter.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

The Wasatch wrote:Quite true. There was an interesting article in the last edition of the RollingStone about this. It is well documented, and a condition that occurs abroad as well.

Link?

https://psyarxiv.com/6m4ts/
I get the print version of RollingStone, but I believe that you can probably find the article online. It was called Trump 2020: Be Very Afraid. It was actually a quite pessimistic article from a liberal standpoint. It focused on the idea that Trump can't be beaten easily because people don't vote for him for reasons that his opponents could ever offer.

MORBY SHIPPERS wrote:

Hakons wrote:
Lying about native american affiliation is pretty bad considering what native americans actually go through, and lauding a DNA test that shows a laughably small amount of possible native ancestry as a supposed rebuttal to the criticism just made it worse. She lied about her ancestry for years and then demeaned tribal affiliation by presenting it as a genetic thing, rather than an actually being a member of a tribal nation thing. When left/liberal Americans constantly tell us about the privilege or disadvantage created by race and ethnicity, a left-wing politician lying about that for years and then demeaning that identity is very hypocritical. Warren doesn't have anything on Trump's checkered past, but this is definitely an issue.

The real problem isn't her DNA. It's the fact that she has never tried actually living or identifying with their culture, she just says that she's native American and expects people to take her seriously.

I (possibly) have 1/8 native american ancestry (most likely Chibcha, if it's true). But guess what? I still wouldn't consider myself native American. I never grew up as one. I never experienced whatt their life or culture is like, so I feel it would be unfair for the ones who do.

Yeah, you guys are going to have a harder time making that sale than you seem to think. And trying to thread this needle where you're straight having to make some parts up while having to ignore the fifteen or so much worse things Trump will have done before noon on the day? It's going to look even sadder than it already does.

im down for Buttigieg. it wont matter cos im escaping this ass of a country with my bf soon, but still, history. plus, gays gotta support gays

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Cannot think of a name wrote:Yeah, you guys are going to have a harder time making that sale than you seem to think. And trying to thread this needle where you're straight having to make some parts up while having to ignore the fifteen or so much worse things Trump will have done before noon on the day? It's going to look even sadder than it already does.

It's pathetic honestly. The idea it should stop her victory in the general is laughable in retrospect when Trump has wayyyy worse scandals. She's far more honest and moral than him.

Except with Donny's base. They're willing to believe anything he tells them about a Nasty Woman like Warren, or any other educated woman for that matter. Guaranteed they'll be indoctrinated into believing she's Hillary Clinton trying to run for a third time by 2020.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Cannot think of a name wrote:Yeah, you guys are going to have a harder time making that sale than you seem to think. And trying to thread this needle where you're straight having to make some parts up while having to ignore the fifteen or so much worse things Trump will have done before noon on the day? It's going to look even sadder than it already does.

It's pathetic honestly. The idea it should stop her victory in the general is laughable in retrospect when Trump has wayyyy worse scandals. She's far more honest and moral than him.

Well those are important traits, if we work on the basis that people have the same morals you do (they don't) or that everyone views her honesty as a positive thing (they don't)

Gormwood wrote:

Eternal Lotharia wrote:It's pathetic honestly. The idea it should stop her victory in the general is laughable in retrospect when Trump has wayyyy worse scandals. She's far more honest and moral than him.

Except with Donny's base. They're willing to believe anything he tells them about a Nasty Woman like Warren, or any other educated woman for that matter. Guaranteed they'll be indoctrinated into believing she's Hillary Clinton trying to run for a third time by 2020.

Donny's base ain't voting Dem anyway.

Gormwood wrote:

Eternal Lotharia wrote:It's pathetic honestly. The idea it should stop her victory in the general is laughable in retrospect when Trump has wayyyy worse scandals. She's far more honest and moral than him.

Except with Donny's base. They're willing to believe anything he tells them about a Nasty Woman like Warren, or any other educated woman for that matter. Guaranteed they'll be indoctrinated into believing she's Hillary Clinton trying to run for a third time by 2020.

Yes, he has a base. No one is aiming at his base. It’s trying to convince not his base that this matters. And that’s going to be a hard sell.

The Sherpa Empire wrote:

Gormwood wrote:Except with Donny's base. They're willing to believe anything he tells them about a Nasty Woman like Warren, or any other educated woman for that matter. Guaranteed they'll be indoctrinated into believing she's Hillary Clinton trying to run for a third time by 2020.

Donny's base ain't voting Dem anyway.

Cannot think of a name wrote:

Gormwood wrote:Except with Donny's base. They're willing to believe anything he tells them about a Nasty Woman like Warren, or any other educated woman for that matter. Guaranteed they'll be indoctrinated into believing she's Hillary Clinton trying to run for a third time by 2020.

Yes, he has a base. No one is aiming at his base. It’s trying to convince not his base that this matters. And that’s going to be a hard sell.

The Republican Party as a whole has become the Trump Family Cult, with how only retiring legislators and officials are daring to criticize his stupidity- and meekly at that. Even their non-MAGA cap wearing voters will follow along rank and file. Look at how farmers getting squashed by the trade war with JYNA are still expressing support for Donny and willingness to vote for him in 2020.

Gormwood wrote:

The Sherpa Empire wrote:
Donny's base ain't voting Dem anyway.

Cannot think of a name wrote:Yes, he has a base. No one is aiming at his base. It’s trying to convince not his base that this matters. And that’s going to be a hard sell.

The Republican Party as a whole has become the Trump Family Cult, with how only retiring legislators and officials are daring to criticize his stupidity- and meekly at that. Even their non-MAGA cap wearing voters will follow along rank and file. Look at how farmers getting squashed by the trade war with JYNA are still expressing support for Donny and willingness to vote for him in 2020.

Support in that specific group is declining. Which undermines your thesis. Plus, some version of "and his followers won't care" has become the call and response of Trump doing something shitty. Like a congregation responding to the priest. People have stopped even coming up with new 'things he could do and not lose support.' I fucking get it. I now just page advance when a piece of news drops in the feigntest hopes that the next page isn't two people going "Well if it was your guy you'd..." "If it was our guy you'd..."

Cannot think of a name wrote:

Gormwood wrote:
The Republican Party as a whole has become the Trump Family Cult, with how only retiring legislators and officials are daring to criticize his stupidity- and meekly at that. Even their non-MAGA cap wearing voters will follow along rank and file. Look at how farmers getting squashed by the trade war with JYNA are still expressing support for Donny and willingness to vote for him in 2020.

Support in that specific group is declining. Which undermines your thesis. Plus, some version of "and his followers won't care" has become the call and response of Trump doing something shitty. Like a congregation responding to the priest. People have stopped even coming up with new 'things he could do and not lose support.' I fucking get it. I now just page advance when a piece of news drops in the feigntest hopes that the next page isn't two people going "Well if it was your guy you'd..." "If it was our guy you'd..."

We left a normal, intelligent world where shameless corruption and incompetence would be punished back in 2016. Best outcome is that my observation is too pessimistic and people will make it clear the novelty of moronic meme worship has burnt out in 2020.

Cannot think of a name wrote:

Grahnol wrote:As for the latter paragraph, it's okay if you disagree or otherwise think that Yang's platform is weak. I personally think that he has more convincing points than most Democrats, especially with the party's drift to far more progressive and lefter-wing policies that make me uncomfortable with it. Yang for me is like a breath of fresh air that for once isn't bringing expensive budget sucking progressive policies and plans.

The same guy whose signature proposal is giving everyone $1000 a month?

Fair. I guess it isn't the best idea to make your signature proposal the most exotic one. You need to look unique I guess but not with a proposal that's quite exotic for American politics.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Cannot think of a name wrote:Yeah, you guys are going to have a harder time making that sale than you seem to think. And trying to thread this needle where you're straight having to make some parts up while having to ignore the fifteen or so much worse things Trump will have done before noon on the day? It's going to look even sadder than it already does.

It's pathetic honestly. The idea it should stop her victory in the general is laughable in retrospect when Trump has wayyyy worse scandals. She's far more honest and moral than him.

It will be a dark, cloudy day across the continental United States, Hawaii and Alaska if Warren is the one to face Trump regardless. Two bad sides on opposite ends, basically. You could argue that 'if we survive 4 years of Trump, it couldn't hurt to have 4 years of Warren, right?' Well, maybe, fair, but I would much rather have both lacklustre choices not get elected when there are better choices than fall into political apathy.

Gormwood wrote:

Eternal Lotharia wrote:It's pathetic honestly. The idea it should stop her victory in the general is laughable in retrospect when Trump has wayyyy worse scandals. She's far more honest and moral than him.

Except with Donny's base. They're willing to believe anything he tells them about a Nasty Woman like Warren, or any other educated woman for that matter. Guaranteed they'll be indoctrinated into believing she's Hillary Clinton trying to run for a third time by 2020.

Tell me one presidential campaign/popular president that isn't hypnotic or calm. People are all over presidential candidates and/or giving the current president another term because it's a President, and the President of the sole superpower at that, so it's a big deal. Of course people will obsess and submit themselves to their picks so easily. Yang's base is like this, Bernie's base is like this, Warren's base is like this, Trump's base is like this, I could continue on and on.

Gormwood wrote:The Republican Party as a whole has become the Trump Family Cult, with how only retiring legislators and officials are daring to criticize his stupidity- and meekly at that. Even their non-MAGA cap wearing voters will follow along rank and file. Look at how farmers getting squashed by the trade war with JYNA are still expressing support for Donny and willingness to vote for him in 2020.

The Republicans are actually very flip-floppy when it comes to their support of Trump as a whole as far as I can tell. Right now they seem to be support of him but throughout his term, the Republicans has had many partisan quarrels with Trump and their support of him has been far from stable. I guess it's growing more stable with Trump having become more powerful since but still. Correct me if I'm wrong with this one.

Can we just hit the reset button on the USA? I call it... USA 2

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Can we just hit the reset button on the USA? I call it... USA 2

I don't think Canada wants a mass exodus from the US.

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Can we just hit the reset button on the USA? I call it... USA 2

Rome tried that, it... kinda worked, I guess.

Valrifell wrote:

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Can we just hit the reset button on the USA? I call it... USA 2

Rome tried that, it... kinda worked, I guess.

You could be referring to like three different things here and none of them actually count (for one reason or another, and it's different reasons each time).

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Can we just hit the reset button on the USA? I call it... USA 2

Put the entire world to war with the US, (assuming they get past the war) occupy the country, divide it up into multiple occupation zones, completely change up the political landscape of the US (which may involve influencing it through the politics of the occupiers) and release the US reformed and rebuilt (also maybe subverted and under the heavy political influence of factions outside of the US).

It's an even dozen for the next debate, Tulsi Gabbard has now qualified.

This is the fourth qualifying poll to show Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard with 2% support or higher, meaning she has now met both the polling and fundraising requirements to join the other 11 candidates who have qualified for the October Democratic presidential debate hosted by CNN and The New York Times.

That's not the headline for the article, the headline is that in a new New Hampshire poll has Biden and Warren neck and neck at 27/25% respectively with Sanders back at 12%.

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren and former Vice President Joe Biden lead the Democratic field in New Hampshire, with 27% and 25% support respectively, according to a new poll of likely Democratic primary voters from Monmouth University on Tuesday.

In a close race for third place, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders received 12% in the poll, followed by South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg with 10%.

Also, it's time for those ad buys.

Elizabeth Warren will launch television ads for the first time in all four early primary and caucus states, marking a new phase of her presidential campaign as she emerges as a leading candidate for the 2020 Democratic nomination.
In a rare strategy memo sent as part of a fundraising email to supporters Tuesday morning, Warren's campaign manager, Roger Lau, announced an eight-figure TV and digital campaign in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina.

Cannot think of a name wrote:It's an even dozen for the next debate, Tulsi Gabbard has now qualified.

This is the fourth qualifying poll to show Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard with 2% support or higher, meaning she has now met both the polling and fundraising requirements to join the other 11 candidates who have qualified for the October Democratic presidential debate hosted by CNN and The New York Times.

That's not the headline for the article, the headline is that in a new New Hampshire poll has Biden and Warren neck and neck at 27/25% respectively with Sanders back at 12%.

Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren and former Vice President Joe Biden lead the Democratic field in New Hampshire, with 27% and 25% support respectively, according to a new poll of likely Democratic primary voters from Monmouth University on Tuesday.

In a close race for third place, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders received 12% in the poll, followed by South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg with 10%.

Also, it's time for those ad buys.

Elizabeth Warren will launch television ads for the first time in all four early primary and caucus states, marking a new phase of her presidential campaign as she emerges as a leading candidate for the 2020 Democratic nomination.
In a rare strategy memo sent as part of a fundraising email to supporters Tuesday morning, Warren's campaign manager, Roger Lau, announced an eight-figure TV and digital campaign in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina.

An even six each night, and just a week more to qualify.

Pelosi to announce a formal impeachment inquiry today; Biden backs it.

A little surprised Biden would come out in the open in support for this. Totally reasonable why he would though.

Oh, interesting. I wasn't really following that Ukraine stuff too closely because there have been so many scandals they all turn into background noise.