2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

[Telconi]

This is basically Kasich in 2016

Hey now-I liked Kasich.
Best Republican I knew of until Amash.

Then again, shows I didn't like many republicans...

I kinda like Manchin. So it makes sense.

[Telconi]

I kinda like Manchin. So it makes sense.

Manchin is not economically populist, progressive, or good enough. I dislike him.

Indeed.

[Gormwood]

Muslims feel taken for granted in the 2020 field and treated with 2020 Dems's disdain in an attempt to appeal to moderates, so they adore Bernie for not treating them as if they don't matter.

"Not only is he a Stalinist, he's also an al'Qaeda/ISIS mouthpiece." I can see that line of attack coming.

[Tobleste]

Muslims feel taken for granted in the 2020 field and treated with 2020 Dems's disdain in an attempt to appeal to moderates, so they adore Bernie for not treating them as if they don't matter.

"Not only is he a Stalinist, he's also an al'Qaeda/ISIS mouthpiece." I can see that line of attack coming.

That well known alliance of Communists and Islamic terrorists.

[Chan Island]

Always struck me as silly to allow credit scores for employment. Like, you've got a bad credit score because you owe a lot of money, but somehow you can't try and solve that by making money from... you know, a job?

Makes me like Bernie even more.

Pretty much.
It's a silly idea honestly, economically.

Is there a broader economic story to this actually, now that you raise it? Don't know where to begin looking for if somebody has actually studied this in detail, but I have a gut feeling that the economy must be losing a not inconsiderable sum of money per year because of petty things like this.

Always struck me as silly to allow credit scores for employment. Like, you've got a bad credit score because you owe a lot of money, but somehow you can't try and solve that by making money from... you know, a job?

Makes me like Bernie even more.

Yeah, it goes with everything conservatives believe, and republican congressmen say they believe, about personal responsibility, hard work, etc. I think Sanders' campaign was initially too narrowly focused on a couple of issues, but he's really upping his game, and with proposals that I think will be broadly popular.

Which is also a strange contradiction to the rhetoric as they often have this 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' line too. Yet then there is this which prevents doing exactly that, by exactly hard work.

Bernie has been going from strength to strength in my opinion. Just keeps whacking out solid policy proposal after another. A refreshing change from the 'hey, look at how great i am' preening peacock politics.

Always struck me as silly to allow credit scores for employment. Like, you've got a bad credit score because you owe a lot of money, but somehow you can't try and solve that by making money from... you know, a job?

Makes me like Bernie even more.

It's rooted in the idea that a credit score is an indicator of the person's responsibility.

But then also throws a wrench into any idea as to somebody trying to improve that image or fix their personal responsibility deficiency. As I said, always was silly, even on the original proponents' own logic.

[South Odreria 2]

West Virginia Senator Paula Jean Swearengin / Pennsylvania Governor Meek Mill 2028.
Fiorentina went up 2-0 on Atalanta but gave up a goal in the 95th minute to tie it, so I still support Sanders. Drat.

[Telconi]

Pretty much.
It's a silly idea honestly, economically.

Is there a broader economic story to this actually, now that you raise it? Don't know where to begin looking for if somebody has actually studied this in detail, but I have a gut feeling that the economy must be losing a not inconsiderable sum of money per year because of petty things like this.

Yeah, it goes with everything conservatives believe, and republican congressmen say they believe, about personal responsibility, hard work, etc. I think Sanders' campaign was initially too narrowly focused on a couple of issues, but he's really upping his game, and with proposals that I think will be broadly popular.

Which is also a strange contradiction to the rhetoric as they often have this 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' line too. Yet then there is this which prevents doing exactly that, by exactly hard work.

Bernie has been going from strength to strength in my opinion. Just keeps whacking out solid policy proposal after another. A refreshing change from the 'hey, look at how great i am' preening peacock politics.

It's rooted in the idea that a credit score is an indicator of the person's responsibility.

But then also throws a wrench into any idea as to somebody trying to improve that image or fix their personal responsibility deficiency. As I said, always was silly, even on the original proponents' own logic.

By that logic all penalties do this. I mean, if we put a burglar in jail for burglary. He is unable to prove his reformation in jail, as there are no homes to burglarize.

[Zurkerx]

I think Biden, Warren, Buttigieg, and Yang will be the final 4.
With Biden dropping out after NH leaving a contentious final 3 of Dark Horses with any able to win but probably Warren.

Maybe for the first two States but I don't see Biden dropping out so soon. He would have to catastrophically fall for that to happen. Not to mention, to get delegates, you need 15% or more of the vote, which only three people can do that for most States, and that's Biden, Warren, and Sanders. Buttigieg is a wild card but he and Yang are not going to go as far as you think.

[Telconi]

Maybe for the first two States but I don't see Biden dropping out so soon. He would have to catastrophically fall for that to happen. Not to mention, to get delegates, you need 15% or more of the vote, which only three people can do that for most States, and that's Biden, Warren, and Sanders. Buttigieg is a wild card but he and Yang are not going to go as far as you think.

Yang's going to have a breakout moment. That I'm sure of.

That said I don't think he'll win.

A lot can happen between now and the election.

[South Odreria 2]

Buttigieg and his 100% white supporters have no chance of victory, but he’s the best redistributor of wealth since Bernie Madoff.

[Ngelmish]

Buttigieg and his 100% white supporters have no chance of victory, but he’s the best redistributor of wealth since Bernie Madoff.

Really? It's at 100%?

[San Lumen]

I think Biden, Warren, Buttigieg, and Yang will be the final 4.
With Biden dropping out after NH leaving a contentious final 3 of Dark Horses with any able to win but probably Warren.

I dont think biden will be dropping out. Do you think Warren can beat Trump? So of my co workers have expressed reservations.

[Dresderstan]

I don't see Biden dropping out until May of next year. He's gonna stick until the primaries in the Northeast, including PA which he should win quite easily.

[Cannot think of a name]

I don't see Biden dropping out until May of next year. He's gonna stick until the primaries in the Northeast, including PA which he should win quite easily.

Well, unless he has a complete tanker on Super Tuesday he'll go the distance until he reaches a moment where it's clear Warren or Sanders has beat him. He might be set up for what has taken out many front runners before him, with Warren making in roads and in some cases leading in early states.

Remember how inevitable Clinton and Giuliani were in 2008 where their campaigns counted on Florida/Super Tuesday results but losing those early states sank them both, tempering their Super Tuesday totals and giving the people behind them the air they needed to take both front runners down.

If Biden comes in second in Iowa and New Hampshire that might be enough to make Warren the front runner, but like Clinton he'll still have enough vote share and support to stay in the fight until a clear winner emerges.

Sanders is the king of lost causes, he'll stay in until long after his loss is a foregone conclusion.

As is usually the case but more exaggerated here because of the number of candidates, New Hampshire and Iowa will be a bloodbath. Most of the under 2% crowd will bow out not able to fund competing on Super Tuesday. After ST we'll probably lose the Buttigieg and Harris'.

[Blargoblarg]

I wouldn't be surprised if Biden drops out if he does badly enough in the first four primaries and caucuses in February. Maybe he'll make it to Super Tuesday, but I'm not convinced he'll last much longer beyond that. I think Bernie and Warren both have good chances of doing well in the early primaries and Super Tuesday, and staying in it for a long time. I'm sure a few of the other candidates will do decent enough to hang on until Super Tuesday as well, but a lot of them will drop out after they do poorly in the first four in February.

[Juristonia]

Yang's going to have a breakout moment. That I'm sure of.

That said I don't think he'll win.

Considering he's not even close to getting double digits in the polls, what are you basing this on?
He seems to have a very dedicated niche covered, but he seems incapable of expanding that.

[Cannot think of a name]

Yang's going to have a breakout moment. That I'm sure of.

That said I don't think he'll win.

Considering he's not even close to getting double digits in the polls, what are you basing this on?
He seems to have a very dedicated niche covered, but he seems incapable of expanding that.

Remember how the internet kept saying that any minute now, Ron Paul would surprise the world and blow away the field and then he'd get like 2% of the vote on primary day? Yang is the democratic Ron Paul...the internet's over-estimated candidate.

[Maineiacs]

Considering he's not even close to getting double digits in the polls, what are you basing this on?
He seems to have a very dedicated niche covered, but he seems incapable of expanding that.

Remember how the internet kept saying that any minute now, Ron Paul would surprise the world and blow away the field and then he'd get like 2% of the vote on primary day? Yang is the democratic Ron Paul...the internet's over-estimated candidate.

Yang doesn't make nearly as good a meme as Paul did.

[Grahnol]

Okay, so, my thoughts on this election season? I feel that many Democrats lack ambition, appeal and are restricting more than they should. It's simply disgusting to see how the party has become, becoming quite close to outright socialism in many candidates (e.g Warren and co, Bernie has already admitted). I don't want the US to become socialist or otherwise restrict the markets and Wall Street heavily, that's against a dynamic economy and restricts prosperity and directly prevents poor people from becoming better off, so I'm not going to be supporting these people.

I don't think there is much to talk about with the Republicans considering Trump is almost certainly going to become their candidate. Trump has some good ideas, embargoing trade from China and moving the economy in favour of less invasive powers, protecting free speech, etc but also has bad ideas, such as outright banning transgender people from the military, the wall, etc. All in all, I feel that it's preferable for another more capable person to become president.

As for my choice for who should become president and who would get my vote if I was American, I think Andrew Yang is my top pick. He has ambition, doesn't support expensive 'progressive' reforms such as a $15 minimum wage, outright stopping private insurance in favour of complete nationalisation of healthcare and provides solutions to long-term problems which I think are the most effective. He supports a UBI of $1,000, which isn't really my favourite policy of his but it is a far better solution for promoting the people's economic mobility and he knows where to get the funding which doesn't involve taxes. He also looks long-term and looks at the emerging problems that are displacing Americans the most, which he believes to be the overuse of automation. I think Yang regulating the things that remove people from employment rather than looking at the outside, which is companies in the outside doing so, is more effective.

On the same topic, he also supports 'human-centred capitalism', an economic approach that adds well-being to the equation of capitalism which I think is far better than the brute force tactic of restricting company control over money and property. Unlike most other candidates, he doesn't support bogus 'progressive' intrusive policies. For example, he doesn't support completely open up the borders (he actually supports doing otherwise), he doesn't support overpriced healthcare plans that completely kick companies from helping the US give healthcare, he doesn't support dumb red flag laws or restricting the free choice of corporations, he doesn't support just constantly taxing the rich in extremely high amounts and he doesn't blame companies for ruining people. He instead looks closer and tries to narrow down the problem.

Another thing unique to him is his plan to vastly improve and invest in mental healthcare, which is something I haven't seen candidates talk a lot about. He is also very technology-focused and often concerns himself with what technology has allowed us to do. He is a staunch supporter of protecting the data rights of citizens.

That said, I do have some complaints about Yang, namely his gun policies are something I don't agree with. I'm for gun rights as you can tell by my sig and Yang's gun policies I think are too restrictive. That said I have some doubt he will actually bother enforcing them since it appears that he is mainly trying to attract Democrat supporters with these gun policies. Also, while I can see why one would want to reduce the voting age to 16, I'm not terribly keen on it because I feel that it is responsible adults, not late in development but still not responsible teenagers, who should be given the right to vote. But maybe I'm just more traditional than most.
I'm not entirely confident in his chances of winning, but I think he has an ok chance of winning the candidacy. And I'm going to be honest, if anyone other than Yang, Gabbard or Bernie becomes the one to face Trump, the Democrats will lose. The reason why these three stand a chance imo is because they attract voters from both Republican and Democrat sides, which allows them to starve Trump's support. Anyways, this post is long enough, sorry if I flood the thread with my posts, I just figured I give my thoughts on my picks for US President.

[The Andromeda Archipelago]

Is it just me, or are a lot of Yang supporters here reporting to the tried-and-true GOP tactic of trying to make something true by constantly repeating it?

I call this the Wizard of Oz strategy. I wouldn't be surprised if Donald Trump clicks his heels three times whenever he claims there was no collusion.

Promising Free money is about as plausible as Trumps "Build the Wall" BS.

[Valrifell]

Maybe for the first two States but I don't see Biden dropping out so soon. He would have to catastrophically fall for that to happen. Not to mention, to get delegates, you need 15% or more of the vote, which only three people can do that for most States, and that's Biden, Warren, and Sanders. Buttigieg is a wild card but he and Yang are not going to go as far as you think.

Yang's going to have a breakout moment. That I'm sure of.

Eeeehhhh

[Valrifell]

I don't see Biden dropping out until May of next year. He's gonna stick until the primaries in the Northeast, including PA which he should win quite easily.

Well, unless he has a complete tanker on Super Tuesday he'll go the distance until he reaches a moment where it's clear Warren or Sanders has beat him. He might be set up for what has taken out many front runners before him, with Warren making in roads and in some cases leading in early states.

Remember how inevitable Clinton and Giuliani were in 2008 where their campaigns counted on Florida/Super Tuesday results but losing those early states sank them both, tempering their Super Tuesday totals and giving the people behind them the air they needed to take both front runners down.

If Biden comes in second in Iowa and New Hampshire that might be enough to make Warren the front runner, but like Clinton he'll still have enough vote share and support to stay in the fight until a clear winner emerges.

Sanders is the king of lost causes, he'll stay in until long after his loss is a foregone conclusion.

As is usually the case but more exaggerated here because of the number of candidates, New Hampshire and Iowa will be a bloodbath. Most of the under 2% crowd will bow out not able to fund competing on Super Tuesday. After ST we'll probably lose the Buttigieg and Harris'.

I thought Jimmy Carter proved that hedging your bets on early states was the way to get attention during primary season, moving the chips to Super Tuesday hasn't worked out in a while, if ever.

If that's Biden's strategy, it's a losing one.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Remember how the internet kept saying that any minute now, Ron Paul would surprise the world and blow away the field and then he'd get like 2% of the vote on primary day? Yang is the democratic Ron Paul...the internet's over-estimated candidate.

Yang doesn't make nearly as good a meme as Paul did.

Yang is an incredible meme, but Ron Paul? He's a legend of a meme.

[Cannot think of a name]

Well, unless he has a complete tanker on Super Tuesday he'll go the distance until he reaches a moment where it's clear Warren or Sanders has beat him. He might be set up for what has taken out many front runners before him, with Warren making in roads and in some cases leading in early states.

Remember how inevitable Clinton and Giuliani were in 2008 where their campaigns counted on Florida/Super Tuesday results but losing those early states sank them both, tempering their Super Tuesday totals and giving the people behind them the air they needed to take both front runners down.

If Biden comes in second in Iowa and New Hampshire that might be enough to make Warren the front runner, but like Clinton he'll still have enough vote share and support to stay in the fight until a clear winner emerges.

Sanders is the king of lost causes, he'll stay in until long after his loss is a foregone conclusion.

As is usually the case but more exaggerated here because of the number of candidates, New Hampshire and Iowa will be a bloodbath. Most of the under 2% crowd will bow out not able to fund competing on Super Tuesday. After ST we'll probably lose the Buttigieg and Harris'.

I thought Jimmy Carter proved that hedging your bets on early states was the way to get attention during primary season, moving the chips to Super Tuesday hasn't worked out in a while, if ever.

If that's Biden's strategy, it's a losing one.

I don't think it is, but I also think that everyone NOT named Biden knows that those first two states are make or break and are pushing hard there. And even then we have one poll just now showing Warren taking over Biden there, and not by much.

I honestly couldn't believe Guiliani and Clinton did that at all, I'd be flabbergasted if anyone now was thinking "Eh, I'll make it up on Super Tuesday".

Weird racing metaphor but whatever, going into those early states it's Ferrari and Corvette. Or I guess in honor of the movie coming out, Ford vs Ferrari. Everyone expects Ferrari to win, if they win it's just what happens. But Corvette or Ford just does well, they're Rocky. If they actually win, they're Rocky II.

In a way the bar is higher for Biden. It's win or deligitimize his candidacy. Everyone else just has to have a good showing, but if they win, they're Obama or as you said Carter etc.

I can't imagine Biden's camp doesn't know this. But then, 2008 happened, so who knows.

[Grahnol]

Yang's going to have a breakout moment. That I'm sure of.

Eeeehhhh

Even as a Yang supporter I understand and have some doubts for Yang's success. I hope he wins but everything isn't looking too great for him.

Is it just me, or are a lot of Yang supporters here reporting to the tried-and-true GOP tactic of trying to make something true by constantly repeating it?

I call this the Wizard of Oz strategy. I wouldn't be surprised if Donald Trump clicks his heels three times whenever he claims there was no collusion.

Promising Free money is about as plausible as Trumps "Build the Wall" BS.

It's a sort of pattern I've noticed in bases which are very, very highly dedicated to their main subject, that they unambiguously love them and keep spitting out arguments in favour of them that they just kind of run out and start repeating them. It's pretty concerning on the Yang side although I still side with him any day because I prefer ignoring someone's supporter base in favour of the candidate itself.