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2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

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Who will surge following the debate?

Bernie
41
34%
Buttigieg
16
13%
Booker
2
2%
Warren
4
3%
Yang
21
18%
Biden
9
8%
Gabbard
16
13%
Steyer
1
1%
Klobuchar
5
4%
Harris
4
3%
 
Total votes : 119

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Postby Galloism » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:35 pm

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Galloism wrote:If they stop trying to ban substantial portions of my civil rights, I’ll stop pointing it out.

To Obama’s credit, I appreciated him signing that law that allows carriage in national parks. That law never made sense - there’s bears.

Only in America are guns considered human rights, as if they are an innate part of the human anatomy and zeitgeist rather than something that took centuries to be invented and refined.

Christ.

Well, I wouldn’t say guns exactly - but arms. When phasers are invented, they will be covered under the 2nd amendment, in the same way speech on the Internet is covered by the first.

Arms have existed basically as long as humans have. Rocks became knives became swords became bows and the crossbows and then guns and eventually ray guns most likely.

Arms go back to the beginning of what we understand to be human, and probably before.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:38 pm

Galloism wrote:Arms go back to the beginning of what we understand to be human, and probably before.

So does rape.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:38 pm

Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:Arms go back to the beginning of what we understand to be human, and probably before.

So does rape.


One of these things is not like the other.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:42 pm

Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:Arms go back to the beginning of what we understand to be human, and probably before.

So does rape.

Also true, as does murder, breathing, eating plants, and arguing about how things should be handled.

But in point of fact, the objection that guns are, historical terms, modern, so aren’t rights doesn’t make any sense. Arms go back as far as humans.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:45 pm

Galloism wrote:
Kowani wrote:So does rape.

Also true, as does murder, breathing, eating plants, and arguing about how things should be handled.

But in point of fact, the objection that guns are, historical terms, modern, so aren’t rights doesn’t make any sense. Arms go back as far as humans.


The whole "When the constitution was written" thing is the worst brand of that TBH.

I mean, what? You really want people to shoot up a school with a fucking carronade?
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Postby Galloism » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:51 pm

Telconi wrote:
Galloism wrote:Also true, as does murder, breathing, eating plants, and arguing about how things should be handled.

But in point of fact, the objection that guns are, historical terms, modern, so aren’t rights doesn’t make any sense. Arms go back as far as humans.


The whole "When the constitution was written" thing is the worst brand of that TBH.

I mean, what? You really want people to shoot up a school with a fucking carronade?

It doesn’t even make sense.

We got the right to bear arms from the English, who not only had a right to bear arms but a requirement to have them under the Assize of Arms (1181), who themselves got it from the Germanic tribes, for whom we have documentation of this right and duty dating at least as far back as 690.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Galloism wrote:I know a chimp or two that can meet that criteria.

My two dogs would be better leaders.

I love dogs and respect cats. I like Trump for many obvious reasons related to my political viewpoints and my pet issue on NS, which we all know what it is, so I wont say the word.
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Postby Bombadil » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:Yes, I considered this possibility too.

I agree with someone younger but a all female ticket im not sure about. I think the party would want geographic balance which is why i think Mayor Pete would be an ideal choice.


I'm already dreading the tweets if Trump's up against a female and a gay candidate. Personally I think Beto is not a bad choice as a balanced ticket.

Frankly I'm dreading the tweets regardless.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:54 pm

Galloism wrote:
Telconi wrote:
The whole "When the constitution was written" thing is the worst brand of that TBH.

I mean, what? You really want people to shoot up a school with a fucking carronade?

It doesn’t even make sense.

We got the right to bear arms from the English, who not only had a right to bear arms but a requirement to have them under the Assize of Arms (1181), who themselves got it from the Germanic tribes, for whom we have documentation of this right and duty dating at least as far back as 690.

So what does this have to do with the 2019 primaries? Go to the Gun Show thread if you want to incessantly moon over firearms.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:56 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Galloism wrote:It doesn’t even make sense.

We got the right to bear arms from the English, who not only had a right to bear arms but a requirement to have them under the Assize of Arms (1181), who themselves got it from the Germanic tribes, for whom we have documentation of this right and duty dating at least as far back as 690.

So what does this have to do with the 2019 primaries? Go to the Gun Show thread if you want to incessantly moon over firearms.


"What do political issues relevant to the selection of a president have to do with selecting a president?"

Really Gauth?
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:57 pm

Bombadil wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I agree with someone younger but a all female ticket im not sure about. I think the party would want geographic balance which is why i think Mayor Pete would be an ideal choice.


I'm already dreading the tweets if Trump's up against a female and a gay candidate. Personally I think Beto is not a bad choice as a balanced ticket.

Frankly I'm dreading the tweets regardless.

It could seriously backfire. He got serious blowback for the go back to to your country tweets. Attacking Mayor Pete’s sexuality would not go over well even with some Republicans. A majority of the country supports LGBT rights

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Postby Gormwood » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
I'm already dreading the tweets if Trump's up against a female and a gay candidate. Personally I think Beto is not a bad choice as a balanced ticket.

Frankly I'm dreading the tweets regardless.

It could seriously backfire. He got serious blowback for the go back to to your country tweets. Attacking Mayor Pete’s sexuality would not go over well even with some Republicans. A majority of the country supports LGBT rights

Please. Donny is a geriatric spoiled brat with a blank check. If he started making homophobic Tweets the Log Cabin Republicans would volunteer to go under the bus and put up a mild objection that people sneer at regarding the United Nations at best.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:02 pm

Gormwood wrote:
San Lumen wrote:It could seriously backfire. He got serious blowback for the go back to to your country tweets. Attacking Mayor Pete’s sexuality would not go over well even with some Republicans. A majority of the country supports LGBT rights

Please. Donny is a geriatric spoiled brat with a blank check. If he started making homophobic Tweets the Log Cabin Republicans would volunteer to go under the bus and put up a mild objection that people sneer at regarding the United Nations at best.

Jared Polis had some minor stuff said about him during the campaign. Now you can call him Governor of Colorado

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Postby Galloism » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:03 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Galloism wrote:It doesn’t even make sense.

We got the right to bear arms from the English, who not only had a right to bear arms but a requirement to have them under the Assize of Arms (1181), who themselves got it from the Germanic tribes, for whom we have documentation of this right and duty dating at least as far back as 690.

So what does this have to do with the 2019 primaries? Go to the Gun Show thread if you want to incessantly moon over firearms.

When O’Rourke says he wants to take an entire class of firearms away from us, it should be viewed no less egregiously than taking a whole class of speech - say speech online - away from us because a few people cause harm from talking on the internet.

Basically, he hates America. And England. And the Germanic tribes.

Happy?
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Postby Bombadil » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:05 pm

Telconi wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So what does this have to do with the 2019 primaries? Go to the Gun Show thread if you want to incessantly moon over firearms.


"What do political issues relevant to the selection of a president have to do with selecting a president?"

Really Gauth?


It's moved quite far from being relevant to a basic discussion of the 2nd Amendment.. there's a thread for that.

At best for the moment Beto can run with it for headlines, personally I don't see any changes given a Republican run Senate. I don't see it making him a prime contender either.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:05 pm

Galloism wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So what does this have to do with the 2019 primaries? Go to the Gun Show thread if you want to incessantly moon over firearms.

When O’Rourke says he wants to take an entire class of firearms away from us, it should be viewed no less egregiously than taking a whole class of speech - say speech online - away from us because a few people cause harm from talking on the internet.

Basically, he hates America. And England. And the Germanic tribes.

Happy?

Go to the Gun Show already.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:07 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Telconi wrote:
"What do political issues relevant to the selection of a president have to do with selecting a president?"

Really Gauth?


It's moved quite far from being relevant to a basic discussion of the 2nd Amendment.. there's a thread for that.

At best for the moment Beto can run with it for headlines, personally I don't see any changes given a Republican run Senate. I don't see it making him a prime contender either.


It should land him in a fucking CIA black site, but alas, no luck with that.
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-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Uiiop » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:09 pm

Telconi wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
It's moved quite far from being relevant to a basic discussion of the 2nd Amendment.. there's a thread for that.

At best for the moment Beto can run with it for headlines, personally I don't see any changes given a Republican run Senate. I don't see it making him a prime contender either.


It should land him in a fucking CIA black site, but alas, no luck with that.

All that can come up to reply to this is :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHC1230OpOg
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Postby Galloism » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:09 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Telconi wrote:
"What do political issues relevant to the selection of a president have to do with selecting a president?"

Really Gauth?


It's moved quite far from being relevant to a basic discussion of the 2nd Amendment.. there's a thread for that.

At best for the moment Beto can run with it for headlines, personally I don't see any changes given a Republican run Senate. I don't see it making him a prime contender either.

One of the reason I'm hopeful for Sanders. He talks about it now some during the primaries, but I don't think he really is interested in going after the guns. He comes from a notoriously gun friendly state, hasn't really taken actions against our gun rights before, and has far bigger fish to fry in his mind.

I think he might be the first candidate in a while not overtly hostile to a constitutional right.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:10 pm

Telconi wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
It's moved quite far from being relevant to a basic discussion of the 2nd Amendment.. there's a thread for that.

At best for the moment Beto can run with it for headlines, personally I don't see any changes given a Republican run Senate. I don't see it making him a prime contender either.


It should land him in a fucking CIA black site, but alas, no luck with that.

We can add free speech to things your against too. Nice to know you support locking up political opponents like any good dictator

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Postby Uiiop » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:14 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
It should land him in a fucking CIA black site, but alas, no luck with that.

We can add free speech to things your against too. Nice to know you support locking up political opponents like any good dictator

CIA Black Site entails a lot more than "Locking up".

Damn talk about a self own on his part.

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Postby Galloism » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:14 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
It should land him in a fucking CIA black site, but alas, no luck with that.

We can add free speech to things your against too. Nice to know you support locking up political opponents like any good dictator

Of course Beto shouldn't be in a black site.

But if people had good feelings about their constitutional rights, his numbers should crater and he should bow out in shame. Sadly, that probably won't happen.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:16 pm

Galloism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:We can add free speech to things your against too. Nice to know you support locking up political opponents like any good dictator

Of course Beto shouldn't be in a black site.

But if people had good feelings about their constitutional rights, his numbers should crater and he should bow out in shame. Sadly, that probably won't happen.

Telconi is someone who said the peaceful transfer of power shouldn’t be respected

It is up to donors and voters to decide his fate

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Postby Galloism » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Galloism wrote:Of course Beto shouldn't be in a black site.

But if people had good feelings about their constitutional rights, his numbers should crater and he should bow out in shame. Sadly, that probably won't happen.

Telconi is someone who said the peaceful transfer of power shouldn’t be respected

It is up to donors and voters to decide his fate

Yes. It is.

After 2016, I don't have a lot of confidence in correct decisions being made, but that is the proper way to make them.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Bombadil » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:19 pm

Galloism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:We can add free speech to things your against too. Nice to know you support locking up political opponents like any good dictator

Of course Beto shouldn't be in a black site.

But if people had good feelings about their constitutional rights, his numbers should crater and he should bow out in shame. Sadly, that probably won't happen.


Most Americans are in favour of greater gun control, but then a great number care about climate change and so far there's been hardly any airtime at all on the subject.

I would like one candidate to tire of the same old tedious questions asked and go 'ok everyone, I'm going to ignore this question and talk about climate change'.
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