2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

[Bear Stearns]

Gabbard, in her critique of Hillary, has said that the corporate media is operating against her. This is largely true.

A common talking point from people outside the ideological lockstep of the party not doing so hot in the polls.

It's almost as if there is a correlation between media support and poll performance. It explains why the media was so shocked when Trump won.

[Duhon]

Tulsi Gabbard just trashed Hillary Clinton publicly after Hillary suggested she was a Russian asset and it was glorious.

she was right to do so, given that hillary basically laid it thick without any bloody sauce
i may not be against hillary per se, but this is poor form coming from her

[Northern Davincia]

Gabbard, in her critique of Hillary, has said that the corporate media is operating against her. This is largely true.

A common talking point from people outside the ideological lockstep of the party not doing so hot in the polls.

And it's also a valid talking point. Once Ron Paul was getting popular, Fox News shut him out. A similar thing is being done to Gabbard, but more malicious.

[Ifreann]

I dunno, man, ranting on the twitters about how Hillary is some kind of shadowy puppetmaster, controlling the media? Sounds like the kind of shit you hear from people who think Jewish lizard people did 9/11.

Quite.

Everyone knows it was the Catholic lizard people.

The lizard pope is the true enemy.

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You never heard of vote splitting?

Why is that actually a problem? People should be able to vote for who they want. If a vote is split because of that and no one gets a majority, we have procedures in place.

It's a problem because you have a stupid electoral system in which votes for a third party candidate really just hurt some other candidates chances of winning, generally the candidate closest to them politically.

[Ifreann]

How?

Clinton ain't shit.

Gabbard, in her critique of Hillary, has said that the corporate media is operating against her. This is largely true.

And we know this is true because...?

Because Gabbard said so?

[Northern Davincia]

Gabbard, in her critique of Hillary, has said that the corporate media is operating against her. This is largely true.

And we know this is true because...?

Because Gabbard said so?

The media has pushed the Russian conspiracy onto her multiple times before Clinton brought it up.
For example...

[Izandai]

Quite.

Everyone knows it was the Catholic lizard people.

The lizard pope is the true enemy.

Imagine believing in 2019 that the Lizard Pope is a distinct entity from the normal pope.

[South Odreria 2]

Gabbard, in her critique of Hillary, has said that the corporate media is operating against her. This is largely true.

A common talking point from people outside the ideological lockstep of the party not doing so hot in the polls.

Yeah, but also from people inside the ideological lockstep of the party, like Biden and Harris supporters. And now even some Warren supporters, now that the media is turning more negative on her.

[South Odreria 2]

Yeah, but also from people inside the ideological lockstep of the party, like Biden and Harris supporters. And now even some Warren supporters, now that the media is turning more negative on her.

Yang too.

True, though his complaints are more justified than most.

Gabbard to Clinton:

It’s now clear that this primary is between you and me. Don’t cowardly hide behind your proxies. Join the race directly.

:thumbsup:

[Ifreann]

And we know this is true because...?

Because Gabbard said so?

The media has pushed the Russian conspiracy onto her multiple times before Clinton brought it up.
For example...

And are they doing that because of a Clinton-led conspiracy against Gabbard? How would we distinguish that from sincere reporting of buzz around Russia supporting Gabbard?

[Valrifell]

A common talking point from people outside the ideological lockstep of the party not doing so hot in the polls.

And it's also a valid talking point. Once Ron Paul was getting popular, Fox News shut him out. A similar thing is being done to Gabbard, but more malicious.

So your argument is that the corporate media is shutting down isolationist candidates because *mumble* *mumble*

[Valrifell]

A common talking point from people outside the ideological lockstep of the party not doing so hot in the polls.

It's almost as if there is a correlation between media support and poll performance. It explains why the media was so shocked when Trump won.

Y'all need to stop using the term "the media" incorrectly. Minor note but a pet peeve, you mean the news media.

Said as if Trump was somehow a threat to their oligopoly, if anything he was a boon. Regardless they're too stupid and self-interested to collude on a scale you accuse and allude to, and one of larger syndicates for news media, Sinclair, has a known pro-Trump bent.

So, shucks, there goes your boogeyman I guess. Now you'll have to come up with actual arguments.

[Valrifell]

Yang too.

True, though his complaints are more justified than most.

Gabbard to Clinton:

It’s now clear that this primary is between you and me. Don’t cowardly hide behind your proxies. Join the race directly.

:thumbsup:

Gabbard, an also-ran who's ideas are fringe in the party, not polling well (shocked pikachu): "this primary is about me"

Fucking lmao.

[South Odreria 2]

It's almost as if there is a correlation between media support and poll performance. It explains why the media was so shocked when Trump won.

Y'all need to stop using the term "the media" incorrectly. Minor note but a pet peeve, you mean the news media.

Said as if Trump was somehow a threat to their oligopoly, if anything he was a boon. Regardless they're too stupid and self-interested to collude on a scale you accuse and allide to, and one of larger syndicates for news media, Sinclair, has a known pro-Trump bent.

So, shucks, there goes your boogeyman I guess. Now you'll have to come up with actual arguments.

Didn't a lot of news media people intentionally elevate Trump, knowing he was good for ratings? Like

"It may not be good for America, but it's damn good for CBS,"

[Northern Davincia]

The media has pushed the Russian conspiracy onto her multiple times before Clinton brought it up.
For example...

And are they doing that because of a Clinton-led conspiracy against Gabbard? How would we distinguish that from sincere reporting of buzz around Russia supporting Gabbard?

I wouldn't imagine it to be strictly Clinton-led. Clinton is contributing to the conspiracy, absolutely. If there is genuine reporting on the issue, there will be actual evidence asserting a link between Gabbard and Russia.
Being anti-war is not a link.

And it's also a valid talking point. Once Ron Paul was getting popular, Fox News shut him out. A similar thing is being done to Gabbard, but more malicious.

So your argument is that the corporate media is shutting down isolationist candidates because *mumble* *mumble*

Fox News was coming out of the interventionist Bush era, so it's no wonder they'd silence Paul. If I'm taking the most cynical approach possible, wars generate lots of buzz.
If I'm taking a more realistic approach, the media interprets hesitance to go to war as an opening for America's enemies, and they're acting out of some insane altruism.

[Northern Davincia]

True, though his complaints are more justified than most.

Gabbard to Clinton: :thumbsup:

Gabbard, an also-ran who's ideas are fringe in the party, not polling well (shocked pikachu): "this primary is about me"

Fucking lmao.

Being a moderate is fringe?

[South Odreria 2]

Gabbard's attacks are obviously way overboard and stupid, but it shows how petty and vindictive Clinton is that she still wants revenge on the only candidate that supported Sanders last time.

[Valrifell]

Gabbard, an also-ran who's ideas are fringe in the party, not polling well (shocked pikachu): "this primary is about me"

Fucking lmao.

Being a moderate is fringe?

From your perspective I imagine Gabbard would seem moderate. Then again, I've never been one to trust judgements from right-libertarians with frogs in their profile pics.

Gabbard isn't reflective of the standard views of your average Democrat. Which is a problem, since she wants to win an election of (mostly) Democrats.

[Valrifell]

Gabbard's attacks are obviously way overboard and stupid, but it shows how petty and vindictive Clinton is that she still wants revenge on the only candidate that supported Sanders last time.

Guessing at motives isn't healthy.

That said Clinton should keep out of the limelight, it's not good for anyone.

[Northern Davincia]

Being a moderate is fringe?

From your perspective I imagine Gabbard would seem moderate. Then again, I've never been one to trust judgements from right-libertarians with frogs in their profile pics.

Gabbard isn't reflective of the standard views of your average Democrat. Which is a problem, since she wants to win an election of (mostly) Democrats.

It wasn't a problem when she won in a heavily Democratic state.

[The Andromeda Archipelago]

And "acting presidential" lmfao that is an elitist smokescreen that people throw up in place of having an actual position. Who cares that your policies are horrible as long as you speak like an Ivy Leaguer and use the correct buzzwords.

As someone who works in banking, I see that bullshit every day, and it's really not that impressive.

It's a tragic sign of the times that once common qualities like basic dignity are dismissed as bullshit.

It's a tragic sign of the times that someone who claims to work in banking sees basic dignity as nothing more than "an elitist smokescreen."

I feel profoundly sorry for you. Maybe, when you finally gain some basic dignity, you'll understand why.

[The Andromeda Archipelago]

Being a moderate is fringe?

From your perspective I imagine Gabbard would seem moderate. Then again, I've never been one to trust judgements from right-libertarians with frogs in their profile pics.

Gabbard isn't reflective of the standard views of your average Democrat. Which is a problem, since she wants to win an election of (mostly) Democrats.

It's oh so telling that the posters most quickly jumping to Gabbard's defense all resemble Pepe the Frog.

It's almost as if Hillary was spot on. She didn't even have to mention Gabbard by name to get a response from her.

Gabbard's campaign just went croak!

[Valrifell]

From your perspective I imagine Gabbard would seem moderate. Then again, I've never been one to trust judgements from right-libertarians with frogs in their profile pics.

Gabbard isn't reflective of the standard views of your average Democrat. Which is a problem, since she wants to win an election of (mostly) Democrats.

It wasn't a problem when she won in a heavily Democratic state.

The politics for any given state is different for the politics of a different office at a higher level.

[Telconi]

And "acting presidential" lmfao that is an elitist smokescreen that people throw up in place of having an actual position. Who cares that your policies are horrible as long as you speak like an Ivy Leaguer and use the correct buzzwords.

As someone who works in banking, I see that bullshit every day, and it's really not that impressive.

It's a tragic sign of the times that once common qualities like basic dignity are dismissed as bullshit.

It's a tragic sign of the times that someone who claims to work in banking sees basic dignity as nothing more than "an elitist smokescreen."

I feel profoundly sorry for you. Maybe, when you finally gain some basic dignity, you'll understand why.

"""Basic dignity"""

[Ifreann]

And are they doing that because of a Clinton-led conspiracy against Gabbard? How would we distinguish that from sincere reporting of buzz around Russia supporting Gabbard?

I wouldn't imagine it to be strictly Clinton-led. Clinton is contributing to the conspiracy, absolutely. If there is genuine reporting on the issue, there will be actual evidence asserting a link between Gabbard and Russia.
Being anti-war is not a link.

Neither article asserts "Gabbard is a Russian puppet".

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Gabbard, an also-ran who's ideas are fringe in the party, not polling well (shocked pikachu): "this primary is about me"

Fucking lmao.

Being a moderate is fringe?

Getting fuck all support is fringe.