2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

[Shrillland]

Oh, come now, Lumen. For a while in '08 I thought that supporting Obama since he was seen as the left was, in Petain's words, "Fusion with a corpse." Sanders has a shot to win, but I don't think it'll be easy. I never thought it would be easy for anyone though.

Obama isnt Sanders. I have serious doubts about him winning and not causing serious down ballot damage

In any event, it's irrelevant. Sanders doesn't have all the party keys he needs. Biden's got the majority of them and figures the progressives will just follow his lead and vote for him.

[Gormwood]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... si_Gabbard
Yeah I can see Trump supporting all these policies....

She brings it up because it's the one unique thing about her that all of the other Democratic Candidates don't have.

None of them have any real military service so that makes her the token military person.... she couldn't take the "Vote for me I'm a Girl" angle because Warren beat her too it.
Her military identity has been part of her entire political career since she started being in congress. And it works for her, so of course that's what she goes with as her image.

"I'm a woman soldier and I don't think soldiers like me should die to make rich people richer".

A Democratic military veteran opposing war. That sure worked out awesomely for John Kerry.

[San Lumen]

Obama isnt Sanders. I have serious doubts about him winning and not causing serious down ballot damage

In any event, it's irrelevant. Sanders doesn't have all the party keys he needs. Biden's got the majority of them and figures the progressives will just follow his lead and vote for him.

I hope democrats rally behind the nominee whoever it is

[Shrillland]

A Democratic military veteran opposing war. That sure worked out awesomely for John Kerry.

Nah, Kerry had other problems besides that. The Swift Boat mess was just icing on the cake. His perceived elitism and lack of coherent plans besides "I'll do everything Bush is doing but better: was far worse for him. Not to mention that '04 was the Morality Election.

[USS Monitor]

A Democratic military veteran opposing war. That sure worked out awesomely for John Kerry.

Kerry's big problem was being boring as fuck.

Gabbard's problem is that she has no substance and she's just not honest. At all.

They're very different candidates and I don't think it makes a lot of sense to draw parallels.

[Tarsonis]

In any event, it's irrelevant. Sanders doesn't have all the party keys he needs. Biden's got the majority of them and figures the progressives will just follow his lead and vote for him.

I hope democrats rally behind the nominee whoever it is

They should nominate someone who unites the party then.

[Shrillland]

I hope democrats rally behind the nominee whoever it is

They should nominate someone who unites the party then.

They will. We always have these fights in primary season and we always rally around the ultimate winner, just as Republicans are wont to do.

[Bear Stearns]

And Iran, Iran so far away.
And Iran, Iran all night and day.

[San Lumen]

They should nominate someone who unites the party then.

They will. We always have these fights in primary season and we always rally around the ultimate winner, just as Republicans are wont to do.

They didn’t in 2016

[South Odreria 2]

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ru ... -endorsers
Pete Buttigieg accused of running for president.

[Bear Stearns]

They will. We always have these fights in primary season and we always rally around the ultimate winner, just as Republicans are wont to do.

They didn’t in 2016

Trump won the Republican primary by an overwhelming landslide. His only real opposition was Ted Cruz.

Nobody actually liked Jeb Bush.

[The Lone Alliance]

and he would be destroyed in a general election cause much down ballot damage wiping out a lot of the gains democrats made in 2018 but Democrats will likely have to learn the hard way. if one we didnt have the stupid electoral college this wouldnt matter.

Yes and a Democratic Jeb Bush is going to win everything.

[Jerzylvania]

They didn’t in 2016

Trump won the Republican primary by an overwhelming landslide. His only real opposition was Ted Cruz.

Nobody actually liked Jeb Bush.

No wonder. He aided and abetted W in the FL recount incident. W turned out lousy for the GOP. Of course no one liked Jeb! by 2016.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

They should nominate someone who unites the party then.

They will. We always have these fights in primary season and we always rally around the ultimate winner, just as Republicans are wont to do.

Why rally around a corporate shill who’s closer to Trump and continues making the rich richer?

[Jerzylvania]

A Democratic military veteran opposing war. That sure worked out awesomely for John Kerry.

Kerry's big problem was being boring as fuck.

Gabbard's problem is that she has no substance and she's just not honest. At all.

They're very different candidates and I don't think it makes a lot of sense to draw parallels.

Agreed. John Kerry was also a US Senator for a good long while as opposed to Gabbard the upstart newcomer.

Making of parallels usually doesn't end up with the picture being quite straight.

[The Lone Alliance]

In any event, it's irrelevant. Sanders doesn't have all the party keys he needs. Biden's got the majority of them and figures the progressives will just follow his lead and vote for him.

The same strategy as 2016 in other words?

[Myrensis]

In any event, it's irrelevant. Sanders doesn't have all the party keys he needs. Biden's got the majority of them and figures the progressives will just follow his lead and vote for him.

The same strategy as 2016 in other words?

Presumably he intends to actually campaign in the midwest and rust belt. You know, the places where Clinton actually lost the election, not in the bastions of progressivism.

[United States of Devonta]

The same strategy as 2016 in other words?

Presumably he intends to actually campaign in the midwest and rust belt. You know, the places where Clinton actually lost the election, not in the bastions of progressivism.

Cool, Bernie does too.

[North Prarie]

Presumably he intends to actually campaign in the midwest and rust belt. You know, the places where Clinton actually lost the election, not in the bastions of progressivism.

Cool, Bernie does too.

I think any candidate intends to campaign in the rust belt at this point. After 2016, that would be the dumbest mistake you can make.
Minnesota. Wisconsin. Michigan. Ohio. Devote most of your resources there (and to getting out the black vote)
we could also elect the candidate from the rust belt - pete 2020!

[South Odreria 2]

Obama isnt Sanders. I have serious doubts about him winning and not causing serious down ballot damage

The Democratic party was absolutely massacred down ballot under Obama.

[Cannot think of a name]

Obama isnt Sanders. I have serious doubts about him winning and not causing serious down ballot damage

The Democratic party was absolutely massacred down ballot under Obama.

In 2008? When the Democrats won a supermajority in the Senate?

[Czechostan]

Really her Foreign policy seems to be isolationist for the most part while most of her other ideas are borrowed from all the other candidates, which quite frankly isn't much different than most of the B list people running for the position.

She's not particularly isolationist--she's just opposed to regime changes. As she says in the wikipedia page you quote, "When it comes to the war against terrorists, I'm a hawk," but "when it comes to counterproductive wars of regime change, I'm a dove."

Reading the rest of the article too, she still supports a close relationship with Israel, considering them the US's strongest ally.

[The Lone Alliance]

Really her Foreign policy seems to be isolationist for the most part while most of her other ideas are borrowed from all the other candidates, which quite frankly isn't much different than most of the B list people running for the position.

She's not particularly isolationist--she's just opposed to regime changes. As she says in the wikipedia page you quote, "When it comes to the war against terrorists, I'm a hawk," but "when it comes to counterproductive wars of regime change, I'm a dove."

Reading the rest of the article too, she still supports a close relationship with Israel, considering them the US's strongest ally.

Compared to the usual US strategy of the past 60 years, not wanting Regime change wars is Isolationist.

The question is is how sincere that statement is.

Both the last two presidents said they were anti-regime change wars until they weren't.

[South Odreria 2]

The Democratic party was absolutely massacred down ballot under Obama.

In 2008? When the Democrats won a supermajority in the Senate?

Democrats controlled 27 state legislatures in 2009. Eight years later they controlled 13. Let's get some reality please.

[Cannot think of a name]

In 2008? When the Democrats won a supermajority in the Senate?

Democrats controlled 27 state legislatures in 2009. Eight years later they controlled 13. Let's get some reality please.

He was talking about the 2020 elections, so the relevant one would be 2008. The one where the Democrats also won a supermajority. Context is part of reality.