2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Unfortunately the establishment won't let her win. Can't stop those foreign wars now can we

Yeah it’s all some mass conspiracy. Define establishment for me

Military-industrial complex + Hollywood + Mainstream Media + Every Billionaire

[Shrillland]

Yeah it’s all some mass conspiracy. Define establishment for me

DNC organizers, super-delegates, and major news outlets.

Well, the superdelegates don't matter anymore, not since they were relegated to tie breakers. The DNC...well, they'll follow the popular candidates more than the less popular ones, and the news outlets just want good stories to bring in viewers. There is no establishment conspiracy, just a bunch of giants with their own agendas that happen to converge around certain individuals.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Also, Biden has received a key endorsement, this time from The International Association of Bridge, Structural and Ornamental Iron Workers.

Sanders and Warren also have big endorsements from Unions, but Unions for the most part, have stayed away this time for endorsing a candidate. Trump did win a larger number of Union voters than what a Republican usually wins in 2016 so it'll be crucial for the Democrats to have someone that supports unions strongly; that would be Biden, Sanders, and Warren.

Yeah because Trump didn’t go into coal country and tell the workers that he will shut their employer down

[The Black Forrest]

Also, Biden has received a key endorsement, this time from The International Association of Bridge, Structural and Ornamental Iron Workers.

Sanders and Warren also have big endorsements from Unions, but Unions for the most part, have stayed away this time for endorsing a candidate. Trump did win a larger number of Union voters than what a Republican usually wins in 2016 so it'll be crucial for the Democrats to have someone that supports unions strongly; that would be Biden, Sanders, and Warren.

Yeah because Trump didn’t go into coal country and tell the workers that he will shut their employer down

Is it that or is it he promised to significantly increase coal jobs? The jobs have been in decline since Reagan. There are gains and the industry thinks those will be short term.....

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/08/coal-mi ... watch.html

[Bear Stearns]

Belarus and Ukraine are members of NATO now?

This right-wing obsession with appeasing Russia by telling East European countries to fuck off and die.

By not starting wars for them, we're telling them to fuck off and die?

Why are we obligated to start wars for them? Why do you want this?

[Bear Stearns]

Me too. But it's kind of presumptuous to assume that those countries are America's to "give up" in the first place. What connection do we have to them?

We spend billions to maintain a military that can deter a Russian invasion of them.

America spends too much on its military. Way too much.

[USS Monitor]

Yeah it’s all some mass conspiracy. Define establishment for me

DNC organizers, super-delegates, and major news outlets.

Except they haven't done anything to undermine Gabbard's campaign worse than what she does to herself with her shitty campaigning and obvious fakeness.

[South Odreria 2]

DNC organizers, super-delegates, and major news outlets.

Except they haven't done anything to undermine Gabbard's campaign worse than what she does to herself with her shitty campaigning and obvious fakeness.

You realize she's not running for president because she wants to be president right?

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

DNC organizers, super-delegates, and major news outlets.

Except they haven't done anything to undermine Gabbard's campaign worse than what she does to herself with her shitty campaigning and obvious fakeness.

She has some of the best foreign policy ideas ever, I would like to potentially see her as secretary of state if not president

[Gormwood]

Yeah it’s all some mass conspiracy. Define establishment for me

Military-industrial complex + Hollywood + Mainstream Media + Every Billionaire

Charles Koch is part of the left establishment now.

[USS Monitor]

Except they haven't done anything to undermine Gabbard's campaign worse than what she does to herself with her shitty campaigning and obvious fakeness.

You realize she's not running for president because she wants to be president right?

She's probably got some ulterior motive, and not necessarily a reasonable one like looking for a cabinet seat. She's really a two-faced sack of shit.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Military-industrial complex + Hollywood + Mainstream Media + Every Billionaire

Charles Koch is part of the left establishment now.

You’re the one who added the "left" part

[Bear Stearns]

Military-industrial complex + Hollywood + Mainstream Media + Every Billionaire

Charles Koch is part of the left establishment now.

It isn't a left-right establishment. Charles Koch is supportive of open borders and mass immigration.

It's neoliberals/neocons and the 1%

[Gormwood]

Charles Koch is part of the left establishment now.

You’re the one who added the "left" part

Oh. Military industrial complex. My bad.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

You’re the one who added the "left" part

Oh. Military industrial complex. My bad.

It’s not left vs. right, it’s top vs. bottom

The establishment continues espousing hyperpartisanship because if the commoners are too busy fighting each other, they won’t realize who the real enemy is

[Teachian]

To get back on topic: Sanders widens lead in a new, New Hampshire Poll.

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Sanders has a big lead their, which should be no surprise given he won the State the last time (he has 29% in this poll). I am surprised Buttigieg is as high as he is and Warren low too. For Warren, she would need a strong showing in Iowa and New Hampshire. Otherwise, she's toast.

I’d also like to note that the bottom three categories (don’t know/none/alternate) all shrank significantly compared to what they were before. Sanders having a significant lead and double-digit gains isn’t a bad place to be, especially after most people have settled on some kind of choice.

[USS Monitor]

Except they haven't done anything to undermine Gabbard's campaign worse than what she does to herself with her shitty campaigning and obvious fakeness.

She has some of the best foreign policy ideas ever, I would like to potentially see her as secretary of state if not president

She doesn't have consistent ideals on foreign policy or any other substantive topic. She's like Trump, say anything to stir shit and get publicity.

She is not a sincere dove or she wouldn't brag so much about her military service. It's not normal to bring it up as often as she does, even if she was running on a pro-military platform -- never mind bringing it up that much when she's supposed to be anti-war.

[Idzequitch]

To get back on topic: Sanders widens lead in a new, New Hampshire Poll.

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Sanders has a big lead their, which should be no surprise given he won the State the last time (he has 29% in this poll). I am surprised Buttigieg is as high as he is and Warren low too. For Warren, she would need a strong showing in Iowa and New Hampshire. Otherwise, she's toast.

Looks like a lot of people made up their minds, and a whole lot of those who are no longer undecided went for Sanders.

[The Lone Alliance]

Also, Biden has received a key endorsement, this time from The International Association of Bridge, Structural and Ornamental Iron Workers.

Sanders and Warren also have big endorsements from Unions, but Unions for the most part, have stayed away this time for endorsing a candidate. Trump did win a larger number of Union voters than what a Republican usually wins in 2016 so it'll be crucial for the Democrats to have someone that supports unions strongly; that would be Biden, Sanders, and Warren.

Good news for Biden. Unions are also key to helping get voters out and if Unions are backing the democratic nominee if could be a big help

Really I can't see how a Union would support either party since both parties have been throwing them under the bus for awhile now.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

She has some of the best foreign policy ideas ever, I would like to potentially see her as secretary of state if not president

She doesn't have consistent ideals on foreign policy or any other substantive topic. She's like Trump, say anything to stir shit and get publicity.

She is not a sincere dove or she wouldn't brag so much about her military service. It's not normal to bring it up as often as she does, even if she was running on a pro-military platform -- never mind bringing it up that much when she's supposed to be anti-war.

The most important service you can do to your country is enlisting in the military, there is nothing to be ashamed about being a patriot

[The Lone Alliance]

She doesn't have consistent ideals on foreign policy or any other substantive topic.

Really her Foreign policy seems to be isolationist for the most part while most of her other ideas are borrowed from all the other candidates, which quite frankly isn't much different than most of the B list people running for the position.

She's like Trump, say anything to stir shit and get publicity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... si_Gabbard
Yeah I can see Trump supporting all these policies....

She is not a sincere dove or she wouldn't brag so much about her military service. It's not normal to bring it up as often as she does, even if she was running on a pro-military platform -- never mind bringing it up that much when she's supposed to be anti-war.

She brings it up because it's the one unique thing about her that all of the other Democratic Candidates don't have.

None of them have any real military service so that makes her the token military person.... she couldn't take the "Vote for me I'm a Girl" angle because Warren beat her too it.
Her military identity has been part of her entire political career since she started being in congress. And it works for her, so of course that's what she goes with as her image.

"I'm a woman soldier and I don't think soldiers like me should die to make rich people richer".

[USS Monitor]

She doesn't have consistent ideals on foreign policy or any other substantive topic. She's like Trump, say anything to stir shit and get publicity.

She is not a sincere dove or she wouldn't brag so much about her military service. It's not normal to bring it up as often as she does, even if she was running on a pro-military platform -- never mind bringing it up that much when she's supposed to be anti-war.

The most important service you can do to your country is enlisting in the military, there is nothing to be ashamed about being a patriot

That is inconsistent with the ideal of becoming a less militaristic and aggressive country.

If you are anti-war, but you would be willing to serve in the event of a national crisis, you can enlist when that crisis arrives. There's no reason to enlist pre-emptively and risk being sent to wage wars of aggression.

And there's definitely no reason to brag about your military background every time you open your mouth unless you are glorifying war.

Buttigieg is ex-military too, and I don't think he is ashamed of his service, but he still doesn't brag about it as much as Gabbard does.

[San Lumen]

To get back on topic: Sanders widens lead in a new, New Hampshire Poll.

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Sanders has a big lead their, which should be no surprise given he won the State the last time (he has 29% in this poll). I am surprised Buttigieg is as high as he is and Warren low too. For Warren, she would need a strong showing in Iowa and New Hampshire. Otherwise, she's toast.

Looks like a lot of people made up their minds, and a whole lot of those who are no longer undecided went for Sanders.

and he would be destroyed in a general election cause much down ballot damage wiping out a lot of the gains democrats made in 2018 but Democrats will likely have to learn the hard way. if one we didnt have the stupid electoral college this wouldnt matter.

[Shrillland]

Looks like a lot of people made up their minds, and a whole lot of those who are no longer undecided went for Sanders.

and he would be destroyed in a general election cause much down ballot damage wiping out a lot of the gains democrats made in 2018 but Democrats will likely have to learn the hard way. if one we didnt have the stupid electoral college this wouldnt matter.

Oh, come now, Lumen. For a while in '08 I thought that supporting Obama since he was seen as the left was, in Petain's words, "Fusion with a corpse." Sanders has a shot to win, but I don't think it'll be easy. I never thought it would be easy for anyone though.

[San Lumen]

and he would be destroyed in a general election cause much down ballot damage wiping out a lot of the gains democrats made in 2018 but Democrats will likely have to learn the hard way. if one we didnt have the stupid electoral college this wouldnt matter.

Oh, come now, Lumen. For a while in '08 I thought that supporting Obama since he was seen as the left was, in Petain's words, "Fusion with a corpse." Sanders has a shot to win, but I don't think it'll be easy. I never thought it would be easy for anyone though.

Obama isnt Sanders. I have serious doubts about him winning and not causing serious down ballot damage