2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

[Shrillland]

Gladly: https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/county ... s/marshall

https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/county/illinois/peoria

Yes, ours is lower, and we aren't as bad as some urban neighbourhoods, but neither are we somehow cleaner just because we're sparsely populated and mostly white.

when did race become apart of this?

When Bear Stearns was less-than-subtly hinting that race was a factor in how cities like Portland and Iowa City were such blue success stories but not cities like Chicago or Baltimore.

Anyway, I won't go into it too much further as it always ends up leading to someone getting banned for saying the wrong thing.

[New Paine]

Maybe you just aren't willing to accept the obvious evidence of Russian interefence because you are unpatriotic and secretly want to live under a corrupt, tyrannical dictatorship like Russia?

I find it funny how the dems can sit there and say this similar to the above

yet it's they who talk about removing statutes and painting, changing names(im not just referring to southerners, im talking people like george washington himself), say that the constitution is just a piece of paper, say that the electoral college needs to be removed, say "no borders and no walls" and that america is "a nation on stolen land" and impose higher and higher taxes/regulations on society in just about every way.

yeah, they are the real patriots...it sounds like they don't even want the fucking country to exist.

I see you bringing up a host of other issues that are not related to the fact that our election had interface by hostile nation. Trump loves Russia mainly because they give up good deals on real estate. Most Trump lovers love Russia because Trump tells them to. The intellectual wing of the Trump lovers love Russia because they ideological agree with Putin that western Democracy and Republicanism have failed and we need to become more authoritarian.

[Bear Stearns]

It was always bullshit from the start.

The funny thing is, if Democrats wanted to pin Trump on colluding with a foreign power, Israel and Saudi Arabia would be pretty easy wins. I wonder why they don't fight those battles :^)

He isn't? Ok what serious thing has he done against Putin or Russia?

His personal relationship with Netanyahu and the Crown Prince tell otherwise.

And what has he done against Putin or Russia besides behind more Russian deaths than any American president since Wilson? He has also kept sanctions against Russia, threatened to go to war with Russia's major ally (Iran), and continues to arm pro-US groups in Ukraine.

[Nazeroth]

I find it funny how the dems can sit there and say this similar to the above

yet it's they who talk about removing statutes and painting, changing names(im not just referring to southerners, im talking people like george washington himself), say that the constitution is just a piece of paper, say that the electoral college needs to be removed, say "no borders and no walls" and that america is "a nation on stolen land" and impose higher and higher taxes/regulations on society in just about every way.

yeah, they are the real patriots...it sounds like they don't even want the fucking country to exist.

I see you bringing up a host of other issues that are not related to the fact that our election was corrupted by hostile nation. Trump loves Russia mainly because they give up good deals on real estate. Most Trump lovers love Russia because Trump tells them to. The intellectual wing of the Trump lovers love Russia because they ideological agree with Putin that western Democracy and Republicanism have failed and we need to become more authoritarian.

No, Trump supporters like Russia because it has become a more conservative and religous place.

I wish we had these russophobic Democrats when the Soviet Union was around.

[Bear Stearns]

Oh dear, I see another “race realism” debate incoming....

I just gave the answer as I saw it, I don't think that just being in a minority group makes you more prone to crime, I live in a similar rural community that's almost entirely white, and we have a lot of crime ourselves.

West Virginia's crime rate is less than half of the national average.

[Shrillland]

I see you bringing up a host of other issues that are not related to the fact that our election was corrupted by hostile nation. Trump loves Russia mainly because they give up good deals on real estate. Most Trump lovers love Russia because Trump tells them to. The intellectual wing of the Trump lovers love Russia because they ideological agree with Putin that western Democracy and Republicanism have failed and we need to become more authoritarian.

No, Trump supporters like Russia because it has become a more conservative and religous place.

I wish we had these russophobic Democrats when the Soviet Union was around.

We did. Who do you think was president during the Cuban Missile Crisis?

[Bear Stearns]

It was always bullshit from the start.

The funny thing is, if Democrats wanted to pin Trump on colluding with a foreign power, Israel and Saudi Arabia would be pretty easy wins. I wonder why they don't fight those battles :^)

Maybe you just aren't willing to accept the obvious evidence of Russian interefence because you are unpatriotic and secretly want to live under a corrupt, tyrannical dictatorship like Russia?

What obvious evidence? We had a whole investigation that turned up inconclusive at best.

But right, I'm "unpatriotic" and secretly work for the Russians and want to live in Russia because...reasons. This is why people hate you guys.

[Nazeroth]

No, Trump supporters like Russia because it has become a more conservative and religous place.

I wish we had these russophobic Democrats when the Soviet Union was around.

We did. Who do you think was president during the Cuban Missile Crisis?

You mean a right-wing conservative because that's what the Dems would call Kennedy today, he would be kicked from the Democrat party fast as shit.

[Bear Stearns]

I see you bringing up a host of other issues that are not related to the fact that our election was corrupted by hostile nation. Trump loves Russia mainly because they give up good deals on real estate. Most Trump lovers love Russia because Trump tells them to. The intellectual wing of the Trump lovers love Russia because they ideological agree with Putin that western Democracy and Republicanism have failed and we need to become more authoritarian.

No, Trump supporters like Russia because it has become a more conservative and religous place.

I wish we had these russophobic Democrats when the Soviet Union was around.

I don't really care for Russia or Russian people. I just recognize that as a nuclear power with the ability to incinerate us it's not worth instigating a war with over incredibly dubious and bullshit circumstances. Also, we have more to gain from being on good terms with Russia than hostile.

[New Paine]

I see you bringing up a host of other issues that are not related to the fact that our election was corrupted by hostile nation. Trump loves Russia mainly because they give up good deals on real estate. Most Trump lovers love Russia because Trump tells them to. The intellectual wing of the Trump lovers love Russia because they ideological agree with Putin that western Democracy and Republicanism have failed and we need to become more authoritarian.

No, Trump supporters like Russia because it has become a more conservative and religous place.

I wish we had these russophobic Democrats when the Soviet Union was around.

I’m not a Democrat. I was also born shortly after the collapse of the USSR.

Trump supporters need to realize that if they think free speech is under attack in America, what in the fuck do they think is happening in Russia? Or they just don’t know because their primary new sources is Tucker Carlson, OANN and Trump twitter feed.

[Bear Stearns]

No, Trump supporters like Russia because it has become a more conservative and religous place.

I wish we had these russophobic Democrats when the Soviet Union was around.

We did. Who do you think was president during the Cuban Missile Crisis?

There is a decent amount of evidence that the Cuban Missile Crisis was a folly on Kennedy's part, and was started by him when he put missiles in Turkey. He was acting reckless and could have very well gotten us all killed.

[New Paine]

We did. Who do you think was president during the Cuban Missile Crisis?

There is a decent amount of evidence that the Cuban Missile Crisis was a folly on Kennedy's part, and was started by him when he put missiles in Turkey. He was acting reckless and could have very well gotten us all killed.

I think the point that Shrilland was trying to make that there were LOTS of anti-Russian Democrats during the Cold War.

[Nazeroth]

There is a decent amount of evidence that the Cuban Missile Crisis was a folly on Kennedy's part, and was started by him when he put missiles in Turkey. He was acting reckless and could have very well gotten us all killed.

I think the point that Shrilland was trying to make that there were LOTS of anti-Russian Democrats during the Cold War.

yes but they would be considered Republican's today so that point is moot and Russia was the soviet union(socialist, anti-religious, non-traditional) and very differen't than todays russia(Conservative, traditional, religious)(minus both of them being expansionist)

[Shrillland]

We did. Who do you think was president during the Cuban Missile Crisis?

There is a decent amount of evidence that the Cuban Missile Crisis was a folly on Kennedy's part, and was started by him when he put missiles in Turkey. He was acting reckless and could have very well gotten us all killed.

Not likely. We actually outnumbered them nearly 5 to 1 at that point, they never could've struck first.

[New Paine]

I think the point that Shrilland was trying to make that there were LOTS of anti-Russian Democrats during the Cold War.

yes but they would be considered Republican's today so that point is moot and Russia was the soviet union and very differen't that todays russia(minus both of them being expansionist)

What the USSR and Russia of today have in common is a hatred for the Western ideals of Liberty, Freedom and Justice. The values that MY COUNTRY was founded on.

[Bear Stearns]

There is a decent amount of evidence that the Cuban Missile Crisis was a folly on Kennedy's part, and was started by him when he put missiles in Turkey. He was acting reckless and could have very well gotten us all killed.

I think the point that Shrilland was trying to make that there were LOTS of anti-Russian Democrats during the Cold War.

Yes and no. Roosevelt's and Truman's administrations were chock-full of Soviet sympathizers and most of the communists outed by McCarthy were Democrats. Generally the Democratic base in the Cold War leaned towards an anti-war position and wanted peaceful coexistence with the Soviets, not hostile confrontation.

Democratic politicians acted differently.

[Nazeroth]

yes but they would be considered Republican's today so that point is moot and Russia was the soviet union and very differen't that todays russia(minus both of them being expansionist)

What the USSR and Russia of today have in common is a hatred for the Western ideals of Liberty, Freedom and Justice. The values that MY COUNTRY was founded on.

Liberty, Freedom and Justice? by what standard, because people in europe have a very differen't idea of what free is than say America or Mexico or Canada

[The Black Forrest]

yes but they would be considered Republican's today so that point is moot and Russia was the soviet union and very differen't that todays russia(minus both of them being expansionist)

What the USSR and Russia of today have in common is a hatred for the Western ideals of Liberty, Freedom and Justice. The values that MY COUNTRY was founded on.

Unless you were black or native american. Let's not continue the myth of the pilgrims.

[Nazeroth]

I think the point that Shrilland was trying to make that there were LOTS of anti-Russian Democrats during the Cold War.

Yes and no. Roosevelt's and Truman's administrations were chock-full of Soviet sympathizers and most of the communists outed by McCarthy were Democrats. Generally the Democratic base in the Cold War leaned towards an anti-war position and wanted peaceful coexistence with the Soviets, not hostile confrontation.

Democratic politicians acted differently.

funny, when it's the Communists in charge of Russia=appeasement

[Bear Stearns]

yes but they would be considered Republican's today so that point is moot and Russia was the soviet union and very differen't that todays russia(minus both of them being expansionist)

What the USSR and Russia of today have in common is a hatred for the Western ideals of Liberty, Freedom and Justice. The values that MY COUNTRY was founded on.

That's kind of a stretch. Acting Russia like is still the big bad USSR is both outdated and reckless. The USSR was actively sponsoring global revolution. The Cold War is over, it's time our foreign policy evolve with the times.

Also countries aren't "founded" on ideals, they're just an expression of a people and their political system. The only country founded explicitly on "ideals" was, ironically, the Soviet Union.

Also, it's not like the US can really claim the mantle of those ideals anyways.

[Shrillland]

What the USSR and Russia of today have in common is a hatred for the Western ideals of Liberty, Freedom and Justice. The values that MY COUNTRY was founded on.

Unless you were black or native american. Let's not continue the myth of the pilgrims.

I don't think he is continuing the myth. It is possible to believe in an idea of the past while admitting that the original design was fraught with problems.

[Bear Stearns]

Yes and no. Roosevelt's and Truman's administrations were chock-full of Soviet sympathizers and most of the communists outed by McCarthy were Democrats. Generally the Democratic base in the Cold War leaned towards an anti-war position and wanted peaceful coexistence with the Soviets, not hostile confrontation.

Democratic politicians acted differently.

funny, when it's the Communists in charge of Russia=appeasement

"Hey guys maybe we shouldn't provoke nuclear war and get involved in this meaningless post-Soviet, inter-Slavic conflict."

"OMG RUSSIAN ASSET UNPATRIOTIC TREASONOUS COLLUSION"

[New Paine]

What the USSR and Russia of today have in common is a hatred for the Western ideals of Liberty, Freedom and Justice. The values that MY COUNTRY was founded on.

Liberty, Freedom and Justice? by what standard, because people in europe have a very differen't idea of what free is than say America or Mexico or Canada

I said “WESTERN IDEALS”....

[Bear Stearns]

Liberty, Freedom and Justice? by what standard, because people in europe have a very differen't idea of what free is than say America or Mexico or Canada

I said “WESTERN IDEALS”....

1. The West isn't exclusively defined by those ideals (most of the West's history is that of autocracies and oligarchies)
2. The idea of Russia not being Western has rather xenophobic origins
3. The West doesn't have a monopoly on those ideals

[New Paine]

I said “WESTERN IDEALS”....

1. The West isn't exclusively defined by those ideals (most of the West's history is that of autocracies and oligarchies)
2. The idea of Russia not being Western has rather xenophobic origins
3. The West doesn't have a monopoly on those ideals

1. The ideals of Constitutional Republicanism and Democracy came from Western Civilization.
2. I think it’s extremely ironic that you’re calling me a xenophobe.
3. I never said the west did have a monopoly on those ideals, nations like South Korea and Japan have embraced constitutional and non-authoritarian governments.