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2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

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Who do you think had the best performance at tonight’s debate?

Bernie
65
62%
Buttigieg
12
11%
Warren
11
10%
Biden
5
5%
Steyer
4
4%
Klobuchar
8
8%
 
Total votes : 105

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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:02 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Telconi wrote:
They'd probably just call mine "Republican containment district number four"

I'm gunna guess you live in either Illinois or California.


California.
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Postby Nazeroth » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:03 pm

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Arlenton wrote:I'm gunna guess you live in either Illinois or California.


California.


I'm nor cal, "salutes"
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Postby Telconi » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:04 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Telconi wrote:
California.


I'm nor cal, "salutes"


Central valley here.
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Postby Kargintina the Third » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:04 pm

Telconi wrote:
Arlenton wrote:I'm gunna guess you live in either Illinois or California.


California.

I’m trapped in NY, which is basically Eastern California
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Postby Arlenton » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Yeah that would work. I live in TX-26, I guess it'd be called something like "Denton-Northwest DFW".

That would likely be the simplest way to do it. You could also use geographic regions for larger rural districts

Damn we should start doing this. The large TX-13 district North of me could be "Panhandle-West North Texas". TX-3 and TX-4 to the East could be "Plano-Northeast DFW" and "East North Texas" (or "Northeast Texas" since I'm not sure if it'd be considered all in North Texas or just the northern part of East Texas).
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:18 pm

Arlenton wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That would likely be the simplest way to do it. You could also use geographic regions for larger rural districts

Damn we should start doing this. The large TX-13 district North of me could be "Panhandle-West North Texas". TX-3 and TX-4 to the East could be "Plano-Northeast DFW" and "East North Texas" (or "Northeast Texas" since I'm not sure if it'd be considered all in North Texas or just the northern part of East Texas).

We absolutely should. I don’t see why There would be anything stopping a state government from doing it for state legislature. Congressional elections might be different though

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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:25 pm

Kargintina the Third wrote:
Telconi wrote:
California.

I’m trapped in NY, which is basically Eastern California

I'm in MA, which is this weird place where liberal policies actually work
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:27 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Kargintina the Third wrote:I’m trapped in NY, which is basically Eastern California

I'm in MA, which is this weird place where liberal policies actually work


Portland and Baltimore both have similar populations, are coastal cities, and are both overwhelmingly Democrat.

Why is Portland prosperous and safe while Baltimore is a dangerous shithole? :^)

Conservatives will tell you that "Democrats" ruined places like Detroit and Chicago. But we see "Democrats" doing just fine in Boston and Washington DC. There must be another factor at play.
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:32 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:I'm in MA, which is this weird place where liberal policies actually work


Portland and Baltimore both have similar populations, are coastal cities, and are both overwhelmingly Democrat.

Why is Portland prosperous and safe while Baltimore is a dangerous shithole? :^)

Conservatives will tell you that "Democrats" ruined places like Detroit and Chicago. But we see "Democrats" doing just fine in Boston and Washington DC. There must be another factor at play.

Detroit is rapidly on the ups.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:34 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Portland and Baltimore both have similar populations, are coastal cities, and are both overwhelmingly Democrat.

Why is Portland prosperous and safe while Baltimore is a dangerous shithole? :^)

Conservatives will tell you that "Democrats" ruined places like Detroit and Chicago. But we see "Democrats" doing just fine in Boston and Washington DC. There must be another factor at play.

Detroit is rapidly on the ups.


I'm aware, almost entirely because it's been getting gentrified as fuck and its problem populations are moving to the lower-end suburbs or leaving Michigan entirely.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:35 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:I'm in MA, which is this weird place where liberal policies actually work


Portland and Baltimore both have similar populations, are coastal cities, and are both overwhelmingly Democrat.

Why is Portland prosperous and safe while Baltimore is a dangerous shithole? :^)

Conservatives will tell you that "Democrats" ruined places like Detroit and Chicago. But we see "Democrats" doing just fine in Boston and Washington DC. There must be another factor at play.


Yes, Detroit and Chicago are poorer cities on the whole, not like the ultra-wealthy cities like San Francisco. Also, they have large minority populations, and these minorities are marginalised by the current system. Poverty breeds crime, as does systemic racism that keeps minority groups from getting ahead.
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Postby New Paine » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:13 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Portland and Baltimore both have similar populations, are coastal cities, and are both overwhelmingly Democrat.

Why is Portland prosperous and safe while Baltimore is a dangerous shithole? :^)

Conservatives will tell you that "Democrats" ruined places like Detroit and Chicago. But we see "Democrats" doing just fine in Boston and Washington DC. There must be another factor at play.


Yes, Detroit and Chicago are poorer cities on the whole, not like the ultra-wealthy cities like San Francisco. Also, they have large minority populations, and these minorities are marginalised by the current system. Poverty breeds crime, as does systemic racism that keeps minority groups from getting ahead.


Oh dear, I see another “race realism” debate incoming.... :roll:
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:17 pm

New Paine wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Yes, Detroit and Chicago are poorer cities on the whole, not like the ultra-wealthy cities like San Francisco. Also, they have large minority populations, and these minorities are marginalised by the current system. Poverty breeds crime, as does systemic racism that keeps minority groups from getting ahead.


Oh dear, I see another “race realism” debate incoming.... :roll:


I just gave the answer as I saw it, I don't think that just being in a minority group makes you more prone to crime, I live in a similar rural community that's almost entirely white, and we have a lot of crime ourselves.
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Postby Nazeroth » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:19 pm

Shrillland wrote:
New Paine wrote:
Oh dear, I see another “race realism” debate incoming.... :roll:


I just gave the answer as I saw it, I don't think that just being in a minority group makes you more prone to crime, I live in a similar rural community that's almost entirely white, and we have a lot of crime ourselves.


a lot of crime? define that, what area is that?
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:19 pm

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Arlenton wrote:I've seen similar said about Trump and McConnell. It seems that "Russian spy/asset/stooge" is just a popular attack now.


It was always bullshit from the start.

The funny thing is, if Democrats wanted to pin Trump on colluding with a foreign power, Israel and Saudi Arabia would be pretty easy wins. I wonder why they don't fight those battles :^)


Maybe you just aren't willing to accept the obvious evidence of Russian interefence because you are unpatriotic and secretly want to live under a corrupt, tyrannical dictatorship like Russia?

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Postby Nazeroth » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:22 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
It was always bullshit from the start.

The funny thing is, if Democrats wanted to pin Trump on colluding with a foreign power, Israel and Saudi Arabia would be pretty easy wins. I wonder why they don't fight those battles :^)


Maybe you just aren't willing to accept the obvious evidence of Russian interefence because you are unpatriotic and secretly want to live under a corrupt, tyrannical dictatorship like Russia?


I find it funny how the dems can sit there and say this similar to the above

yet it's they who talk about removing statutes and painting, changing names(im not just referring to southerners, im talking people like george washington himself), say that the constitution is just a piece of paper, say that the electoral college needs to be removed, say "no borders and no walls" and that america is "a nation on stolen land" and impose higher and higher taxes/regulations on society in just about every way.

yeah, they are the real patriots...it sounds like they don't even want the fucking country to exist.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:22 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
I just gave the answer as I saw it, I don't think that just being in a minority group makes you more prone to crime, I live in a similar rural community that's almost entirely white, and we have a lot of crime ourselves.


a lot of crime? define that, what area is that?


We have quite a few thefts, assaults, and drug possession and manufacture charges in this part of Illinois, it's about 25 miles north of Peoria. True, we don't have gangland murders, but we don't have the same issues that lead to gangs forming.
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Postby Nazeroth » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:24 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
a lot of crime? define that, what area is that?


We have quite a few thefts, assaults, and drug possession and manufacture charges in this part of Illinois, it's about 25 miles north of Peoria. True, we don't have gangland murders, but we don't have the same issues that lead to gangs forming.


i would like to see statistics, because many of those happen just about everywhere, even in "safe" areas
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:24 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Arlenton wrote:I've seen similar said about Trump and McConnell. It seems that "Russian spy/asset/stooge" is just a popular attack now.


It was always bullshit from the start.

The funny thing is, if Democrats wanted to pin Trump on colluding with a foreign power, Israel and Saudi Arabia would be pretty easy wins. I wonder why they don't fight those battles :^)


He isn't? Ok what serious thing has he done against Putin or Russia?
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Postby Nazeroth » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:25 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
It was always bullshit from the start.

The funny thing is, if Democrats wanted to pin Trump on colluding with a foreign power, Israel and Saudi Arabia would be pretty easy wins. I wonder why they don't fight those battles :^)


He isn't? Ok what serious thing has he done against Putin or Russia?


first off, why should he when he campaigned that we should be trying to make peace with russia?
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:26 pm

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Bienenhalde wrote:
Maybe you just aren't willing to accept the obvious evidence of Russian interefence because you are unpatriotic and secretly want to live under a corrupt, tyrannical dictatorship like Russia?


I find it funny how the dems can sit there and say this similar to the above

yet it's they who talk about removing statutes and painting, changing names(im not just referring to southerners, im talking people like george washington himself), say that the constitution is just a piece of paper, say that the electoral college needs to be removed, say "no borders and no walls" and that america is "a nation on stolen land" and impose higher and higher taxes/regulations on society in just about every way.

yeah, they are the real patriots...it sounds like they don't even want the fucking country to exist.


So it is okay for Republicans to collude with a corrupt dictatorship hacking into American elections because the Democrats and liberals are bad too?

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Postby Asle Leopolka » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:27 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
a lot of crime? define that, what area is that?


We have quite a few thefts, assaults, and drug possession and manufacture charges in this part of Illinois, it's about 25 miles north of Peoria. True, we don't have gangland murders, but we don't have the same issues that lead to gangs forming.

I live in one of the safest parts of Texas and those are insanely common here as well. Those "lesser" crimes happen all the time and are why only violent crime is used to identify safety.
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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:28 pm

Nazeroth wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
We have quite a few thefts, assaults, and drug possession and manufacture charges in this part of Illinois, it's about 25 miles north of Peoria. True, we don't have gangland murders, but we don't have the same issues that lead to gangs forming.


i would like to see statistics, because many of those happen just about everywhere, even in "safe" areas


Gladly: https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/county ... s/marshall

https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/county/illinois/peoria

Yes, ours is lower, and we aren't as bad as some urban neighbourhoods, but neither are we somehow cleaner just because we're sparsely populated and mostly white.
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Postby Nazeroth » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:29 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
I find it funny how the dems can sit there and say this similar to the above

yet it's they who talk about removing statutes and painting, changing names(im not just referring to southerners, im talking people like george washington himself), say that the constitution is just a piece of paper, say that the electoral college needs to be removed, say "no borders and no walls" and that america is "a nation on stolen land" and impose higher and higher taxes/regulations on society in just about every way.

yeah, they are the real patriots...it sounds like they don't even want the fucking country to exist.


So it is okay for Republicans to collude with a corrupt dictatorship hacking into American elections because the Democrats and liberals are bad too?


The Republicans did not "collude" with russia into hacking the election

if that was a FACT Trump would not be the fucking president, the CIA/FBI would have arrested him immediatly, there would be no "lets hang out and let him make more policy/legislation even though we know hes a spy"

jesus christ people
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Postby Nazeroth » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:30 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Nazeroth wrote:
i would like to see statistics, because many of those happen just about everywhere, even in "safe" areas


Gladly: https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/county ... s/marshall

https://www.bestplaces.net/crime/county/illinois/peoria

Yes, ours is lower, and we aren't as bad as some urban neighbourhoods, but neither are we somehow cleaner just because we're sparsely populated and mostly white.


when did race become apart of this?
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