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Who will surge following the debate?

Bernie
41
34%
Buttigieg
16
13%
Booker
2
2%
Warren
4
3%
Yang
21
18%
Biden
9
8%
Gabbard
16
13%
Steyer
1
1%
Klobuchar
5
4%
Harris
4
3%
 
Total votes : 119

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:54 am

Telconi wrote:
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And what makes it a joke?

Because you're kind of proving my point here.


I can't speak for why Aclion thinks it's a joke.

You had a point?


That you're arguing in circles so you don't have to admit being wrong.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:56 am

Vassenor wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I can't speak for why Aclion thinks it's a joke.

You had a point?


That you're arguing in circles so you don't have to admit being wrong.


Wrong about what? I asked a question, how can asking a question be incorrect?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:01 am

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:We can add free speech to things your against too. Nice to know you support locking up political opponents like any good dictator


Sorry, not going to fuss over the freedoms of people who's entire schtick is destroying freedoms. He wants to have his rights respected he can learn some human decency.

Your free to not vote for him. He has a right to say what he did and not be thrown in prison. That’s what a dictatorship would do. Going by your past statements any elected official who disagrees with you should be jailed

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:32 am

The Northeast's powerful Working Families Party has endorsed Warren: https://www.yahoo.com/news/elizabeth-warren-picks-key-endorsement-162702772.html
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Postby Jerzylvania » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:38 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:I think Harris has the intellect to be the next surprise dropout.



Thread please, Farn. :hug: :)


Still taking break tho.

Done.

And "Beto's Revenge" doesn't thrill me but whatever.


Agree. Lousy name for a thread which is suppose to be about candidates.

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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:46 am

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Sorry, not going to fuss over the freedoms of people who's entire schtick is destroying freedoms. He wants to have his rights respected he can learn some human decency.

Your free to not vote for him. He has a right to say what he did and not be thrown in prison. That’s what a dictatorship would do. Going by your past statements any elected official who disagrees with you should be jailed


There is a fundamental difference between disagreeing, and attacking. This had been explained repeatedly.
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Postby Twelve Monkeys » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:57 am

Blargoblarg wrote:
Pacomia wrote:Vermin Supreme 2020?

Giant Meteor is better. :p


Hmm?

A Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) is much better. Easier on the fauna and flora. We still need to eat. But it forces us to use paper ballots and the idiot tweeting sure as fuck is done with.

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:59 am

Twelve Monkeys wrote:
Blargoblarg wrote:Giant Meteor is better. :p


Hmm?

A Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) is much better. Easier on the fauna and flora. We still need to eat. But it forces us to use paper ballots and the idiot tweeting sure as fuck is done with.


But I'd lose my job.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:01 pm

Twelve Monkeys wrote:
Blargoblarg wrote:Giant Meteor is better. :p


Hmm?

A Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) is much better. Easier on the fauna and flora. We still need to eat. But it forces us to use paper ballots and the idiot tweeting sure as fuck is done with.


Yeah but then we'd just be technologically stunted assholes.
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-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
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-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
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-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Twelve Monkeys » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:09 pm

Telconi wrote:
Twelve Monkeys wrote:
Hmm?

A Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) is much better. Easier on the fauna and flora. We still need to eat. But it forces us to use paper ballots and the idiot tweeting sure as fuck is done with.


Yeah but then we'd just be technologically stunted assholes.


Might work. You'd still have your guns. We'd still have free speech but with much less fraud.

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:11 pm

Twelve Monkeys wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Yeah but then we'd just be technologically stunted assholes.


Might work. You'd still have your guns. We'd still have free speech but with much less fraud.


Think of it like this, Tel. You wouldn't have to deal with us for at least 12-18 months before electricity could return. That would remove a lot of stress. :p
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Postby Twelve Monkeys » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:12 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Twelve Monkeys wrote:
Hmm?

A Coronal Mass Ejection (CME) is much better. Easier on the fauna and flora. We still need to eat. But it forces us to use paper ballots and the idiot tweeting sure as fuck is done with.


But I'd lose my job.


Mortar and brick stores wold be hiring though. Look in something they used to call the classified ads.

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Postby Twelve Monkeys » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:14 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Twelve Monkeys wrote:
Might work. You'd still have your guns. We'd still have free speech but with much less fraud.


Think of it like this, Tel. You wouldn't have to deal with us for at least 12-18 months before electricity could return. That would remove a lot of stress. :p


He'd be stuck in California with millions of people cut off from their rant outlets. What could go wrong?

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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:17 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Twelve Monkeys wrote:
Might work. You'd still have your guns. We'd still have free speech but with much less fraud.


Think of it like this, Tel. You wouldn't have to deal with us for at least 12-18 months before electricity could return. That would remove a lot of stress. :p


No, it really wouldn't, because y'all would return eventually.
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-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Dresderstan » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:18 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Twelve Monkeys wrote:
Might work. You'd still have your guns. We'd still have free speech but with much less fraud.


Think of it like this, Tel. You wouldn't have to deal with us for at least 12-18 months before electricity could return. That would remove a lot of stress. :p

Nah we should just EMP the entire world and go back to the stone age. :p
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Postby Twelve Monkeys » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:30 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Think of it like this, Tel. You wouldn't have to deal with us for at least 12-18 months before electricity could return. That would remove a lot of stress. :p

Nah we should just EMP the entire world and go back to the stone age. :p


Well, a strong CME saves you the trouble of an EMP. It's like that. Nobody to blame either.

There was one in 2012 that crossed into Earth's orbit and missed the planet by one week.

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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:34 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Think of it like this, Tel. You wouldn't have to deal with us for at least 12-18 months before electricity could return. That would remove a lot of stress. :p

Nah we should just EMP the entire world and go back to the stone age. :p

I don't think EMPs would be enough. Perhaps some sort of mind control ray that makes everyone into a psychotic anprim?
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Postby Chan Island » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:21 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Nah we should just EMP the entire world and go back to the stone age. :p

I don't think EMPs would be enough. Perhaps some sort of mind control ray that makes everyone into a psychotic anprim?


Nah, that wouldn't work. Hanging out with mind controlled zombies would get old quick.
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Postby Twelve Monkeys » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:29 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Nah we should just EMP the entire world and go back to the stone age. :p

I don't think EMPs would be enough. Perhaps some sort of mind control ray that makes everyone into a psychotic anprim?


Huh?

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Postby South Odreria 2 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:57 pm

Warren peaked in the polls over a month ago at 18.5, via RCP. Now she is at 17. Saying she is "surging" is blatant gaslighting. That said, if she does win, Yang would be an unironically good running mate.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:05 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:Warren peaked in the polls over a month ago at 18.5, via RCP. Now she is at 17. Saying she is "surging" is blatant gaslighting. That said, if she does win, Yang would be an unironically good running mate.

No he's very much his own show. Me and UM discussed this, when I suggested it. The post is in the last thread. Also surging is more than polling, it's a complicated thing.

Stop thinking in such a oversimplified manner. You need to think in a less ridiculous way, you're so brainwashed and aggressive it shows how you specifically are too immature to be debated with seriously, I've gotten sick of it.

Going back off now, sorry, had to get this off my chest guys.
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Postby Twelve Monkeys » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:07 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:Warren peaked in the polls over a month ago at 18.5, via RCP. Now she is at 17. Saying she is "surging" is blatant gaslighting. That said, if she does win, Yang would be an unironically good running mate.

No billionaire that runs wants to be Veep.

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Postby South Odreria 2 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:20 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:Warren peaked in the polls over a month ago at 18.5, via RCP. Now she is at 17. Saying she is "surging" is blatant gaslighting. That said, if she does win, Yang would be an unironically good running mate.

No he's very much his own show. Me and UM discussed this, when I suggested it. The post is in the last thread. Also surging is more than polling, it's a complicated thing.

Stop thinking in such a oversimplified manner. You need to think in a less ridiculous way, you're so brainwashed and aggressive it shows how you specifically are too immature to be debated with seriously, I've gotten sick of it.

Going back off now, sorry, had to get this off my chest guys.


Says falling/flat in polls is not surging >>> "think in a less ridiculous way"

Twelve Monkeys wrote:No billionaire that runs wants to be Veep.


Yang has an estimated net worth of 1 million. That is less than a billion. For comparison, Warren's has been estimated at from 8-12 million.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:24 pm

South Odreria 2 wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:No he's very much his own show. Me and UM discussed this, when I suggested it. The post is in the last thread. Also surging is more than polling, it's a complicated thing.

Stop thinking in such a oversimplified manner. You need to think in a less ridiculous way, you're so brainwashed and aggressive it shows how you specifically are too immature to be debated with seriously, I've gotten sick of it.

Going back off now, sorry, had to get this off my chest guys.


Says falling/flat in polls is not surging >>> "think in a less ridiculous way"

It's far too simple and fails to understand the complicated nature of reality.

Her favorability ratings and unfavorability ratings are getting a lot better with more time. Her popularity and her policies as well.
Please understand that the world isn't as simple as you speak, it makes you look ridiculous and it pisses me off.
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Postby South Odreria 2 » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:29 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:
Says falling/flat in polls is not surging >>> "think in a less ridiculous way"


Her favorability ratings and unfavorability ratings are getting a lot better with more time. Her popularity and her policies as well.
Please understand that the world isn't as simple as you speak, it makes you look ridiculous and it pisses me off.


The poll you linked shows Warren falling to 13% in the first four states, 8 points out of second place.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:It's far too simple and fails to understand the complicated nature of reality.


Can you please stop posting stuff like this. If someone is not showing any measurable improvement in polling, fundraising, volunteer sign-ups, or anything else, they are not surging.
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