2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

[The Black Forrest]

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It's not just Trans people, it's many Neo-Liberals too. What ever they can try to do to discredit Bernie. In the end of the day, Joe Rogan has some flaws but he's also expressed many left wing views especially on foreign policy, immigration, and the economy. He isn't a paragon of the left but he doesn't have to be.

I love his podcast btw. My only qualm with him is he doesn't necessarily challenge his guest when they say dumb shit.

Joe Rogan's pretty controversial, and he's said plenty that's worthy of criticism. That said, his endorsement of Bernie is a very good thing, pragmatically speaking, in spite of that, especially given how much of his audience is toward the right side of the political spectrum or disenchanted from politics. He'll pull a great many people over to Bernie, people who would otherwise either vote for the GOP or wouldn't vote at all. Those who will stick to their Republican guns will probably turn against Rogan, but with a good deal of his viewers taking his side, it'll be a huge blow to the GOP.

It's far from perfect, but it's so much better than the alternative of those viewers who will turn to Bernie because of this otherwise remaining decidedly apolitical or sticking with the right-wing.

His TV persona does offend. I trained with a guy who knows him. The guy said in person he is a real likable guy.

[Ifreann]

Trump going against Bernie in the general elections just needs to use basic math and middle school history to show why a Sanders presidency would be disastrous

If he wants to be extra sleazy, he could also dig up all those old quotes of Sanders praising communist regimes

So it'll be an easy Sanders victory.

[Aureumterra]

Trump going against Bernie in the general elections just needs to use basic math and middle school history to show why a Sanders presidency would be disastrous

If he wants to be extra sleazy, he could also dig up all those old quotes of Sanders praising communist regimes

So it'll be an easy Sanders victory.

Out of Biden and Sanders, Trump will have a much easier time beating Sanders. Sanders for me personally is also preferential to a Biden presidency, even though I’m not American, so I won’t be directly affected by it

[Ifreann]

So it'll be an easy Sanders victory.

Out of Biden and Sanders, Trump will have a much easier time beating Sanders. Sanders for me personally is also preferential to a Biden presidency, even though I’m not American, so I won’t be directly affected by it

Basic maths and middle school history sounds well beyond the grasp of Trump.

[Galloism]

So it'll be an easy Sanders victory.

Out of Biden and Sanders, Trump will have a much easier time beating Sanders. Sanders for me personally is also preferential to a Biden presidency, even though I’m not American, so I won’t be directly affected by it

Given NAFTA, I'm not sure why you would say that.

[Tarsonis]

Oh hey, MA has semi-closed primaries. I get to vote this year.

Semi-closed? What, they leave the door to the polling place slightly ajar?

Yup so us unafflialted folks can slip in the back without being seen

[Ifreann]

Semi-closed? What, they leave the door to the polling place slightly ajar?

Yup so us unafflialted folks can slip in the back without being seen

So weird to me that people not in the Democratic Party can participate in their internal decision making.

[Aureumterra]

Out of Biden and Sanders, Trump will have a much easier time beating Sanders. Sanders for me personally is also preferential to a Biden presidency, even though I’m not American, so I won’t be directly affected by it

Given NAFTA, I'm not sure why you would say that.

I was thinking more along the lines of an American’s point of view, since I doubt Sanders will actually get any of his socialist or authoritarian policies to pass thanks to the bicameral system, while Biden, like Obama, will have his party under his arm

Still my first choice is Trump, since he’s been great so far

[Torrocca]

Joe Rogan's pretty controversial, and he's said plenty that's worthy of criticism. That said, his endorsement of Bernie is a very good thing, pragmatically speaking, in spite of that, especially given how much of his audience is toward the right side of the political spectrum or disenchanted from politics. He'll pull a great many people over to Bernie, people who would otherwise either vote for the GOP or wouldn't vote at all. Those who will stick to their Republican guns will probably turn against Rogan, but with a good deal of his viewers taking his side, it'll be a huge blow to the GOP.

It's far from perfect, but it's so much better than the alternative of those viewers who will turn to Bernie because of this otherwise remaining decidedly apolitical or sticking with the right-wing.

His TV persona does offend. I trained with a guy who knows him. The guy said in person he is a real likable guy.

Honestly, regardless of the controversies, Rogan's support doesn't change a lick of Bernie's principles, which is why it's a win-win-win-win. The platform and policies stay exactly the same, we get more votes from people who are now being swayed to those policies and principles by an influential voice that's also been swayed to them, Republicans lose people who'd otherwise have voted for them, and some Liberals get mad because they think winning somebody over to uncompromised principles is the same thing as one of the Liberal candidates betraying their platform to try and win over Conservatives. It's absolutely amazing in every regard.

I'll absolutely take a Rogan-like person crossing from right to left to a candidate without that candidate compromising their views any day over a candidate betraying their views in a desperate bid for right-wing votes.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

If you haven’t been following Trump’s tweets, he’s really been riling up the "DNC is planning to steal the nomination from Bernie" rhetoric

I guess he hopes to win disgruntled Sanders voters again

[Ifreann]

If you haven’t been following Trump’s tweets, he’s really been riling up the "DNC is planning to steal the nomination from Bernie" rhetoric

I guess he hopes to win disgruntled Sanders voters again

Be real funny if Sanders wins and Trump deletes those tweets.

[Vassenor]

Trump going against Bernie in the general elections just needs to use basic math and middle school history to show why a Sanders presidency would be disastrous

If he wants to be extra sleazy, he could also dig up all those old quotes of Sanders praising communist regimes

So how is Sanders failing those things?

[Vassenor]

So it'll be an easy Sanders victory.

Out of Biden and Sanders, Trump will have a much easier time beating Sanders. Sanders for me personally is also preferential to a Biden presidency, even though I’m not American, so I won’t be directly affected by it

So why is Trump polling much worse against Sanders than against Biden?

[Drumon]

Out of Biden and Sanders, Trump will have a much easier time beating Sanders. Sanders for me personally is also preferential to a Biden presidency, even though I’m not American, so I won’t be directly affected by it

So why is Trump polling much worse against Sanders than against Biden?

He isn't. You are selectively choosing polls.

Sanders will get eviscerated by Trump in an election.

[Tarsonis]

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders ... 1579866773


Oh you got trouble, right here in river city. With a capital T, that rhymes with P and that stands for Polls.

[The Black Forrest]

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-poll-warren-biden-2020-nominee-emerson-college-1483831?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1579866773


Oh you got trouble, right here in river city. With a capital T, that rhymes with P and that stands for Polls.

I am shocked. Bernie bros are going to stay home if he doesn’t get the nomination.

[Drumon]

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-poll-warren-biden-2020-nominee-emerson-college-1483831?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1579866773


Oh you got trouble, right here in river city. With a capital T, that rhymes with P and that stands for Polls.

I am shocked. Bernie bros are going to stay home if he doesn’t get the nomination.

31% said it depends on the nominee, let's be realistic this is a scare tactic.

Since Bernie's support is around 20%, that's 10.6% for sure and 6.5% "it depends" for a total 17% of primary voted that will probably vote for the Dem nominee. A whopping 3% won't if it's someone but Bernie.

[Aureumterra]

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-poll-warren-biden-2020-nominee-emerson-college-1483831?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1579866773


Oh you got trouble, right here in river city. With a capital T, that rhymes with P and that stands for Polls.

good for Trump, I guess

[Vassenor]

So why is Trump polling much worse against Sanders than against Biden?

He isn't. You are selectively choosing polls.

Sanders will get eviscerated by Trump in an election.

So what do the accurate polls say?

[Drumon]

He isn't. You are selectively choosing polls.

Sanders will get eviscerated by Trump in an election.

So what do the accurate polls say?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po ... t-general/

The actual polls are all over the map, but at the most generous to Sanders, Biden has an equal if not greater chance.

[Duvniask]

So what do the accurate polls say?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po ... t-general/

The actual polls are all over the map, but at the most generous to Sanders, Biden has an equal if not greater chance.

So your claim about Sanders being eviscerated was false.

[Drumon]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po ... t-general/

The actual polls are all over the map, but at the most generous to Sanders, Biden has an equal if not greater chance.

So your claim about Sanders being eviscerated was false.

I base that argument not off the polls, because I believe the polls this far out are meaningless.

Sanders will be eviscerated because he will not get independents.

[Major-Tom]

I mean, in '88 he derailed himself by blatant plagiarism, in '08 he never really broke that 2% barrier in the polls because of his tendency to say things like "you need an Indian accent to go to 7/11." He just was never one to gain traction in nationwide races. Once Obama picked him, Biden was the yin to Obama's yang. Obama was precise, calculated, and pedantic to a fault at times. Biden was the opposite, impulsive, goofy, and prone to run his mouth. They complimented each other quite well.

But now that it's a nationwide race without the assistance of Barack, I just don't see how Biden can prove that he is anything but a relic of the past. His voting record indicates that, his entire history in the Senate, really, is indicative of that. And as for his gaffes and speech, y'know, it's not like he has dementia or anything, but he is advancing in age. There are quite a few instances of Biden on the trail or on the stage just completely botching his speeches.

Personally, that's not how I form my opinion of him, I look towards his record. But admittedly, many Americans seem to examine speech patterns and charisma more than voting records. And for those reasons, I just don't see Biden as a solid general election candidate, his chances of becoming nominee must only be hovering around 50% at this juncture anyways.

I mean, if we were basing elections off of speech patterns, Clinton would have demolished Trump and Buttigieg would be leading the field right now.

Yeah, I don't think my argument is fully about speech patterns, a lot of it really revolves around his record. Two things are critical in any election, your ability to persuade voters and your ability to point to your record as an asset.

[Tarsonis]

I am shocked. Bernie bros are going to stay home if he doesn’t get the nomination.

31% said it depends on the nominee, let's be realistic this is a scare tactic.

Since Bernie's support is around 20%, that's 10.6% for sure and 6.5% "it depends" for a total 17% of primary voted that will probably vote for the Dem nominee. A whopping 3% won't if it's someone but Bernie.

You hope

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So why is Trump polling much worse against Sanders than against Biden?

He isn't. You are selectively choosing polls.

Sanders will get eviscerated by Trump in an election.

Trump only beat HRC by a few thousand votes in a few key states for the Electoral College win, perhaps the most disliked candidate in modern history and someone who offered the American people jack shit.

But against Bernie Sanders, a candidate who is all about the issues, who has detailed plans for improving the material conditions of people's lives, you think Trump could win? Please. Bernie Sanders would take every swing state and probably Indiana, Arizona, and Georgia too.