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Who do you think had the best performance at tonight’s debate?

Bernie
65
62%
Buttigieg
12
11%
Warren
11
10%
Biden
5
5%
Steyer
4
4%
Klobuchar
8
8%
 
Total votes : 105

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Postby The JELLEAIN Republic » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:07 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:

Well In today’s politics, the moderates are the only ones who can win over the non cult republicans.

Fuck today's politics then.



But then trump will be 2020 ...

There’s gotta be compromises.


Most non trump republicans became independent, but are still republican, Biden is the only hope.

We have big problems, but right now, trump is the biggest one, if only because we can’t fix anything with him around.

Not everyone from a single party is the same. Doesn't do good to put people into groups. Yah know what I mean ? :)
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:08 am

The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I personally support a Yang/Gabbard team, but I know Trump's gonna wipe the floor with all the Democratic candidates unless Bernie gets the nomination, which he won't.


But if Bernie Gets the nomination than republicans can play to the fear of “the socialist bogeyman!)

Sure, but who's to say that that will work?


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Ifreann wrote:No.


What do you think would be good then ?

Comrade Sanders, of course.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:09 am

The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Fuck today's politics then.



But then trump will be 2020 ...

There’s gotta be compromises.


Most non trump republicans became independent, but are still republican, Biden is the only hope.

We have big problems, but right now, trump is the biggest one, if only because we can’t fix anything with him around.

Oh no don't get me wrong if I get the idea that Sanders isn't doing good I'll probably use one of those off-shore betting sites to bet on the election, and I'll put in a $5000 pot for Trump. Doesn't mean I like the guy.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:11 am

The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:The moderate's vote contributed to the death of hundreds of thousands of my cultural brothers (Iraq). Also the moderate supported Jim Crowe laws.



Well In today’s politics, the moderates are the only ones who can win over the non cult republicans.

People keep saying this. But then...
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Postby The JELLEAIN Republic » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:13 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:

But then trump will be 2020 ...

There’s gotta be compromises.


Most non trump republicans became independent, but are still republican, Biden is the only hope.

We have big problems, but right now, trump is the biggest one, if only because we can’t fix anything with him around.

Oh no don't get me wrong if I get the idea that Sanders isn't doing good I'll probably use one of those off-shore betting sites to bet on the election, and I'll put in a $5000 pot for Trump. Doesn't mean I like the guy.



Think of it like a Rubix cube, to get to the end goal, you gotta short term not go in a straight direction.
Idk, just can’t. Let. Trump. Win. I’m already trying to envision what a 2020 2024 president will look like. He’ll be immune even from impeachment, pardon all those people, hell, he might do martial law.

Postponing sanders for 4 years to save the country “now” Isint that more important ?

Doesent the have to be someone experienced to pick up the pieces before we go in a new direction?
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Postby The JELLEAIN Republic » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:15 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:

Well In today’s politics, the moderates are the only ones who can win over the non cult republicans.

People keep saying this. But then...



Huh...

I always saw it as 1/3 republican 1/3 moderate 1/3 Democrat
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:18 am

The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Oh no don't get me wrong if I get the idea that Sanders isn't doing good I'll probably use one of those off-shore betting sites to bet on the election, and I'll put in a $5000 pot for Trump. Doesn't mean I like the guy.



Think of it like a Rubix cube, to get to the end goal, you gotta short term not go in a straight direction.
Idk, just can’t. Let. Trump. Win. I’m already trying to envision what a 2020 2024 president will look like. He’ll be immune even from impeachment, pardon all those people, hell, he might do martial law.

Postponing sanders for 4 years to save the country “now” Isint that more important ?

Doesent the have to be someone experienced to pick up the pieces before we go in a new direction?

Sanders has been politically active since the Civil Rights era, has been a member of both houses of the legislature. Prior to that he was ranked one of the best mayors in the United States and the city he presided over remains one of the most livable cities in the country. He has been in the legislature since 1988 where he has taken up leadership roles despite not actually joining the Democratic party until 2016 to run for president.

Say what you want about Sanders, but to suggest he doesn't have 'experience' is to abuse the word.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:19 am

The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:People keep saying this. But then...



Huh...

I always saw it as 1/3 republican 1/3 moderate 1/3 Democrat

That perception is by design.
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Postby The JELLEAIN Republic » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:22 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:

Huh...

I always saw it as 1/3 republican 1/3 moderate 1/3 Democrat

That perception is by design.


I mean it’s much more complicated than that but what do you mean design ?

Dumb or intelligent ?

Like did it evolve, just that’s what it tends to or was there someone sitting in a dark room stroking a cat ...

:)
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:01 am

The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:That perception is by design.


I mean it’s much more complicated than that but what do you mean design ?

Dumb or intelligent ?

Like did it evolve, just that’s what it tends to or was there someone sitting in a dark room stroking a cat ...

:)

It's an easier sell, especially if you're trying to brand yourself as a 'moderate' or a 'centrist', to pitch it as an even divide where the two 'poles' battle it out for the 'reasonable' middle on equal footing. It's a narrative, and narratives don't require masterminds or persian cats.
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Postby The JELLEAIN Republic » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:10 am

To not use that system means opening up a much more complicated system that not all could follow. Also, if enough people believe so thing for enough time, it becomes that ...
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Postby The JELLEAIN Republic » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:13 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
The JELLEAIN Republic wrote:
I mean it’s much more complicated than that but what do you mean design ?

Dumb or intelligent ?

Like did it evolve, just that’s what it tends to or was there someone sitting in a dark room stroking a cat ...

:)

It's an easier sell, especially if you're trying to brand yourself as a 'moderate' or a 'centrist', to pitch it as an even divide where the two 'poles' battle it out for the 'reasonable' middle on equal footing. It's a narrative, and narratives don't require masterminds or persian cats.


Thank you for a quote :clap: :bow: :clap:
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:25 am

Some kid: "I wanted to ask if you think that taking big money out of politics includes not taking money off of billionaires and closed-door fundraisers"
Buttigieg: "No"

Gotta get that billionaire money.
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Postby Page » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:40 am

Ifreann wrote:Some kid: "I wanted to ask if you think that taking big money out of politics includes not taking money off of billionaires and closed-door fundraisers"
Buttigieg: "No"

Gotta get that billionaire money.


It's astounding that some people have still not snapped out of the Buttigieg hype. And even if they snap out of it today, it shouldn't have taken this long.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:42 am

Page wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Some kid: "I wanted to ask if you think that taking big money out of politics includes not taking money off of billionaires and closed-door fundraisers"
Buttigieg: "No"

Gotta get that billionaire money.


It's astounding that some people have still not snapped out of the Buttigieg hype. And even if they snap out of it today, it shouldn't have taken this long.


His followers all follow a certain trope, anyways. Upper-middle class, white, lives in a gentrified neighborhood or suburb and drives a gas guzzler but still considers themselves "eco-friendly." Probably only listens to NPR and Ellen.
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Postby Ngelmish » Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:52 am

Page wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Some kid: "I wanted to ask if you think that taking big money out of politics includes not taking money off of billionaires and closed-door fundraisers"
Buttigieg: "No"

Gotta get that billionaire money.


It's astounding that some people have still not snapped out of the Buttigieg hype. And even if they snap out of it today, it shouldn't have taken this long.


I mean, I'm no Buttigieg fan, and have become more opposed over time, but it seems silly to suggest that it's all hype -- there is a constituency for articulate but vaguely defined liberalism.

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Postby Bienenhalde » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:46 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:I personally support a Yang/Gabbard team, but I know Trump's gonna wipe the floor with all the Democratic candidates unless Bernie gets the nomination, which he won't.


Why would a crazy left-wing extremist win over ordinary voters more easily than a reasonable centrist? Your prediction simply doesn't make sense.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:55 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I personally support a Yang/Gabbard team, but I know Trump's gonna wipe the floor with all the Democratic candidates unless Bernie gets the nomination, which he won't.


Why would a crazy left-wing extremist win over ordinary voters more easily than a reasonable centrist? Your prediction simply doesn't make sense.

Being a crazy left-wing extremist is cool now.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:59 am

Ifreann wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Why would a crazy left-wing extremist win over ordinary voters more easily than a reasonable centrist? Your prediction simply doesn't make sense.

Being a crazy left-wing extremist is cool now.


You know it 8)
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:05 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I personally support a Yang/Gabbard team, but I know Trump's gonna wipe the floor with all the Democratic candidates unless Bernie gets the nomination, which he won't.


Why would a crazy left-wing extremist win over ordinary voters more easily than a reasonable centrist? Your prediction simply doesn't make sense.

Your first mistake is in thinking that centrism is reasonable.
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Postby Saturna1ia » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:27 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I personally support a Yang/Gabbard team, but I know Trump's gonna wipe the floor with all the Democratic candidates unless Bernie gets the nomination, which he won't.


Why would a crazy left-wing extremist win over ordinary voters more easily than a reasonable centrist? Your prediction simply doesn't make sense.


Your second mistake is not looking at history beyond the last few decades. The idea that a "centrist" is necessary to win in modern times in the US is a result of Bill Clinton's successful campaign to finally break the conservative dominance of the Reagan/Bush era. There have been plenty of Americans one could consider "crazy left-wing extremists" of their time throughout US history that the people have looked up to from Ben Franklin to Thomas Jefferson to Eugene Debs to Huey Long to Franklin Roosevelt to Martin Luther King Jr to Bernie Sanders. Changing times create changes in politics.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:58 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I personally support a Yang/Gabbard team, but I know Trump's gonna wipe the floor with all the Democratic candidates unless Bernie gets the nomination, which he won't.


Why would a crazy left-wing extremist win over ordinary voters more easily than a reasonable centrist? Your prediction simply doesn't make sense.


Why would an NYC Real Estate Troll and TV-Personality win over Jeb Bush?
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:07 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:I personally support a Yang/Gabbard team, but I know Trump's gonna wipe the floor with all the Democratic candidates unless Bernie gets the nomination, which he won't.


And you know that for sure how?
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:16 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I personally support a Yang/Gabbard team, but I know Trump's gonna wipe the floor with all the Democratic candidates unless Bernie gets the nomination, which he won't.


And you know that for sure how?

Would you like to bet money right now? Right this second?

P.S Is gambling kosher on NSG? I don't think so, so officially this is merely an ideological challenge to Vass as to my confidence regarding Trump wiping the floor with every candidate except Sanders.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:18 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:I personally support a Yang/Gabbard team, but I know Trump's gonna wipe the floor with all the Democratic candidates unless Bernie gets the nomination, which he won't.


These are quite bold predictions. It's early in the game, I wouldn't place bets quite yet.
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