2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

[Saturna1ia]

enough with this word establishment. It seems like anyone whose been in office more than one term is labeled establishment. Trump getting another term means the end of the Republic as we know it and by the time he leaves office it will be too late to to anything about climate change. Maybe you should cut the elitism.

Like hell "enough"
It's very obvious when a politician, including those that may have originally started out from the humblest of beginnings, has become detached from his/her constituents and beholden to lobbyists and wealthy donors. It's not even necessarily about how long a politician governs for, but who it is that he/she listens to while in power. People shouldn't feel out of touch with the person representing them. Clinton and to a lesser extent Biden embody being out of touch.

[Shrillland]

enough with this word establishment. It seems like anyone whose been in office more than one term is labeled establishment. Trump getting another term means the end of the Republic as we know it and by the time he leaves office it will be too late to to anything about climate change. Maybe you should cut the elitism.

Like hell "enough"
It's very obvious when a politician, including those that may have originally started out from the humblest of beginnings, has become detached from his/her constituents and beholden to lobbyists and wealthy donors. It's not even necessarily about how long a politician governs for, but who it is that he/she listens to while in power. People shouldn't feel out of touch with the person representing them. Clinton and to a lesser extent Biden embody being out of touch.

I'm not one to condemn lobbyists for special interests myself because chances are each one of us belongs to at least three of those special interests even if they aren't aware of it.

[San Lumen]

enough with this word establishment. It seems like anyone whose been in office more than one term is labeled establishment. Trump getting another term means the end of the Republic as we know it and by the time he leaves office it will be too late to to anything about climate change. Maybe you should cut the elitism.

Like hell "enough"
It's very obvious when a politician, including those that may have originally started out from the humblest of beginnings, has become detached from his/her constituents and beholden to lobbyists and wealthy donors. It's not even necessarily about how long a politician governs for, but who it is that he/she listens to while in power. People shouldn't feel out of touch with the person representing them. Clinton and to a lesser extent Biden embody being out of touch.

I will have you know that any group or issue you support likely has a lobbyist so don;'t make grandiose general statements.

[True Refuge]

Like hell "enough"
It's very obvious when a politician, including those that may have originally started out from the humblest of beginnings, has become detached from his/her constituents and beholden to lobbyists and wealthy donors. It's not even necessarily about how long a politician governs for, but who it is that he/she listens to while in power. People shouldn't feel out of touch with the person representing them. Clinton and to a lesser extent Biden embody being out of touch.

I'm not one to condemn lobbyists for special interests myself because chances are each one of us belongs to at least three of those special interests even if they aren't aware of it.

Unfortunately the biggest lobbying efforts comes from industries that definitely are not looking out for the average person, Big Sugar being an extreme example.

[Saturna1ia]

Ill will have you know that any group or issue you support likely has a lobbyist so don;'t make grandiose general statements.

Perhaps so, but at the end of the day said lobbyist should only hold an advisory role and the will of constituents or the people have the final say. Your defense of lobbyists changes nothing I said. The aforementioned politicians and much of the Democratic Party are not in touch with main street America, and by catering to the wealthy and corporations to maintain exorbitant election campaign funds and supporting incremental reforms while society itself is undergoing drastic change and disparity, are all but complicit in the political malaise gripping average Americans.

[Gormwood]

Ill will have you know that any group or issue you support likely has a lobbyist so don;'t make grandiose general statements.

Perhaps so, but at the end of the day said lobbyist should only hold an advisory role and the will of constituents or the people have the final say. Your defense of lobbyists changes nothing I said. The aforementioned politicians and much of the Democratic Party are not in touch with main street America, and by catering to the wealthy and corporations to maintain exorbitant election campaign funds and supporting incremental reforms while society itself is undergoing drastic change and disparity, are all but complicit in the political malaise gripping average Americans.

Because the Republicans are entirely about the people.

[San Lumen]

Ill will have you know that any group or issue you support likely has a lobbyist so don;'t make grandiose general statements.

Perhaps so, but at the end of the day said lobbyist should only hold an advisory role and the will of constituents or the people have the final say. Your defense of lobbyists changes nothing I said. The aforementioned politicians and much of the Democratic Party are not in touch with main street America, and by catering to the wealthy and corporations to maintain exorbitant election campaign funds and supporting incremental reforms while society itself is undergoing drastic change and disparity, are all but complicit in the political malaise gripping average Americans.

I didn't defend lobbyists. I was merely saying don't make generalizations.

[Saturna1ia]

Because the Republicans are entirely about the people.

Are you resorting to whataboutism out of a lack of intelligence or hyperpartisanship? Does the GOP or what it does determine how the Democratic Party should be?

[Kowani]

Like hell "enough"
It's very obvious when a politician, including those that may have originally started out from the humblest of beginnings, has become detached from his/her constituents and beholden to lobbyists and wealthy donors. It's not even necessarily about how long a politician governs for, but who it is that he/she listens to while in power. People shouldn't feel out of touch with the person representing them. Clinton and to a lesser extent Biden embody being out of touch.

I will have you know that any group or issue you support likely has a lobbyist so don;'t make grandiose general statements.

[Man Prodrodia Columbia]

If the bleeding in Metro areas continues any democrat will beat Trump. People just need to get off their butts. If Philadelphia, Detroit and Milwaukee alone had 2012 level turnout he would lose all three states

If people would rather stay home than vote for their candidate, that's on the candidate.

It is a civic duty for a citizen in a democracy to vote, to act like its a "meh if I feel like it" kinda thing horribly cripples the continued strength of democratic institutions. Voting is not just a determination of our individual preference, but an act of executing and preserving your politicial power and the political power of the people. When people don't vote, they surrender that power and create a power vacuum. This vacuum will ONLY be filled by wealth. Apathy towards voting directly gives corporation and the elite the power you once had. When enough people do not exercise this right, money comes to dominate politics and politicians will abide by the consent of the wealth rather than the consent of the governed. Its not even their fault, the individual who doesn's participate in elections is knowingly and willingly ofputting their consent onto those most capable of iezing power, which would be wealth. If you want money out of politics, the first step is to recognize that voting isn't just an individual's whim, "oh I don't know if I feel like it today" It is a duty to preserve a government that derives consent by the people. Someone IS going to be elected in the general election and whether or not you love a candidate or think you are picking a "lesser of two evils" you have to offer a decision or the power behind our vote will be designated to industrial titans such as big oil and corporations whose interest is the STRIPPING of the people's ability to consent to governemt, so they may further perpetuate their control on government.

[Man Prodrodia Columbia]

Also realize that the only concern if you ever want to enact change, is the COURTS. literally doesn't matter how left a democrate is as long as they will appoint a moderate or liberal supreme court justice, and moderate or liberal district court judges. This is how citizens United was determined, this is how gerrymandering was considered constituional, this is how the voting rights act of 1964 was nullified (both rulings in the supreme court split liberal and conservative [conservtives being the majority]), if you care for actual change, literally elect whoever the democrat is and start the now very long and arguis journey to flip the courts because no universal plan Bernie puts up will ever survive the conservative courts. This presidential administration in 2021-2025 will probably not accomplish a whole lot, but if court seats begin to flip back to equillibrium or further to the let, then you have the opportunity to actually push for change without a consitutional amendment (which is practically impossible). This is literally the long game Republicans have been playing for 20 years and now its paying off, and its why they are completely unwilling to follow their constitutional and patriotic duties in the impeachment proceedings.

[San Lumen]

If people would rather stay home than vote for their candidate, that's on the candidate.

It is a civic duty for a citizen in a democracy to vote, to act like its a "meh if I feel like it" kinda thing horribly cripples the continued strength of democratic institutions. Voting is not just a determination of our individual preference, but an act of executing and preserving your politicial power and the political power of the people. When people don't vote, they surrender that power and create a power vacuum. This vacuum will ONLY be filled by wealth. Apathy towards voting directly gives corporation and the elite the power you once had. When enough people do not exercise this right, money comes to dominate politics and politicians will abide by the consent of the wealth rather than the consent of the governed. Its not even their fault, the individual who doesn's participate in elections is knowingly and willingly ofputting their consent onto those most capable of iezing power, which would be wealth. If you want money out of politics, the first step is to recognize that voting isn't just an individual's whim, "oh I don't know if I feel like it today" It is a duty to preserve a government that derives consent by the people. Someone IS going to be elected in the general election and whether or not you love a candidate or think you are picking a "lesser of two evils" you have to offer a decision or the power behind our vote will be designated to industrial titans such as big oil and corporations whose interest is the STRIPPING of the people's ability to consent to governemt, so they may further perpetuate their control on government.

If you don’t vote you have no right to complain. If you don’t like whose running go run for office yourself. Start with local office or the state legislature

[Pasong Tirad]

It is a civic duty for a citizen in a democracy to vote, to act like its a "meh if I feel like it" kinda thing horribly cripples the continued strength of democratic institutions. Voting is not just a determination of our individual preference, but an act of executing and preserving your politicial power and the political power of the people. When people don't vote, they surrender that power and create a power vacuum. This vacuum will ONLY be filled by wealth. Apathy towards voting directly gives corporation and the elite the power you once had. When enough people do not exercise this right, money comes to dominate politics and politicians will abide by the consent of the wealth rather than the consent of the governed. Its not even their fault, the individual who doesn's participate in elections is knowingly and willingly ofputting their consent onto those most capable of iezing power, which would be wealth. If you want money out of politics, the first step is to recognize that voting isn't just an individual's whim, "oh I don't know if I feel like it today" It is a duty to preserve a government that derives consent by the people. Someone IS going to be elected in the general election and whether or not you love a candidate or think you are picking a "lesser of two evils" you have to offer a decision or the power behind our vote will be designated to industrial titans such as big oil and corporations whose interest is the STRIPPING of the people's ability to consent to governemt, so they may further perpetuate their control on government.

If you don’t vote you have no right to complain. If you don’t like whose running go run for office yourself. Start with local office or the state legislature

There's just so many layers of wrong to this. The right to complain isn't stipulated with an addendum. If possible voters don't like a candidate, they won't vote. It is entirely the fault of the candidate if their message fails to resonate. Nobody is obligated to vote if their choices are, hypothetically, hell and "at least we aren't hell." And not everybody is built for a life of public service. Expecting that people "should run" if they don't like anybody running is just... just so wrong I'm not even sure where to begin.

[Lamoni]

Because the Republicans are entirely about the people.

Are you resorting to whataboutism out of a lack of intelligence or hyperpartisanship? Does the GOP or what it does determine how the Democratic Party should be?

There is snark, and then there is flaming. Guess which one you were doing there?
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Bye Kamala, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Now that your run is done, you have time to write an apology to all the working class people you oppressed when you were a prosecutor.

[Man Prodrodia Columbia]

If you don’t vote you have no right to complain. If you don’t like whose running go run for office yourself. Start with local office or the state legislature

There's just so many layers of wrong to this. The right to complain isn't stipulated with an addendum. If possible voters don't like a candidate, they won't vote. It is entirely the fault of the candidate if their message fails to resonate. Nobody is obligated to vote if their choices are, hypothetically, hell and "at least we aren't hell." And not everybody is built for a life of public service. Expecting that people "should run" if they don't like anybody running is just... just so wrong I'm not even sure where to begin.

Okay, just because you aren't inspired by a candidate don't vote, but you HAVE to understand this, the political power of your vote does not simply disappear, it isnt gone, the power behind your vote, when you do not use it, is then gifted to corporations and those with wealth. So even if you dont like any candidate, participating in a vote is an act to preserve your power rather than relinquish it to the vary cause you MOST despise.

[Nazariles]

When will be the next Democratic primary debate?

[Aclion]

Did anyone else see NBC coverage of Kamala Harris's withdrawal? Fucking disgusting.

Okay, just because you aren't inspired by a candidate don't vote, but you HAVE to understand this, the political power of your vote does not simply disappear, it isnt gone, the power behind your vote, when you do not use it, is then gifted to corporations and those with wealth.

Are you sure you should be over in the deep end like that? NS doesn't have life guards.

[Man Prodrodia Columbia]

Did anyone else see NBC coverage of Kama Harris's withdrawal? Fucking disgusting.

Okay, just because you aren't inspired by a candidate don't vote, but you HAVE to understand this, the political power of your vote does not simply disappear, it isnt gone, the power behind your vote, when you do not use it, is then gifted to corporations and those with wealth.

Are you sure you should be over in the deep end like that? NS doesn't have life guards.

Over the deep end how? I know how to swim

[Telconi]

Okay, just because you aren't inspired by a candidate don't vote, but you HAVE to understand this, the political power of your vote does not simply disappear, it isnt gone, the power behind your vote, when you do not use it, is then gifted to corporations and those with wealth. So even if you dont like any candidate, participating in a vote is an act to preserve your power rather than relinquish it to the vary cause you MOST despise.

Pretty sure nothing you wrote relates to the truth on any fashion.

[San Lumen]

Okay, just because you aren't inspired by a candidate don't vote, but you HAVE to understand this, the political power of your vote does not simply disappear, it isnt gone, the power behind your vote, when you do not use it, is then gifted to corporations and those with wealth. So even if you dont like any candidate, participating in a vote is an act to preserve your power rather than relinquish it to the vary cause you MOST despise.

And if you don’t like the candidates go run yourself. A college student was elected to the city council in Ames this year. She thought she could do better and the voters agreed

[Valrifell]

Okay, just because you aren't inspired by a candidate don't vote, but you HAVE to understand this, the political power of your vote does not simply disappear, it isnt gone, the power behind your vote, when you do not use it, is then gifted to corporations and those with wealth. So even if you dont like any candidate, participating in a vote is an act to preserve your power rather than relinquish it to the vary cause you MOST despise.

And if you don’t like the candidates go run yourself. A college student was elected to the city council in Ames this year. She thought she could do better and the voters agreed

Yeah let me just run for uhhhh president of the fucking united states.

[San Lumen]

And if you don’t like the candidates go run yourself. A college student was elected to the city council in Ames this year. She thought she could do better and the voters agreed

Yeah let me just run for uhhhh president of the fucking united states.

I didn’t say that. You could start with local office or state legislature

[Loben The 2nd]

Yeah let me just run for uhhhh president of the fucking united states.

I didn’t say that. You could start with local office or state legislature

With who’s money?

[Cannot think of a name]

I didn’t say that. You could start with local office or state legislature

With who’s money?

Nicks. He's good for it.