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Who do you think had the best performance at tonight’s debate?

Bernie
65
62%
Buttigieg
12
11%
Warren
11
10%
Biden
5
5%
Steyer
4
4%
Klobuchar
8
8%
 
Total votes : 105

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:23 am

Crockerland wrote:

Omar on Trump and Obama comparison: 'One is human, the other is really not'


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Her winning would guaranteed Omar winning. And yeah, it's disturbing this isn't fully condemned, especially on the GOP side.

What's disturbing is that a US congresswoman gave a speech at an event held by the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a designated terrorist organization which advocates on behalf of ISIS members trying to get into America and was closely involved with the Holy Land Foundation, a terrorist funding front organization. It's disturbing that a US congresswoman made a thinly-veiled remark about Jews being loyal to eachother over the nation. It's disturbing that two US congresswomen partnered with a group that claims Jews use the blood of Christians in religious rituals, publishes neo-nazi literature, and celebrates and idolizes terrorists and suicide bombers.

If it were a white man saying the things about Jews Omar has said, attending a rally held by the KKK instead of CAIR, celebrating an artist who participated in the Iranian Holocaust cartoon contest like Omar has, there would be nonstop condemnation from all corners of the political spectrum. Just look at what happened to Steve King. But Omar is just given a free pass because she's a non-white woman.

That's disturbing.


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Postby Gormwood » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:24 am

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None of that's really disturbing. When you look at her district it's not surprising that this sort of person would be elected. What's disturbing is that the Democrats refused to condemn it. It shows that they lack the Republican's willingness to alienate the toxic elements of their party a la Steve King.

Pffft, King is an expendible drop in the bucket compared to Trump. There isn't a collection of people threatening to murder King in his home district either.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:25 am

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None of that's really disturbing. When you look at her district it's not surprising that this sort of person would be elected. What's disturbing is that the Democrats refused to condemn it. It shows that they lack the Republican's willingness to alienate the toxic elements of their party a la Steve King.


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Postby Gormwood » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:27 am

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Crockerland wrote:Omar on Trump and Obama comparison: 'One is human, the other is really not'



What's disturbing is that a US congresswoman gave a speech at an event held by the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a designated terrorist organization which advocates on behalf of ISIS members trying to get into America and was closely involved with the Holy Land Foundation, a terrorist funding front organization. It's disturbing that a US congresswoman made a thinly-veiled remark about Jews being loyal to eachother over the nation. It's disturbing that two US congresswomen partnered with a group that claims Jews use the blood of Christians in religious rituals, publishes neo-nazi literature, and celebrates and idolizes terrorists and suicide bombers.

If it were a white man saying the things about Jews Omar has said, attending a rally held by the KKK instead of CAIR, celebrating an artist who participated in the Iranian Holocaust cartoon contest like Omar has, there would be nonstop condemnation from all corners of the political spectrum. Just look at what happened to Steve King. But Omar is just given a free pass because she's a non-white woman.

That's disturbing.


Didn't Trump say that any Jewish people who voted Democrat were being disloyal to Israel?

And that he, not Jesus was King of the Jews.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:28 am

Crockerland wrote:

Omar on Trump and Obama comparison: 'One is human, the other is really not'


Zurkerx wrote:
Her winning would guaranteed Omar winning. And yeah, it's disturbing this isn't fully condemned, especially on the GOP side.

What's disturbing is that a US congresswoman gave a speech at an event held by the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a designated terrorist organization

By the United Arab Emirates, should probably have included that.

Weird that you're using such a generalised phrase to refer to one specific person, Hoda Muthana.

Not so much close ties as they were alleged ten years ago to be co-conspirators, which they deny.

Why are you using a url shortener to link to a tweet by Josh Jordan instead of the tweet by Omar? Who even is Josh Jordan?

I remember that. The trip that never happened because they were both barred from entering Israel at the behest of Donald Trump.

If it were a white man saying the things about Jews Omar has said, attending a rally held by the KKK instead of CAIR, celebrating an artist who participated in the Iranian Holocaust cartoon contest like Omar has, there would be nonstop condemnation from all corners of the political spectrum. Just look at what happened to Steve King. But Omar is just given a free pass because she's a non-white woman.

Well I doubt this for two reasons. One, you're having to spin pretty hard to make this condemnation of Omar. The worst you seem to be able to say about her directly, as opposed to trying to link her to people who are linked to people who are linked to terrorists, is that she the trip she was planning to take to Palestine involved these Miftah people to some degree, but we can't know how that would have shaken out because the trip never happened. And two, Ilhan Omar doesn't get a free pass. She's criticised constantly. People hate her so much they want her dead. You should know, that's what you're responding to.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:58 am

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By the United Arab Emirates, should probably have included that.

Weird that you're using such a generalised phrase to refer to one specific person, Hoda Muthana.

Not so much close ties as they were alleged ten years ago to be co-conspirators, which they deny.

Why are you using a url shortener to link to a tweet by Josh Jordan instead of the tweet by Omar? Who even is Josh Jordan?

I remember that. The trip that never happened because they were both barred from entering Israel at the behest of Donald Trump.

If it were a white man saying the things about Jews Omar has said, attending a rally held by the KKK instead of CAIR, celebrating an artist who participated in the Iranian Holocaust cartoon contest like Omar has, there would be nonstop condemnation from all corners of the political spectrum. Just look at what happened to Steve King. But Omar is just given a free pass because she's a non-white woman.

Well I doubt this for two reasons. One, you're having to spin pretty hard to make this condemnation of Omar. The worst you seem to be able to say about her directly, as opposed to trying to link her to people who are linked to people who are linked to terrorists, is that she the trip she was planning to take to Palestine involved these Miftah people to some degree, but we can't know how that would have shaken out because the trip never happened. And two, Ilhan Omar doesn't get a free pass. She's criticised constantly. People hate her so much they want her dead. You should know, that's what you're responding to.


Pretty much. I'm not a fan of her and some of the things that come out of her mouth are as dumb as what The Squad says, but to accuse her of being a associated to terrorists, especially without hard evidence and only on speculation (half of these sources are questionable to begin with), is really stretching here. Not to mention, she has been criticized constantly by both sides.
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Postby Asle Leopolka » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:08 am

In non-Squad related news, Montana governor Steve Bullock drops his presidential campaign. No surprise there.
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:12 am

Zurkerx wrote:
Ifreann wrote:By the United Arab Emirates, should probably have included that.

Weird that you're using such a generalised phrase to refer to one specific person, Hoda Muthana.

Not so much close ties as they were alleged ten years ago to be co-conspirators, which they deny.

Why are you using a url shortener to link to a tweet by Josh Jordan instead of the tweet by Omar? Who even is Josh Jordan?

I remember that. The trip that never happened because they were both barred from entering Israel at the behest of Donald Trump.


Well I doubt this for two reasons. One, you're having to spin pretty hard to make this condemnation of Omar. The worst you seem to be able to say about her directly, as opposed to trying to link her to people who are linked to people who are linked to terrorists, is that she the trip she was planning to take to Palestine involved these Miftah people to some degree, but we can't know how that would have shaken out because the trip never happened. And two, Ilhan Omar doesn't get a free pass. She's criticised constantly. People hate her so much they want her dead. You should know, that's what you're responding to.


Pretty much. I'm not a fan of her and some of the things that come out of her mouth are as dumb as what The Squad says, but to accuse her of being a associated to terrorists, especially without hard evidence and only on speculation (half of these sources are questionable to begin with), is really stretching here. Not to mention, she has been criticized constantly by both sides.

Does anyone actually take the “squad” seriously?
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:14 am

Asle Leopolka wrote:In non-Squad related news, Montana governor Steve Bullock drops his presidential campaign. No surprise there.

He’s a very conservative Democrat, no way he was going to win the primary even if he was relevant
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:16 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Pretty much. I'm not a fan of her and some of the things that come out of her mouth are as dumb as what The Squad says, but to accuse her of being a associated to terrorists, especially without hard evidence and only on speculation (half of these sources are questionable to begin with), is really stretching here. Not to mention, she has been criticized constantly by both sides.

Does anyone actually take the “squad” seriously?

Anyone right-wing who wants to shriek about imaginary boogiewomen giving them way more influence and power than they actually have to scare the base to the polls.
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:19 am

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Aureumterra wrote:Does anyone actually take the “squad” seriously?

Anyone right-wing who wants to shriek about imaginary boogiewomen giving them way more influence and power than they actually have to scare the base to the polls.

Doesn’t help that they’re all brown, not too popular with the white nationalist demographic I’m assuming
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:20 am

Gormwood wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Does anyone actually take the “squad” seriously?

Anyone right-wing who wants to shriek about imaginary boogiewomen giving them way more influence and power than they actually have to scare the base to the polls.


That is rather uncharitable Gauthier. They've plenty of pull. Just look at what a good job they did of dissuading Clinton when she tested the waters :^)

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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:51 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Pretty much. I'm not a fan of her and some of the things that come out of her mouth are as dumb as what The Squad says, but to accuse her of being a associated to terrorists, especially without hard evidence and only on speculation (half of these sources are questionable to begin with), is really stretching here. Not to mention, she has been criticized constantly by both sides.

Does anyone actually take the “squad” seriously?


I personally don't though their influence over the "Progressives" is astonishing. Yet, it hasn't moved the needle much for Sanders, whom The Squad had endorsed. I'll give them credit for being courageous with pushing their goals but their views are not that great.
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Postby Aclion » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:52 am

Gormwood wrote:
Aclion wrote:None of that's really disturbing. When you look at her district it's not surprising that this sort of person would be elected. What's disturbing is that the Democrats refused to condemn it. It shows that they lack the Republican's willingness to alienate the toxic elements of their party a la Steve King.

Pffft, King is an expendible drop in the bucket compared to Trump. There isn't a collection of people threatening to murder King in his home district either.

Trump is not a member of the house of representatives so i'm not sure how he's relevant.

Aureumterra wrote:Does anyone actually take the “squad” seriously?

The squad is willing to breaks ranks with the saner dems in favor of radical positions, and has the ablity to spoil their majority in the house. which means that pelosi needs to do dumb shit, like hold that public impeachment inquiry in order to keep them appeased. So they need to be taken a seriously as anything the democrats are doing in the house. Their election success' also emboldened progressives to run in the democrat primary
In other words, no.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:16 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
Pretty much. I'm not a fan of her and some of the things that come out of her mouth are as dumb as what The Squad says, but to accuse her of being a associated to terrorists, especially without hard evidence and only on speculation (half of these sources are questionable to begin with), is really stretching here. Not to mention, she has been criticized constantly by both sides.

Does anyone actually take the “squad” seriously?

Fox viewers seem to think they live under their bed and steal the souls their cats in the evening.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:22 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Does anyone actually take the “squad” seriously?

Fox viewers seem to think they live under their bed and steal the souls their cats in the evening.


I am missing a cat. :(

She is probably hiding in the garage though.

I will take a look at Omar’s house just to be sure.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:27 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Does anyone actually take the “squad” seriously?

Fox viewers seem to think they live under their bed and steal the souls their cats in the evening.

The real crime here is that the media couldn't come up with better branding than "The Squad".
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Postby Asle Leopolka » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:29 am

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Zurkerx wrote:
Pretty much. I'm not a fan of her and some of the things that come out of her mouth are as dumb as what The Squad says, but to accuse her of being a associated to terrorists, especially without hard evidence and only on speculation (half of these sources are questionable to begin with), is really stretching here. Not to mention, she has been criticized constantly by both sides.

Does anyone actually take the “squad” seriously?

Outside of progressives? Not really; they won because they represent extremely progressive districts. I live in a fairly liberal area and while the Squad has support here, their supporters are very much in the minority. That being said, their ability to force action in the House via their supporters is impressive, but IMO the long-term implications of their actions will do more harm than good.
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:06 am

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Aureumterra wrote:Does anyone actually take the “squad” seriously?

Fox viewers seem to think they live under their bed and steal the souls their cats in the evening.

That’s giving them way too much credit for what they actually do
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:07 am

Ifreann wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Fox viewers seem to think they live under their bed and steal the souls their cats in the evening.

The real crime here is that the media couldn't come up with better branding than "The Squad".


Good question. One also wonders who thought "throuple" was a good word :^)

No wonder media is dying tbh

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:14 am

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Cannot think of a name wrote:Fox viewers seem to think they live under their bed and steal the souls their cats in the evening.

That’s giving them way too much credit for what they actually do

Well, yeah.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:16 am

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Gormwood wrote:Pffft, King is an expendible drop in the bucket compared to Trump. There isn't a collection of people threatening to murder King in his home district either.

Trump is not a member of the house of representatives so i'm not sure how he's relevant.

You virtue signalled about how the Republicans are willing to alienate toxic members of their own party unlike the Democrats and when I point out that the most toxic member of them all is not alienated by them one bit you move the goalpost to the House. Nice.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:17 am

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Cannot think of a name wrote:Fox viewers seem to think they live under their bed and steal the souls their cats in the evening.

The real crime here is that the media couldn't come up with better branding than "The Squad".

Spice Girls was already taken.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:19 am

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Zurkerx wrote:
Pretty much. I'm not a fan of her and some of the things that come out of her mouth are as dumb as what The Squad says, but to accuse her of being a associated to terrorists, especially without hard evidence and only on speculation (half of these sources are questionable to begin with), is really stretching here. Not to mention, she has been criticized constantly by both sides.

Does anyone actually take the “squad” seriously?



They are concerning because they are a preview of what most politicians will be like in 20 years.
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Postby Nakena » Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:22 am

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Aureumterra wrote:Does anyone actually take the “squad” seriously?



They are concerning because they are a preview of what most politicians will be like in 20 years.


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