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Who do you think had the best performance at tonight’s debate?

Bernie
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62%
Buttigieg
12
11%
Warren
11
10%
Biden
5
5%
Steyer
4
4%
Klobuchar
8
8%
 
Total votes : 105

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:18 pm

Telconi wrote:
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Omar is safe regardless of who wins the primary. The district contains the entirety of Minneapolis which had been a Democratic stronghold for decades. It’s extremely unlikely any republican could win there.

I would the state party would disown Stella. Maybe they will if she wins the primary.


Why would they do that?

Maybe because she’s clearly insane. This is a woman whose been charged with shoplifting.
She faces four other candidates in the primary so she’s not guaranteed of getting the nomination. Safe districts like this seem to result in the nuttiest people running. None of the candidates running for the republican nomination have a serious chance in this district

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Postby Telconi » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:24 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Why would they do that?

Maybe because she’s clearly insane. This is a woman whose been charged with shoplifting.
She faces four other candidates in the primary so she’s not guaranteed of getting the nomination. Safe districts like this seem to result in the nuttiest people running. None of the candidates running for the republican nomination have a serious chance in this district


People who are accused of shoplifting are insane? Or people who run for office in places they're unlikely to win in are insane?

Either conclusion seems odd, shoplifting is hardly a serious crime, and for someone who always harps on people to run for office, you seem awfully offended when people actually run for office.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:30 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Maybe because she’s clearly insane. This is a woman whose been charged with shoplifting.
She faces four other candidates in the primary so she’s not guaranteed of getting the nomination. Safe districts like this seem to result in the nuttiest people running. None of the candidates running for the republican nomination have a serious chance in this district


People who are accused of shoplifting are insane? Or people who run for office in places they're unlikely to win in are insane?

Either conclusion seems odd, shoplifting is hardly a serious crime, and for someone who always harps on people to run for office, you seem awfully offended when people actually run for office.

That’s not what I said. Stella also called for the incumbent to be hung for treason.

I hardly said people who run in areas they are unlikely to win insane. What I said was they tend to attract nutty candidates. I didn’t say all of them
Are insane.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
People who are accused of shoplifting are insane? Or people who run for office in places they're unlikely to win in are insane?

Either conclusion seems odd, shoplifting is hardly a serious crime, and for someone who always harps on people to run for office, you seem awfully offended when people actually run for office.

That’s not what I said. Stella also called for the incumbent to be hung for treason.

I hardly said people who run in areas they are unlikely to win insane. What I said was they tend to attract nutty candidates. I didn’t say all of them
Are insane.


The penalty for treason is capital punishment.

I'm curious why you believe her to be insane, seems to me to just be dislike for people who dare to disagree with you.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Dec 01, 2019 9:51 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That’s not what I said. Stella also called for the incumbent to be hung for treason.

I hardly said people who run in areas they are unlikely to win insane. What I said was they tend to attract nutty candidates. I didn’t say all of them
Are insane.


The penalty for treason is capital punishment.

I'm curious why you believe her to be insane, seems to me to just be dislike for people who dare to disagree with you.

Rep. Omar hasn’t committed treason.

Have you read about Stella? I don’t call just anyone insane. This woman is unwell. Check out her history and watch some videos of her
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Postby Telconi » Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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The penalty for treason is capital punishment.

I'm curious why you believe her to be insane, seems to me to just be dislike for people who dare to disagree with you.

Rep. Omar hasn’t committed treason.

Have you read about Stella? I don’t call just anyone insane. This woman is unwell. Check out her history and watch some videos of her


Got some proof?

I have. Didn't say you did, I only said that the criteria by which you decide to call someone insane seem to have little to do with actual insanity.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:32 pm

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Liriena wrote:I'm going to try finding a source on it but, IIRC, Twitter did say something along the lines that they can't consistently apply their rules when it comes to white supremacism, like they do for other forms of extremism, because then they'd have to kick a bunch of Republican politicians out of the platform.

I gotcha.

You've humored me by sourcing Vice of all things. We have the word of a single Twitter employee that uses hearsay, all without a set of guidelines to determine what content is actually white nationalist.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:37 pm

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Rep. Omar hasn’t committed treason.

Have you read about Stella? I don’t call just anyone insane. This woman is unwell. Check out her history and watch some videos of her


Got some proof?

I have. Didn't say you did, I only said that the criteria by which you decide to call someone insane seem to have little to do with actual insanity.


There is no proof Omar did anything wrong. Here is a source that says Stella's claim is nonsense: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 339678002/

I am calling Stella that because based on her actions and comments she clearly is. She called Twitter banning her proof of them always siding with terrorists and traitors. Insane might not be good word. Unwell is better.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:44 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Got some proof?

I have. Didn't say you did, I only said that the criteria by which you decide to call someone insane seem to have little to do with actual insanity.


There is no proof Omar did anything wrong. Here is a source that says Stella's claim is nonsense: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 339678002/

I am calling Stella that because based on her actions and comments she clearly is. She called Twitter banning her proof of them always siding with terrorists and traitors. Insane might not be good word. Unwell is better.

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:10 pm

Gormwood wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
There is no proof Omar did anything wrong. Here is a source that says Stella's claim is nonsense: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 339678002/

I am calling Stella that because based on her actions and comments she clearly is. She called Twitter banning her proof of them always siding with terrorists and traitors. Insane might not be good word. Unwell is better.

Fanatical.

Not only that but she also has no regard for the legal system either: http://www.citypages.com/news/warrant-i ... /563649391

Neither she or her lawyer showed up in court for theft charges back in October for shoplifting. If convicted of her theft charges she faces up too five years in prison and a hefty fine. Why hasn’t this woman been arrested yet if a warrant out for her?
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Postby Telconi » Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Got some proof?

I have. Didn't say you did, I only said that the criteria by which you decide to call someone insane seem to have little to do with actual insanity.


There is no proof Omar did anything wrong. Here is a source that says Stella's claim is nonsense: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 339678002/

I am calling Stella that because based on her actions and comments she clearly is. She called Twitter banning her proof of them always siding with terrorists and traitors. Insane might not be good word. Unwell is better.


Okay, and?

You mean disagreeing with you?
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Postby Blargoblarg » Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:02 am

Democrat Joe Sestak drops out of 2020 presidential race

Considering he was stuck at 0% in the polls and never made it into any debates, I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did.
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Postby Crockerland » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:46 am


Omar on Trump and Obama comparison: 'One is human, the other is really not'


Zurkerx wrote:
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Yeah it's not like any major Republican figure has said abusive things about Omar or accused her of treason...

If anything, this may help Stella win the primary. There's already been arenas full of trump supporters saying they want Omar deported and that's just because they disagree with her. I'd be surprised if majorities of Republicans didn't think that tweet was fine.


Her winning would guaranteed Omar winning. And yeah, it's disturbing this isn't fully condemned, especially on the GOP side.

What's disturbing is that a US congresswoman gave a speech at an event held by the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a designated terrorist organization which advocates on behalf of ISIS members trying to get into America and was closely involved with the Holy Land Foundation, a terrorist funding front organization. It's disturbing that a US congresswoman made a thinly-veiled remark about Jews being loyal to eachother over the nation. It's disturbing that two US congresswomen partnered with a group that claims Jews use the blood of Christians in religious rituals, publishes neo-nazi literature, and celebrates and idolizes terrorists and suicide bombers.

If it were a white man saying the things about Jews Omar has said, attending a rally held by the KKK instead of CAIR, celebrating an artist who participated in the Iranian Holocaust cartoon contest like Omar has, there would be nonstop condemnation from all corners of the political spectrum. Just look at what happened to Steve King. But Omar is just given a free pass because she's a non-white woman.

That's disturbing.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:33 am

Two bad things don't justify one or the other, you realize.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:33 am

Blargoblarg wrote:Democrat Joe Sestak drops out of 2020 presidential race

Considering he was stuck at 0% in the polls and never made it into any debates, I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did.


Who?
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:35 am

Crockerland wrote:

Omar on Trump and Obama comparison: 'One is human, the other is really not'


Zurkerx wrote:
Her winning would guaranteed Omar winning. And yeah, it's disturbing this isn't fully condemned, especially on the GOP side.

What's disturbing is that a US congresswoman gave a speech at an event held by the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a designated terrorist organization which advocates on behalf of ISIS members trying to get into America and was closely involved with the Holy Land Foundation, a terrorist funding front organization. It's disturbing that a US congresswoman made a thinly-veiled remark about Jews being loyal to eachother over the nation. It's disturbing that two US congresswomen partnered with a group that claims Jews use the blood of Christians in religious rituals, publishes neo-nazi literature, and celebrates and idolizes terrorists and suicide bombers.

If it were a white man saying the things about Jews Omar has said, attending a rally held by the KKK instead of CAIR, celebrating an artist who participated in the Iranian Holocaust cartoon contest like Omar has, there would be nonstop condemnation from all corners of the political spectrum. Just look at what happened to Steve King. But Omar is just given a free pass because she's a non-white woman.

That's disturbing.


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Postby Loben The 2nd » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:38 am

Valrifell wrote:Two bad things don't justify one or the other, you realize.

It’s more one gets a free pass while the other gets crucified.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:42 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Valrifell wrote:Two bad things don't justify one or the other, you realize.

It’s more one gets a free pass while the other gets crucified.

So who did Omar call for to be hanged, or otherwise killed?
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:49 am

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Loben The 2nd wrote:It’s more one gets a free pass while the other gets crucified.

So who did Omar call for to be hanged, or otherwise killed?

No one that we know of
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:50 am

Blargoblarg wrote:Democrat Joe Sestak drops out of 2020 presidential race

Considering he was stuck at 0% in the polls and never made it into any debates, I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did.


I'm even surprised he got into the race to begin with... good thing he finally saw the light.

Also, Governor Bullock dropped his White House bid, and he won't run for Senate.

Unsurprisingly, he was polling 0 to maybe 1%. Not shocking too is the fact he won't run for the Senate, where he would have the best shot of taking it for the Democrats. He must be salty.
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:50 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So who did Omar call for to be hanged, or otherwise killed?

No one that we know of

Very good.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:53 am

Gormwood wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:No one that we know of

Very good.

She is however accused of being A Qatari asset.

Personally I feel she should be thoroughly investigated.

And rigorously questioned by the FBI and CIA.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:02 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Very good.

She is however accused of being A Qatari asset.

Personally I feel she should be thoroughly investigated.

And rigorously questioned by the FBI and CIA.

Since when was the accusation of being a foreign asset enough to warrant an investigation? Or are you saying that we should have rigorously investigated Trump in 2016 and we should still do it now?

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Postby Gormwood » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:07 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:She is however accused of being A Qatari asset.

Personally I feel she should be thoroughly investigated.

And rigorously questioned by the FBI and CIA.

Since when was the accusation of being a foreign asset enough to warrant an investigation? Or are you saying that we should have rigorously investigated Trump in 2016 and we should still do it now?

Benefit of the doubt only applies to Republicans, silly. Democrats must be investigated on the slightest accusation.
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Postby Aclion » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:22 am


None of that's really disturbing. When you look at her district it's not surprising that this sort of person would be elected. What's disturbing is that the Democrats refused to condemn it. It shows that they lack the Republican's willingness to alienate the toxic elements of their party a la Steve King.
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