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2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

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Who do you think had the best performance at tonight’s debate?

Bernie
65
62%
Buttigieg
12
11%
Warren
11
10%
Biden
5
5%
Steyer
4
4%
Klobuchar
8
8%
 
Total votes : 105

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:28 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Dan Behrman is the current Libertarian Frontrunner according to the polls I can find. :rofl:

>imagine thinking taxation is theft but profit isn't
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:30 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:>imagine thinking taxation is theft but profit isn't

Billionaires are theft.

Billionaires are the ones making profit...
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Postby Telconi » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:31 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Ironic

:?:


Just a pot and kettle situation.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:38 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Billionaires are the ones making profit...

I don't believe profit is theft-I like videogames and am a social democrat-but excessive wealth like that harms the people drastically and is treason to the working class and middle class and those working for a better life. Billionaires should be tossed in prison for exploitation of the working class.


Oh boy, """The working class"""
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Postby Telconi » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:57 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Oh boy, """The working class"""

What are you insinuating I'm actually talking about? :eyebrow:


You're hijacking the supposed will of millions of people to push a political view that many of those people oppose.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:27 pm

Telconi wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote: :?:


Just a pot and kettle situation.


You're using that phrase incorrectly.

Telconi wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:What are you insinuating I'm actually talking about? :eyebrow:


You're hijacking the supposed will of millions of people to push a political view that many of those people oppose.


Now here is where that phrase can be used, against you of course.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:29 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Aureumterra wrote: :rofl:


So you're fine with him bankrolling a tsunami of anti-Trump ads unfettered by campaign finance rules he'd be subject to as a donor or through a PAC?


He could just form a Super PAC, the rules of which are so loose that it's quite the problem, from what I hear.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:31 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Just a pot and kettle situation.


You're using that phrase incorrectly.


I'm not, but thanks for trying lying.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:32 pm

Telconi wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:What are you insinuating I'm actually talking about? :eyebrow:


You're hijacking the supposed will of millions of people to push a political view that many of those people oppose.

A lot of people, whether they call themselves that or not, have lots of anti-capitalist sentiments. Politicians just find ways to divert their attention, usually along the lines of "Immigrants took r jobs!!!" or some other deflection.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:33 pm

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
You're using that phrase incorrectly.


I'm not, but thanks for trying lying.


You still have that concerningly personal persecution complex where evey one who says something you disagree with is lying to smear your wholesome and good name?
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Postby Telconi » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:38 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I'm not, but thanks for trying lying.


You still have that concerningly personal persecution complex where evey one who says something you disagree with is lying to smear your wholesome and good name?


Everyone who lies is lying. Which includes you in your previous post.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:39 pm

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Telconi wrote:
You're hijacking the supposed will of millions of people to push a political view that many of those people oppose.

A lot of people, whether they call themselves that or not, have lots of anti-capitalist sentiments. Politicians just find ways to divert their attention, usually along the lines of "Immigrants took r jobs!!!" or some other deflection.


Okay, so? This in no way supports the idea that there's some homogeneous "working class" that has any discernible political beliefs.
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-Unnecessary Taxes
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-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Valrifell » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:48 pm

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
You still have that concerningly personal persecution complex where evey one who says something you disagree with is lying to smear your wholesome and good name?


Everyone who lies is lying. Which includes you in your previous post.


Stop lying.

Ohoohoo, this is excillersting! I see why you do it. Wow, what a rush.

Anywho, Bloomberg is a laughably bad candidate who much of the country can't stand, he already has a successful personal brand so he only has everything to lose.

Plus Warren and Sanders might give him a heart attack from their anti-billionaire rhetoric. I'm concerned for his health, see.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:49 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Everyone who lies is lying. Which includes you in your previous post.


Stop lying.

Ohoohoo, this is excillersting! I see why you do it. Wow, what a rush.

Anywho, Bloomberg is a laughably bad candidate who much of the country can't stand, he already has a successful personal brand so he only has everything to lose.

Plus Warren and Sanders might give him a heart attack from their anti-billionaire rhetoric. I'm concerned for his health, see.


Are you five? Or just that immature?
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ANTI:
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-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:51 pm

Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Stop lying.

Ohoohoo, this is excillersting! I see why you do it. Wow, what a rush.

Anywho, Bloomberg is a laughably bad candidate who much of the country can't stand, he already has a successful personal brand so he only has everything to lose.

Plus Warren and Sanders might give him a heart attack from their anti-billionaire rhetoric. I'm concerned for his health, see.


Are you five? Or just that immature?


no u.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:52 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So the theory is that Bloomberg isn't actually serious about running. Hes just announced himself as a candidate to get around rules on advertising spending.

Explain.

I can't say that I'm familiar with this theory, but at a guess, candidates aren't limited in how much they can spend on their own campaigns in the same way that people are limited in how much they can donate to a campaign. I don't know if that's true or if that's what Vass was getting at, but that's all I can think of.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:54 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Explain.

I can't say that I'm familiar with this theory, but at a guess, candidates aren't limited in how much they can spend on their own campaigns in the same way that people are limited in how much they can donate to a campaign. I don't know if that's true or if that's what Vass was getting at, but that's all I can think of.


They're limited the same way any citizen is limited, iirc, with the added restriction they can't serve in Super PACs.
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Postby Imma be imma be » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:02 pm

What about Donald Trump :/?

Can't leave him out. He's already achieved so much and it's not even the end of his term yet. America should be glad to finally have a leader who can shake hands with somebody who most people despise like Putin, while not taking shit from Lefty leaders from Europe taking advantage of America.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:25 pm

Imma be imma be wrote:What about Donald Trump :/?

Can't leave him out. He's already achieved so much and it's not even the end of his term yet. America should be glad to finally have a leader who can shake hands with somebody who most people despise like Putin, while not taking shit from Lefty leaders from Europe taking advantage of America.


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Postby San Lumen » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:29 pm

Imma be imma be wrote:What about Donald Trump :/?

Can't leave him out. He's already achieved so much and it's not even the end of his term yet. America should be glad to finally have a leader who can shake hands with somebody who most people despise like Putin, while not taking shit from Lefty leaders from Europe taking advantage of America.

I wish the rest of the world would cut us off financially and stop loaning us money we never pay back and tell Trump he isn’t welcome at global summits
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:41 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Imma be imma be wrote:What about Donald Trump :/?

Can't leave him out. He's already achieved so much and it's not even the end of his term yet. America should be glad to finally have a leader who can shake hands with somebody who most people despise like Putin, while not taking shit from Lefty leaders from Europe taking advantage of America.

I wish the rest of the world would cut us off financially and stop loaning us money we never pay back and tell Trump he isn’t welcome at global summits


so you wish for global economic meltdown the scale of which would be greater then the great depression which would cause even WORSE shit to happen?
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Imma be imma be wrote:What about Donald Trump :/?

Can't leave him out. He's already achieved so much and it's not even the end of his term yet. America should be glad to finally have a leader who can shake hands with somebody who most people despise like Putin, while not taking shit from Lefty leaders from Europe taking advantage of America.

I wish the rest of the world would cut us off financially and stop loaning us money we never pay back and tell Trump he isn’t welcome at global summits

They don't lend us money, they buy our treasure notes. And why should they, when those notes pay very nicely?
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Postby San Montalbano » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:44 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I wish the rest of the world would cut us off financially and stop loaning us money we never pay back and tell Trump he isn’t welcome at global summits


so you wish for global economic meltdown the scale of which would be greater then the great depression which would cause even WORSE shit to happen?


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Postby Ifreann » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:55 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I can't say that I'm familiar with this theory, but at a guess, candidates aren't limited in how much they can spend on their own campaigns in the same way that people are limited in how much they can donate to a campaign. I don't know if that's true or if that's what Vass was getting at, but that's all I can think of.


They're limited the same way any citizen is limited, iirc, with the added restriction they can't serve in Super PACs.

Then i dunno.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:55 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Imma be imma be wrote:What about Donald Trump :/?

Can't leave him out. He's already achieved so much and it's not even the end of his term yet. America should be glad to finally have a leader who can shake hands with somebody who most people despise like Putin, while not taking shit from Lefty leaders from Europe taking advantage of America.


Psssst. The list has a common element. Can you spot the link between them all?

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