2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

We finally agree on something San Lumen and that is not right. We also agree on Trump's betrayal of the Kurds.

Common ground can always be found

Added to my previous post.

[Tombradyonia]

Posted by Tombradyonia:
've often wondered if it is my personal perception that "those on the right" tend to lie or bend/twist the facts more often than "those on the left".
Within the Trump era, it is definately true that the "right" lies more.

No many of your fellow leftists or Anti Trumpers say this, at least I say both sides do it equally and I get attacked as wrong again. Any thing I post in defense of Trump is wrong, anything they post against Trump is right, based on facts, based on their own facts, why am I not surprised.

Hillary called Trump supporters deplorables and a basket of deplorables and the deplorables won. A certain nation not you, called me a snowflake. Now I am a deplorable and a snowflake and I wear it with Pride. 2 African American Democrat leaders, one of them a pastorcalled African American supporters of Trump mentally ill people, shame on the pastor, but those African American mentally ill persons should wear it with Pride.

Both sides don't do it equally.

False equivalence is harming democracy

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/ (29% of statements at least half true)
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/ (73% of statements at least half true)

You know what also happens? In order to achieve this "equivalence" democrats get held to higher standards than republicans (not that you would know this from snowflake Trump's endless complaints).

[Telconi]

Posted by Tombradyonia:
've often wondered if it is my personal perception that "those on the right" tend to lie or bend/twist the facts more often than "those on the left".
Within the Trump era, it is definately true that the "right" lies more.

No many of your fellow leftists or Anti Trumpers say this, at least I say both sides do it equally and I get attacked as wrong again. Any thing I post in defense of Trump is wrong, anything they post against Trump is right, based on facts, based on their own facts, why am I not surprised.

Hillary called Trump supporters deplorables and a basket of deplorables and the deplorables won. A certain nation not you, called me a snowflake. Now I am a deplorable and a snowflake and I wear it with Pride. 2 African American Democrat leaders, one of them a pastorcalled African American supporters of Trump mentally ill people, shame on the pastor, but those African American mentally ill persons should wear it with Pride.

Both sides don't do it equally.

False equivalence is harming democracy

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/ (29% of statements at least half true)
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/ (73% of statements at least half true)

You know what also happens? In order to achieve this "equivalence" democrats get held to higher standards than republicans (not that you would know this from snowflake Trump's endless complaints).

Apparently there are two people in America?

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

Posted by Tombradyonia:
've often wondered if it is my personal perception that "those on the right" tend to lie or bend/twist the facts more often than "those on the left".
Within the Trump era, it is definately true that the "right" lies more.

No many of your fellow leftists or Anti Trumpers say this, at least I say both sides do it equally and I get attacked as wrong again. Any thing I post in defense of Trump is wrong, anything they post against Trump is right, based on facts, based on their own facts, why am I not surprised.

Hillary called Trump supporters deplorables and a basket of deplorables and the deplorables won. A certain nation not you, called me a snowflake. Now I am a deplorable and a snowflake and I wear it with Pride. 2 African American Democrat leaders, one of them a pastorcalled African American supporters of Trump mentally ill people, shame on the pastor, but those African American mentally ill persons should wear it with Pride.

Both sides don't do it equally.

False equivalence is harming democracy

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/ (29% of statements at least half true)
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/ (73% of statements at least half true)

You know what also happens? In order to achieve this "equivalence" democrats get held to higher standards than republicans (not that you would know this from snowflake Trump's endless complaints).

To me personally if both parties do it they do it equally, no one can qualify it, and both is wrong. Lets admit it and not defend either party for less corruption.

lol I now I am a proud deplorable and a proud snowflake, I wear it with Pride lol.

[Ifreann]

Both sides don't do it equally.

False equivalence is harming democracy

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/ (29% of statements at least half true)
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/ (73% of statements at least half true)

You know what also happens? In order to achieve this "equivalence" democrats get held to higher standards than republicans (not that you would know this from snowflake Trump's endless complaints).

To me personally if both parties do it they do it equally, no one can qualify it, and both is wrong. Lets admit it and not defend either party for less corruption.

But you can quantify how much someone lies. You could quantify how much Republican politicians lie and how much Democrats politicians lie.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

To me personally if both parties do it they do it equally, no one can qualify it, and both is wrong. Lets admit it and not defend either party for less corruption.

But you can quantify how much someone lies. You could quantify how much Republican politicians lie and how much Democrats politicians lie.

To me personally if both parties do it they do it equally, no one can qualify it, and both is wrong. Lets admit it and not defend either party for less corruption.

According to Republicans and Democrats lol.
Republicans Democrats lie more than we do.
Democrats Republicans lie more than Democrats.
Based on facts, but the Republicans are entitled to their own opinions, but not to their own facts - lol.

Lol now I am a proud deplorable and a proud snowflake, I wear it with Pride lol.

Same answer to you Ifreann.

[Ifreann]

But you can quantify how much someone lies. You could quantify how much Republican politicians lie and how much Democrats politicians lie.

To me personally if both parties do it they do it equally, no one can qualify it, and both is wrong. Lets admit it and not defend either party for less corruption.

Lol now I am a proud deplorable and a proud snowflake, I wear it with Pride lol.

Same answer to you Ifreann.

But you can quantify how much each party lies. It's entirely possible that one party lies more than the other and we can just count their lies to check.

[Telconi]

To me personally if both parties do it they do it equally, no one can qualify it, and both is wrong. Lets admit it and not defend either party for less corruption.

Lol now I am a proud deplorable and a proud snowflake, I wear it with Pride lol.

Same answer to you Ifreann.

But you can quantify how much each party lies. It's entirely possible that one party lies more than the other and we can just count their lies to check.

To what end? If two people rob a store, they're both robbers, irregardless of the amount of money each made away with.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

To me personally if both parties do it they do it equally, no one can qualify it, and both is wrong. Lets admit it and not defend either party for less corruption.

Lol now I am a proud deplorable and a proud snowflake, I wear it with Pride lol.

Same answer to you Ifreann.

But you can quantify how much each party lies. It's entirely possible that one party lies more than the other and we can just count their lies to check.

To me personally if both parties do it they do it equally, no one can qualify it, and both is wrong. Lets admit it and not defend either party for less corruption.

According to Republicans and Democrats lol.
Republicans Democrats lie more than we do.
Democrats Republicans lie more than Democrats.
Based on facts, but the Republicans are entitled to their own opinions, but not to their own facts - lol.

Lol now I am a proud deplorable and a proud snowflake, I wear it with Pride lol.

Same answer to you Ifreann.

[Vassenor]

To me personally if both parties do it they do it equally, no one can qualify it, and both is wrong. Lets admit it and not defend either party for less corruption.

But you can quantify how much someone lies. You could quantify how much Republican politicians lie and how much Democrats politicians lie.

But that's bad for the BUT BOTH SIDES ARE EQUALLY BAD deflection.

[Ifreann]

But you can quantify how much each party lies. It's entirely possible that one party lies more than the other and we can just count their lies to check.

To what end? If two people rob a store, they're both robbers, irregardless of the amount of money each made away with.

In fact, stealing money above a certain limit is charged as a different crime.

[Telconi]

To what end? If two people rob a store, they're both robbers, irregardless of the amount of money each made away with.

In fact, stealing money above a certain limit is charged as a different crime.

So?

Nobody is getting charged for lying, they're being called a liar.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

But you can quantify how much someone lies. You could quantify how much Republican politicians lie and how much Democrats politicians lie.

But that's bad for the BUT BOTH SIDES ARE EQUALLY BAD deflection.

How many times have you accused me of deflections when we disagree especially on Trump, I would a Billionaire $ like Trump by now.

No its not Vassenor - But that's bad for the BUT BOTH SIDES ARE EQUALLY BAD deflection. lol.

Ain't Debating fun.

[Ifreann]

But you can quantify how much each party lies. It's entirely possible that one party lies more than the other and we can just count their lies to check.

To me personally if both parties do it they do it equally, no one can qualify it, and both is wrong. Lets admit it and not defend either party for less corruption.

According to Republicans and Democrats lol.
Republicans Democrats lie more than we do.
Democrats Republicans lie more than Democrats.
Based on facts, but the Republicans are entitled to their own opinions, but not to their own facts - lol.

Lol now I am a proud deplorable and a proud snowflake, I wear it with Pride lol.

Same answer to you Ifreann.

But you can quantify how much each party lies. Do you not understand this? You keep saying that no one can qualify it, but we can, we 100% can.

[Telconi]

To me personally if both parties do it they do it equally, no one can qualify it, and both is wrong. Lets admit it and not defend either party for less corruption.

According to Republicans and Democrats lol.
Republicans Democrats lie more than we do.
Democrats Republicans lie more than Democrats.
Based on facts, but the Republicans are entitled to their own opinions, but not to their own facts - lol.

Lol now I am a proud deplorable and a proud snowflake, I wear it with Pride lol.

Same answer to you Ifreann.

But you can quantify how much each party lies. Do you not understand this? You keep saying that no one can qualify it, but we can, we 100% can.

Quantifying and qualifying are distinctly different things.

[Ifreann]

In fact, stealing money above a certain limit is charged as a different crime.

So?

Nobody is getting charged for lying, they're being called a liar.

Most of us are capable of some nuance and can differentiate between someone who stole a pack of chewing gum and someone who emptied the till.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

To me personally if both parties do it they do it equally, no one can qualify it, and both is wrong. Lets admit it and not defend either party for less corruption.

According to Republicans and Democrats lol.
Republicans Democrats lie more than we do.
Democrats Republicans lie more than Democrats.
Based on facts, but the Republicans are entitled to their own opinions, but not to their own facts - lol.

Lol now I am a proud deplorable and a proud snowflake, I wear it with Pride lol.

Same answer to you Ifreann.

But you can quantify how much each party lies. Do you not understand this? You keep saying that no one can qualify it, but we can, we 100% can.

Ifreann, is this based on I am wrong and you guys are right?

[Tombradyonia]

I would a Billionaire like Trump by now.

Just start stealing real estate deposits, defraud other real estate investors, strategically bankrupt some casinos, use a fake charity as your personal piggy bank, stiff contractors and workers on pay and you could be rich too.
After all, that's how Trump did it.

[Ifreann]

But you can quantify how much each party lies. Do you not understand this? You keep saying that no one can qualify it, but we can, we 100% can.

Ifreann, is this based on I am wrong and you guys are right?

I don't know who is wrong or right. I'm telling you that it is possible to check how much each party lies.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

I would a Billionaire like Trump by now.

Just start stealing real estate deposits, defraud other real estate investors, strategically bankrupt some casinos, use a fake charity as your personal piggy bank, stiff contractors and workers on pay and you could be rich too.
After all, that's how Trump did it.

is that the best you can do in this debate lol.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

Ifreann, is this based on I am wrong and you guys are right?

I don't know who is wrong or right. I'm telling you that it is possible to check how much each party lies.

But those views can be biased by the Republicans and the Democrats, but earlier on this debate you stated Republicans lie more than Democrats. At least thank you for saying on this post, I don't know who is wrong or right.

Thank you for not saying I am wrong and you all are right.

[The Andromeda Archipelago]

How would they like it if I said the same thing about them and their leftist sources like MSNBC. How would they like it if I say or suggest to them, what to post, what not to post, how to post it and from what sources to post from. No I am not overreacting.

I certainly wouldn't say that you were attacking my right to post articles or opinions.

You might think my advise is awful, but you can't claim that it's anything other than advise.

[Gormwood]

I would a Billionaire like Trump by now.

Just start stealing real estate deposits, defraud other real estate investors, strategically bankrupt some casinos, use a fake charity as your personal piggy bank, stiff contractors and workers on pay and you could be rich too.
After all, that's how Trump did it.

[Ifreann]

I don't know who is wrong or right. I'm telling you that it is possible to check how much each party lies.

But those views can be biased by the Republicans and the Democrats, but earlier on this debate you stated Republicans lie more than Democrats. At least thank you for saying on this post, I don't know who is wrong or right.

Thank you for not saying I am wrong and you all are right.

I didn't say that Republicans lie more than Democrats. I said it's possible to check how much Republicans lie and how much Democrats lie.

[Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba]

How would they like it if I said the same thing about them and their leftist sources like MSNBC. How would they like it if I say or suggest to them, what to post, what not to post, how to post it and from what sources to post from. No I am not overreacting.

I certainly wouldn't say that you were attacking my right to post articles or opinions.

You might think my advise is awful, but you can't claim that it's anything other than advise.

No one should tell me or suggest to me, what to post, what not to post, how to post it, and from what sources to post it.

I don't tell you or suggest to any nation, what to post, what not to post, how to post it, and from what sources to post it.

Like you did to me and a few other nations have similarly done to me. What a coincidence they are all anti Trumpers on the Trump threads and related threads.

You suggested to me I should not source from Breitbart, no matter how much you try to spin it.

Breitbart has just as much credibility as MSNBC.

I rest my case again, USS Monitor a retired Moderator. For the record I am not using the Moderators as a weapon, USS Monitor is a retired Moderator.