2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

You'll vote for Trump no matter what his platform ends up being or who he's up against. I don't see how your opinion on the matter is worth the electricity it took to broadcast it.

I like Andrew Yang on certain issues, and I give him credit for it.

You'll vote for any Democrat or Anti Trumper no matter what his platform ends up being or who he's up against. I posted my opinion because I wanted too and I have a right too, it was worth by electricity do post it and broadcast it. I like Andrew Yan on certain issues.

This is a free democratic forum from free western style democratic nations from all over the world, but not in Cuba lol. I respect your right and all my fellow nations right to post on this forum on any issues agree or disagree.

Thank You for your quote Evil Dictators Happyland

GMS Alberto.

You may be right in that I won't be voting for Trump, but what candidate I will vote for is a bit up in the air (or at least, it would be if I were old enough to vote come election day). You, on the other hand, are guaranteed to vote for Trump, and therefore you have no reason to select the best Democratic candidate. You actually have a good reason to vote for the worst one, to enhance Trump's chances of victory. I doubt that you're planning that far ahead, but your motivations are still questionable at best, and if we don't know for certain why you prefer one candidate over the others, it becomes difficult to be convinced by your logic.
As far as the free speech thing goes, yeah, free speech is in fact a thing. Both of us have the right to say whatever we want and to voice our opinions on anything (as long as it doesn't conflict with site rules, I suppose). That doesn't mean those opinions are worth reading, nor does it mean that we have to agree with them. Or, to put it another way, if you have the right to say whatever you want, then we have the right to respond however we want, and that includes responses you might not like. You don't need to reiterate it every post. If we haven't gotten the point by now, it means that we don't want to, and no amount of copy-paste will convince us otherwise.

[Major-Tom]

Why?

It just gets old, especially when one says "Corporate America" many times over. It's old and even a few Sanders supporters I know personally say he needs to re-amp his talking points.

It's a paradox, I love the consistency of it, the fact that he knows what pisses him off, and that's what he will talk about. No fluff or bs in the mix.

On the other hand, to broaden his appeal, his narratives, as you said, need to be expanded.

[Major-Tom]

U.S. Rep. Elijah Cummings has died at 68

F

Super unfortunate, he was a competent and honest congressman.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

It just gets old, especially when one says "Corporate America" many times over. It's old and even a few Sanders supporters I know personally say he needs to re-amp his talking points.

It's a paradox, I love the consistency of it, the fact that he knows what pisses him off, and that's what he will talk about. No fluff or bs in the mix.

On the other hand, to broaden his appeal, his narratives, as you said, need to be expanded.

I'm not sure that he can change his talking points all that much. He's been fighting for more or less the exact same things for his entire political career, and there's only so much he can realistically do to break that trend.
I do agree that it would be a good idea, but I don't think it's something he can or will do.

[Telconi]

To me Andrew Yang is the only Democrat candidate worth anything in the bunch.

You'll vote for Trump no matter what his platform ends up being or who he's up against. I don't see how your opinion on the matter is worth the electricity it took to broadcast it.

Pretty sure "Raul Castro is the greatest great to ever great" would be a policy position that would drive him away.

[Miami Shores]

You'll vote for Trump no matter what his platform ends up being or who he's up against. I don't see how your opinion on the matter is worth the electricity it took to broadcast it.

Pretty sure "Raul Castro is the greatest great to ever great" would be a policy position that would drive him away.

Thank you for the help Telconi but that will not help and not drive me away. I have always stated I respect all my fellow nations right to post anything they want on any threads or issues including on my pet issue of Cuba on NS agree or disagree.

Al they have to do is put me on ignore, and they will never see any of my posts, and I will never see any of their posts, and I will not be able to quote them and they will not be able to quote me, problem solved.

But I will not bother to spend my electricity putting them on ignore, because this is a free democratic forum from free western style democratic nations from all over the world, but not from Cuba lol. I respect their right and all my fellow nations right to post on this forum on any issues agree or disagree and quote anyone they wish, that is called democracy not dictatorship.

All they have to do is put me on ignore, and problem solved, he dicho caso cerrado - I said case closed, actually Ana Maria Polo says he dicho caso cerrado - I said case closed.

The lady is a real life character person.

[Chan Island]

It's surprising to see so many still supporting Biden, especially to see Bernie supporters have him as a second preference. Youd think the Ukraine fallout would have hurt him more.



Rip.



I saw this video I my feed that literally had as a thumbnail all of the US being red except for California, title all about predictions for 2020.

I decided not to click.

To Chan Island, Yes I agree with you on Biden and Bernie, and I think most of Bernie supporters would have chosen Warren and most of Warren supporters would have chosen Bernie as their second choice.

Posted by Chan Island:
It's surprising to see so many still supporting Biden, especially to see Bernie supporters have him as a second preference. Youd think the Ukraine fallout would have hurt him more.

Posted by Miami Shores:
Yes I agree with you, perhaps is has to do with the image of electability and perhaps age.

Perhaps it has to do with Sanders age and more socialist reputation even though Bernie and Warren are close personal friends and respect each other very much and share similar economic, political and social views.

So I expected Bernie supporters to have Warren as their second choice and Warren Supporters to have Bernie as their second choice, perhaps it is because of Sanders age, electability image and far leftist socialist policies and image that Joe Biden supporters support Warren, and Warren supporters support Biden as their second choice.

Biden supporters support Bernie third and Warren supporters support Bernie third, poor Bernie.

As you all know for obvious reasons I disagree strongly 100 % with Bernie and Warren, but Bernie does have a sharp mind for his age and did well during the debate after his unfortunate heart attack.

Well for obvious reasons I disagree strongly 100 % with Joe Biden and all the Democratic candidates, but to me Andrew Yang is the only Democrat in the bunch worth anything, but I still cant support him for certain issues and for his pro Cuban regime views, all the Democratic candidates have a pro Cuban regime view, my ultimate litmus test of any politician.

To Chan Island, after all the bad things you said about me on your previous post, I am very surprised you quoted me without any so called little insults, thank you, I hope and trust we can be NS Friends and even RP together despite our political differences on Trump and the Republicans.

I would love to click on it and see it? Ill try to search for it lol.

I suspect that Warren and Biden supporters tend to be people who don't think in terms of policy. Because ideologically you'd expect Warren supporters to have Bernie as their second and Bidens people to have her as their second.

Biden in particular is surprising in how well he's still doing. All of his debates have been shambles, and to me even raising the question of senility. Especially compared to how hard he was in 2012 against Ryan. Add in all of the Ukraine fallout and the fact that Biden is directly implicated in it...

Poor Bernie indeed. The nomination in my opinion should be his, as he is the candidate who polls the best in the swing states (especially the rust belt). It should be a no brainer to support that man if you're a democrat.

Andrew Yang is very good as well, but I should observe that there are differences in the foreign policy of the different democrats. Even though none favour, say an invasion of Cuba, they have very different stances vis-a-vis Venezuela, Iran, Iraq.... Tulsi Gabbard in particular have built a very strong campaign as the anti war candidate.

Ah; don't worry. I only send cheeky insults if I feel both that the other person deserves it and that it might help- most NSG regulars I interact with get one eventually. I hope we can be on good terms too.

[Gormwood]

To Chan Island, Yes I agree with you on Biden and Bernie, and I think most of Bernie supporters would have chosen Warren and most of Warren supporters would have chosen Bernie as their second choice.

Posted by Chan Island:
It's surprising to see so many still supporting Biden, especially to see Bernie supporters have him as a second preference. Youd think the Ukraine fallout would have hurt him more.

Posted by Miami Shores:
Yes I agree with you, perhaps is has to do with the image of electability and perhaps age.

Perhaps it has to do with Sanders age and more socialist reputation even though Bernie and Warren are close personal friends and respect each other very much and share similar economic, political and social views.

So I expected Bernie supporters to have Warren as their second choice and Warren Supporters to have Bernie as their second choice, perhaps it is because of Sanders age, electability image and far leftist socialist policies and image that Joe Biden supporters support Warren, and Warren supporters support Biden as their second choice.

Biden supporters support Bernie third and Warren supporters support Bernie third, poor Bernie.

As you all know for obvious reasons I disagree strongly 100 % with Bernie and Warren, but Bernie does have a sharp mind for his age and did well during the debate after his unfortunate heart attack.

Well for obvious reasons I disagree strongly 100 % with Joe Biden and all the Democratic candidates, but to me Andrew Yang is the only Democrat in the bunch worth anything, but I still cant support him for certain issues and for his pro Cuban regime views, all the Democratic candidates have a pro Cuban regime view, my ultimate litmus test of any politician.

To Chan Island, after all the bad things you said about me on your previous post, I am very surprised you quoted me without any so called little insults, thank you, I hope and trust we can be NS Friends and even RP together despite our political differences on Trump and the Republicans.

I would love to click on it and see it? Ill try to search for it lol.

I suspect that Warren and Biden supporters tend to be people who don't think in terms of policy. Because ideologically you'd expect Warren supporters to have Bernie as their second and Bidens people to have her as their second.

Biden in particular is surprising in how well he's still doing. All of his debates have been shambles, and to me even raising the question of senility. Especially compared to how hard he was in 2012 against Ryan. Add in all of the Ukraine fallout and the fact that Biden is directly implicated in it...

Poor Bernie indeed. The nomination in my opinion should be his, as he is the candidate who polls the best in the swing states (especially the rust belt). It should be a no brainer to support that man if you're a democrat.

Andrew Yang is very good as well, but I should observe that there are differences in the foreign policy of the different democrats. Even though none favour, say an invasion of Cuba, they have very different stances vis-a-vis Venezuela, Iran, Iraq.... Tulsi Gabbard in particular have built a very strong campaign as the anti war candidate.

Ah; don't worry. I only send cheeky insults if I feel both that the other person deserves it and that it might help- most NSG regulars I interact with get one eventually. I hope we can be on good terms too.

Ukraine has done nothing to Biden. The biggest damage was inflicted by Biden himself.

[Miami Shores]

To Chan Island, Yes I agree with you on Biden and Bernie, and I think most of Bernie supporters would have chosen Warren and most of Warren supporters would have chosen Bernie as their second choice.

Posted by Chan Island:
It's surprising to see so many still supporting Biden, especially to see Bernie supporters have him as a second preference. Youd think the Ukraine fallout would have hurt him more.

Posted by Miami Shores:
Yes I agree with you, perhaps is has to do with the image of electability and perhaps age.

Perhaps it has to do with Sanders age and more socialist reputation even though Bernie and Warren are close personal friends and respect each other very much and share similar economic, political and social views.

So I expected Bernie supporters to have Warren as their second choice and Warren Supporters to have Bernie as their second choice, perhaps it is because of Sanders age, electability image and far leftist socialist policies and image that Joe Biden supporters support Warren, and Warren supporters support Biden as their second choice.

Biden supporters support Bernie third and Warren supporters support Bernie third, poor Bernie.

As you all know for obvious reasons I disagree strongly 100 % with Bernie and Warren, but Bernie does have a sharp mind for his age and did well during the debate after his unfortunate heart attack.

Well for obvious reasons I disagree strongly 100 % with Joe Biden and all the Democratic candidates, but to me Andrew Yang is the only Democrat in the bunch worth anything, but I still cant support him for certain issues and for his pro Cuban regime views, all the Democratic candidates have a pro Cuban regime view, my ultimate litmus test of any politician.

To Chan Island, after all the bad things you said about me on your previous post, I am very surprised you quoted me without any so called little insults, thank you, I hope and trust we can be NS Friends and even RP together despite our political differences on Trump and the Republicans.

I would love to click on it and see it? Ill try to search for it lol.

I suspect that Warren and Biden supporters tend to be people who don't think in terms of policy. Because ideologically you'd expect Warren supporters to have Bernie as their second and Bidens people to have her as their second.

Biden in particular is surprising in how well he's still doing. All of his debates have been shambles, and to me even raising the question of senility. Especially compared to how hard he was in 2012 against Ryan. Add in all of the Ukraine fallout and the fact that Biden is directly implicated in it...

Poor Bernie indeed. The nomination in my opinion should be his, as he is the candidate who polls the best in the swing states (especially the rust belt). It should be a no brainer to support that man if you're a democrat.

Andrew Yang is very good as well, but I should observe that there are differences in the foreign policy of the different democrats. Even though none favour, say an invasion of Cuba, they have very different stances vis-a-vis Venezuela, Iran, Iraq.... Tulsi Gabbard in particular have built a very strong campaign as the anti war candidate.

Ah; don't worry. I only send cheeky insults if I feel both that the other person deserves it and that it might help- most NSG regulars I interact with get one eventually. I hope we can be on good terms too.

From this post and quote of yours I consider you an NS Friend, I hope and trust we can RP together at some time, like establish economic, political, cultural and tourist diplomatic relations, You have class, honor and respect.

To all my critics not you Chan Island, I am not such a bad guy Dude Proud Conservative Republican and supporter of President Donald J Trump of America the USA.

All they have to do is put me on ignore as I just posted on a previous post, but I will not bother putting them on ignore, see the post for full details.

Thank you Chan Island.

GMS Alberto.

[San Lumen]

I suspect that Warren and Biden supporters tend to be people who don't think in terms of policy. Because ideologically you'd expect Warren supporters to have Bernie as their second and Bidens people to have her as their second.

Biden in particular is surprising in how well he's still doing. All of his debates have been shambles, and to me even raising the question of senility. Especially compared to how hard he was in 2012 against Ryan. Add in all of the Ukraine fallout and the fact that Biden is directly implicated in it...

Poor Bernie indeed. The nomination in my opinion should be his, as he is the candidate who polls the best in the swing states (especially the rust belt). It should be a no brainer to support that man if you're a democrat.

Andrew Yang is very good as well, but I should observe that there are differences in the foreign policy of the different democrats. Even though none favour, say an invasion of Cuba, they have very different stances vis-a-vis Venezuela, Iran, Iraq.... Tulsi Gabbard in particular have built a very strong campaign as the anti war candidate.

Ah; don't worry. I only send cheeky insults if I feel both that the other person deserves it and that it might help- most NSG regulars I interact with get one eventually. I hope we can be on good terms too.

From this post and quote of yours I consider you an NS Friend, I hope and trust we can RP together at some time, like establish economic, political, cultural and tourist diplomatic relations, You have class, honor and respect.

To all my critics not you Chan Island, I am not such a bad guy Dude Proud Conservative Republican and supporter of President Donald J Trump of America the USA.

All they have to do is put me on ignore as I just posted on a previous post, but I will not bother putting them on ignore.

Thank you Chan Island.

GMS Alberto.

and it seems the only reason you support Trump is over Cuba and ignore every other terrible thing he has done.

[Telconi]

From this post and quote of yours I consider you an NS Friend, I hope and trust we can RP together at some time, like establish economic, political, cultural and tourist diplomatic relations, You have class, honor and respect.

To all my critics not you Chan Island, I am not such a bad guy Dude Proud Conservative Republican and supporter of President Donald J Trump of America the USA.

All they have to do is put me on ignore as I just posted on a previous post, but I will not bother putting them on ignore.

Thank you Chan Island.

GMS Alberto.

and it seems the only reason you support Trump is over Cuba and ignore every other terrible thing he has done.

You too support your preferred candidate over things you like, despite things you don't. This is hardly out of the ordinary.

[Miami Shores]

From this post and quote of yours I consider you an NS Friend, I hope and trust we can RP together at some time, like establish economic, political, cultural and tourist diplomatic relations, You have class, honor and respect.

To all my critics not you Chan Island, I am not such a bad guy Dude Proud Conservative Republican and supporter of President Donald J Trump of America the USA.

All they have to do is put me on ignore as I just posted on a previous post, but I will not bother putting them on ignore.

Thank you Chan Island.

GMS Alberto.

and it seems the only reason you support Trump is over Cuba and ignore every other terrible thing he has done.

No San Lumen I keep posting to all of you, that I am Proud to support Donnie for Making America Great Again based on my Political, economic, and social views. I am not ashamed to support President Donald J Trump of America the USA.

Yes Cuba is my ultimate litmus test on any Politician.

[San Lumen]

and it seems the only reason you support Trump is over Cuba and ignore every other terrible thing he has done.

No San Lumen I keep posting to all of you, that I am Proud to support Donnie for Making America Great Again based on my Political, economic, and social views. I am not ashamed to support President Donald J Trump of America the USA.

Yes Cuba is my ultimate litmus test on any Politician.

and his polices got rejected at the polls in 2018. If the trends we saw in 2018 continue this year in Virginia and into 2020 he's going to have a very difficult time winning reelection.

[Gormwood]

and it seems the only reason you support Trump is over Cuba and ignore every other terrible thing he has done.

You too support your preferred candidate over things you like, despite things you don't. This is hardly out of the ordinary.

Unlike the two of you, doubt Lumen's dislike of Trump is fixated on a single precious pet issue.

[Telconi]

No San Lumen I keep posting to all of you, that I am Proud to support Donnie for Making America Great Again based on my Political, economic, and social views. I am not ashamed to support President Donald J Trump of America the USA.

Yes Cuba is my ultimate litmus test on any Politician.

and his polices got rejected at the polls in 2018. If the trends we saw in 2018 continue this year in Virginia and into 2020 he's going to have a very difficult time winning reelection

Iunno about you, but Mama Telconi taught me to do what was right, even if it ain't popular.

[San Lumen]

You too support your preferred candidate over things you like, despite things you don't. This is hardly out of the ordinary.

Unlike the two of you, doubt Lumen's dislike of Trump is fixated on a single precious pet issue.

This would be a correct assessment. There are many things he has done I dislike

[Miami Shores]

No San Lumen I keep posting to all of you, that I am Proud to support Donnie for Making America Great Again based on my Political, economic, and social views. I am not ashamed to support President Donald J Trump of America the USA.

Yes Cuba is my ultimate litmus test on any Politician.

and his polices got rejected at the polls in 2018. If the trends we saw in 2018 continue this year in Virginia and into 2020 he's going to have a very difficult time winning reelection

I hope it does not happen but if it happens I will accept the election results and live with it, this nation is a multi political party democracy not a dictatorship like Cuba, under those circumstances I will accept the election results.

[Telconi]

You too support your preferred candidate over things you like, despite things you don't. This is hardly out of the ordinary.

Unlike the two of you, doubt Lumen's dislike of Trump is fixated on a single precious pet issue.

Who gives a shit?

[San Lumen]

and his polices got rejected at the polls in 2018. If the trends we saw in 2018 continue this year in Virginia and into 2020 he's going to have a very difficult time winning reelection

I hope it does not happen but if it happens I will accept the election results and live with it, this nation is a multi political party democracy not a dictatorship like Cuba, under those circumstances I will accept the election results.

Well thats good to know. In addition current polling shows Democrats leading the generic ballot for Congress by ten. If that holds into next November its very unlikely he's getting another term

[Gormwood]

Unlike the two of you, doubt Lumen's dislike of Trump is fixated on a single precious pet issue.

Who gives a shit?

Who asked if you gave a shit?

[Telconi]

Who gives a shit?

Who asked if you gave a shit?

I did, amongst asking if anyone else did?

[Gormwood]

Who asked if you gave a shit?

I did, amongst asking if anyone else did?

So you asked yourself. Maybe you would do better talking to yourself elsewhere.

[Telconi]

I did, amongst asking if anyone else did?

So you asked yourself. Maybe you would do better talking to yourself elsewhere.

Hey now. No reason to get so mad. You can hate other people for no reason without justifying it here.

[Miami Shores]

You too support your preferred candidate over things you like, despite things you don't. This is hardly out of the ordinary.

Unlike the two of you, doubt Lumen's dislike of Trump is fixated on a single precious pet issue.

See and read my posts in context, I support President Donald J Trump for many issues not just on my Pet issue of Cuba on NS, but any politician has to pass my ultimate litmus test on Cuba.

I really wish we can be NS Friends and RP together with all of you despite my support for Trump and the Republicans. All you guys have to do is put me on ignore and problem solved, please do so if you wish, but I will not bother to put you guys on ignore, because I respect all my fellow nations right to post anything on any threads and quote any fellow nations. See my other posts on this issue where I ask you all just put me on ignore and problem solved for you guys.

Peace over and out.

GMS Alberto.

[San Lumen]

Unlike the two of you, doubt Lumen's dislike of Trump is fixated on a single precious pet issue.

See and read my posts in context, I support President Donald J Trump for many issues not just on my Pet issue of Cuba on NS, but any politician has to pass my ultimate litmus test on Cuba.

I really wish we can be NS Friends and RP together with all of you despite my support for Trump and the Republicans. All you guys have to do is put me on ignore and problem solved, please do so if you wish, but I will not bother to put you guys on ignore, because I respect all my fellow nations right to post anything on any threads and quote any fellow nations. See my other posts on this issue where I ask you all just put me on ignore and problem solved for you guys.

Peace over and out.

GMS Alberto.

This is a debate forum. Why agree to disagree? I dont see a single reason why Trump deserves another term or any Republican deserves my vote.