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2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

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Who do you think had the best performance at tonight’s debate?

Bernie
65
62%
Buttigieg
12
11%
Warren
11
10%
Biden
5
5%
Steyer
4
4%
Klobuchar
8
8%
 
Total votes : 105

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Postby Blargoblarg » Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:29 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Bernie has a new threat from the left...But not from Warren.

I swear if this guy goes viral like Yang did... :blink:

I'd be very surprised if he did. Third party candidates rarely get much attention from the media, and I assume most people aren't nearly as obsessed with politics as people like us here on NSG. :ugeek:

I do like that this guy shows that compared to him, Bernie isn't actually as "radical" as some people think he is.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:08 am

Gormwood wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:Warren's anti-corruption plan apparently... allows corruption?
https://twitter.com/Liz_Wheeler/status/ ... 1453945857,
https://twitter.com/AnnieLinskey/status ... 5515427842
The heat is starting to come - we'll see if she can handle it.

So a NSG style gotcha question that acts as if she ought to have photographic memories of her complete plan.


Really, I'm terribly inclined to disregard whatever this poster says about Warren, considering the bitterness as she starts to do better than Sanders is palpable.
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Postby Galloism » Sun Sep 29, 2019 6:17 am

-Ebola- wrote:
Kowani wrote:That’s not a gotcha in any sense of the term.


It's actually a bit of a tricky question, even if you ignore the connection with Biden.

On one hand, if you let them serve on the board of a foreign company, it opens the door for nepotism and conflicts of interest.

On the other hand, the kid did not choose who their parents are, and they should be free to have their own career.

Right.

That being said, when you have relationships like that, companies with strong anti-corruption policies put up barriers so the other party (the parent, in the case of the US) cannot control or influence any contract with that company, removing the decision to a disinterested third party.

We could do this by making contracts involving relatives of officials be submitted to an appropriate house and/or senate committee for approval, with full relationship disclosure required.

Failure to disclose can result in the full contracted amount being refunded under penalty of law.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:59 am

South Odreria 2 wrote:Warren's anti-corruption plan apparently... allows corruption?
https://twitter.com/Liz_Wheeler/status/ ... 1453945857,
https://twitter.com/AnnieLinskey/status ... 5515427842
The heat is starting to come - we'll see if she can handle it.

Also, Buttigieg is planning to Delaney harder.


Hmmm? Those two tweets are a rather limp argument.

Why would a child of a politician serving on a foreign board be corruption? Obviously, it should be monitored and no noticable gains would happen in dealings with the US. Kind of like a Elaine Chao’s family who has a business in China. If there is a noticeable improvement it should be of concern. Especially in this case where the husband holds a high position.

Oh wait it isn’t being watched....

Point is you are suggesting it’s guaranteed corruption. It’s not. Or, worse? You are offering the insipid argument of it’s not perfect; it shouldn’t be done.

Something has to be done and the discussions and reviews have to start. Politicians would LOVE to wait until efforts were perfect.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Sep 29, 2019 11:16 am

Booker's 'donate or god will call me home' gambit works.
Democratic Sen. Cory Booker on Sunday announced he has reached the required donor threshold to qualify for the fifth Democratic presidential debate despite his campaign running behind on a self-imposed donation fundraising goal of $1.7 million.
The New Jersey senator's announcement comes after the Democratic National Committee announced last week that candidates must meet higher donor thresholds in order to qualify for the November debates. Candidates must raise money from 165,000 separate donors -- including a minimum of 600 donors each in at least 20 states or territories, up from the current minimum of 130,000 donors.
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Earlier this month, Booker said he would drop out of the race if his campaign could not raise the money to justify it continuing. The campaign is two days away from that self-imposed deadline for fundraising.
According to a memo from the Booker campaign, they have raised $1,550,077.38 -- less than $150,000 from its goal -- as of 9:00 a.m. ET Sunday. Booker said the goal is necessary for him to stay in the race "with the trajectory to win the nomination."
"I'm in this to win it. It's not a vanity play. I'm not sticking around for ego," Booker said Sunday. "I don't think you should be in this primary, at least this is my values, my lens, I'm not going to be in this primary unless I have a viable path to victory. We have that right now. But in the fourth quarter we're going to need help and I'm hoping people will help."
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Sep 29, 2019 11:47 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

Booker is fighting hard. I think he'll drop out after the next debate if he doesn't see a big uptick.

With 12 debaters, I don't think anyone will majorly shift the field so it'll stay the same, leading to many dropouts.

With November's qualifier being even higher, the big attrition is going to be the people who couldn't make this round as they just run out of money, I'd imagine. I think we already lost all the people who could run for other offices and read the writing on the wall.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Sep 29, 2019 11:53 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:With November's qualifier being even higher, the big attrition is going to be the people who couldn't make this round as they just run out of money, I'd imagine. I think we already lost all the people who could run for other offices and read the writing on the wall.

Why not Tim Ryan(Hear me out: He could run for Senator), Bennet, Buttigieg(Indiana Governor or Senator), Steve Bullock, Joe Sestak(Senator, VP, or Secretary of State), Steyer(Senator in 2022 to replace Harris or Dianne Feinstein), Castro(Congress), or Klobuchar(Governor)?

Are any of those offices currently up for election? If not, then there's no immediate pressure to switch gears.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:11 pm

I think Buttigieg would be a good governor for Indiana, but I don't live there and dunno if the office is up for election.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:11 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Are any of those offices currently up for election? If not, then there's no immediate pressure to switch gears.

Montana, Congress in 2020 for Castro....Sestak I think Pennsylvania...Klobuchar, idk. Indiana idk.


Indiana has a gubernatorial election in 2020. Minnesota isn't doing anything, but that also means Klobuchar can just go back to the senate if this gig don't work out.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:20 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
South Odreria 2 wrote:Personal cellular physician?

:lol: Precinct Committee Person.

You have to start somewhere, one day you could be President of America. I wish you luck in a safe Democrat district. I am waiting for the day when the Democrats nominate their Presidential and Vice Presidential candidates to volunteer in my area's Republican campaign headquarters to help out President Trump in the office anyway I can. This will be my third time volunteering. The first time I was a Republican Poll watcher, the second time they gave the job of handing out the signs, badges and flags to people who came by the office to get them. One day I could become the Republican Governor of Florida, a Republican US House Rep or a Republican Senator.

I am not good at going door to door talking to people.
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Postby Aclion » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:29 pm

Galloism wrote:
-Ebola- wrote:
It's actually a bit of a tricky question, even if you ignore the connection with Biden.

On one hand, if you let them serve on the board of a foreign company, it opens the door for nepotism and conflicts of interest.

On the other hand, the kid did not choose who their parents are, and they should be free to have their own career.

Right.

That being said, when you have relationships like that, companies with strong anti-corruption policies put up barriers so the other party (the parent, in the case of the US) cannot control or influence any contract with that company, removing the decision to a disinterested third party.

We could do this by making contracts involving relatives of officials be submitted to an appropriate house and/or senate committee for approval, with full relationship disclosure required.

Failure to disclose can result in the full contracted amount being refunded under penalty of law.

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Postby The of Japan » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:50 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:Montana, Congress in 2020 for Castro....Sestak I think Pennsylvania...Klobuchar, idk. Indiana idk.


Indiana has a gubernatorial election in 2020. Minnesota isn't doing anything, but that also means Klobuchar can just go back to the senate if this gig don't work out.

Why do people in Minnesota love Klobuchar so much btw?
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The of Japan wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Indiana has a gubernatorial election in 2020. Minnesota isn't doing anything, but that also means Klobuchar can just go back to the senate if this gig don't work out.

Why do people in Minnesota love Klobuchar so much btw?


When the GOP keeps running extremists against her...
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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:00 pm

Tombradyonia wrote:
The of Japan wrote:Why do people in Minnesota love Klobuchar so much btw?


When the GOP keeps running extremists against her...

I as a Proud Republican consider all the Democrats running as extremists.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:01 pm

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:
Tombradyonia wrote:
When the GOP keeps running extremists against her...

I as a Proud Republican consider all the Democrats running as extremists.


It's all a matter of perception.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:02 pm

Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:
Tombradyonia wrote:
When the GOP keeps running extremists against her...

I as a Proud Republican consider all the Democrats running as extremists.


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Postby San Lumen » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:02 pm

Tombradyonia wrote:
The of Japan wrote:Why do people in Minnesota love Klobuchar so much btw?


When the GOP keeps running extremists against her...

The state GOP is increasingly out of touch and thinks that appealing to the rural areas of the state exclusively will save them. Most of the growth in the state is in the twin cities metro area its approaching 60 percent of the state population. Duluth is also growing as well in addition to Rochester and other smaller cities like St. Cloud but nowhere near as fast as twin cities. For those who dont know twin cities refers to Minneapolis and St. Paul.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:09 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:I as a Proud Republican consider all the Democrats running as extremists.

Compared to the rest of the world in every healthy Democracy, Republicans are the Extremists.

While I would not blame one party over the other as being more extremists and say both Republicans and Democrats are extremists to their base.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:16 pm

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Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:While I would not blame one party over the other as being more extremists and say both Republicans and Democrats are extremists to their base.

...That sentence is a non-sequitur.
But doesn't change the facts of what I said.
The GOP are extremists, factually, compared to the rest of the world. Shows why Democrats are more effective.

I admit their seems to be something wrong with my semantic in the language, what I am saying is Republicans consider Democrats extremists and Democrats consider Republicans extremists and we cant say one is more extremist than the other, at least I am being fair and balanced.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:18 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:While I would not blame one party over the other as being more extremists and say both Republicans and Democrats are extremists to their base.

...That sentence is a non-sequitur.
But doesn't change the facts of what I said.
The GOP are extremists, factually, compared to the rest of the world. Shows why Democrats are more effective.


Well they don't run for office in the rest of the world, so what those people think is a non-sequiter.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:26 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Greater Miami Shores and La Habana Cuba wrote:I admit their seems to be something wrong with my semantic in the language, what I am saying is Republicans consider Democrats extremists and Democrats consider Republicans extremists and we cant say one is more extremist than the other, at least I am being fair and balanced.

I'm using the world's standards as a basis myself.
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Well they don't run for office in the rest of the world, so what those people think is a non-sequiter.

No, it shows that most Republicans are extremists, in a sense, at least compared to the rest of the world, in the views, far-right compared to most.

So calling Democrats radical-left is factually incorrect.


They're radicals compared to me. That is factually correct. Rather they're radicals compared to any other person, or group of people, is entirely irrelevant.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:30 pm

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Telconi wrote:
They're radicals compared to me. That is factually correct. Rather they're radicals compared to any other person, or group of people, is entirely irrelevant.

But, that shows the GOP talking points of them being communists or radical socialists, or thinking stuff that's economically impossible in any society, is factually wrong, destroying their entire narrative.


Yes, because the factual incorrectness of party propaganda utterly destroys it. Since when?
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Postby Telconi » Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:33 pm

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Yes, because the factual incorrectness of party propaganda utterly destroys it. Since when?

Well I'm more arguing that it should change the mind of NS;ers here like Miami, and he should realize he's being purposely misled by his trusted media like Breitbart.


It's not misleading to express beliefs someone agrees with.
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Telconi wrote:
It's not misleading to express beliefs someone agrees with.

...That's not the point...It was pointing out they are wrong on the facts and their narrative is complete bogus, the same narrative Miami believes.


No, they're not. That Democrats are extremists is subjective. Subjective opinions are not "factually wrong" because others disagree
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Postby Telconi » Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:00 pm

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Telconi wrote:
No, they're not. That Democrats are extremists is subjective. Subjective opinions are not "factually wrong" because others disagree

But their economic arguments are completely debunked. As are calling the Democrats communists.


He didn't say they were communists though, he said they were extremists. And the feasibility of a policy doesn't really effect how extreme it is.
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-Gender Equality
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-Limited Government
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-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
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-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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