2019-2020 US Election Megathread III: Biden VS Biden

[San Lumen]

Because if someone chooses to run for a position they should be allowed too if they meet the requirements. They are only doing this because they dont want to risk someone else getting a few delegates. I would love to see some delegates refuse to vote at the convention or vote for someone else or even some people who speak chastise the president.

They probably wouldn't though. Trump's GOP opposition combined is only around 10% in the polls last I looked, and that won't get any delegates in either the proportional or FPTP states.

I know but it would be wonderful to see.

[Telconi]

Why?

Because if someone chooses to run for a position they should be allowed too if they meet the requirements. They are only doing this because they dont want to risk someone else getting a few delegates. I would love to see some delegates refuse to vote at the convention or vote for someone else or even some people who speak chastise the president.

Well sure, and I would have loved for Joe Biden to haul off and punch Obama. But he didn't. And the RNC speakers and delegates won't

[Gredda]

Too bad Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gibbard,my two favorite speakers,are nowhere on that list.

[Cannot think of a name]

They probably wouldn't though. Trump's GOP opposition combined is only around 10% in the polls last I looked, and that won't get any delegates in either the proportional or FPTP states.

I know but it would be wonderful to see.

That's not the point of primaries. Especially if it's only to entertain the opposition. This is a non-thing to worry about.

[San Lumen]

Too bad Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gibbard,my two favorite speakers,are nowhere on that list.

Bernie Sanders never really had a chance this time. His chance was in 2016

[Ifreann]

No real surprise, the Alaska GOP has canceled their presidential primary for next year: https://www.adn.com/politics/2019/09/21/in-support-of-trump-alaska-republicans-cancel-presidential-primary/

They are no longer being even remotely subtle about their distain for democracy. They have made it quite clear they see it as an annoyance

Primaries are not real elections, parties are under no obligation to hold them at all, this does not impact anyone's democratic rights.

[South Odreria 2]

Too bad Bernie Sanders and Tulsi Gibbard,my two favorite speakers,are nowhere on that list.

Bernie Sanders never really had a chance this time. His chance was in 2016

lmao he's winning in New Hampshire and Nevada.

I think Biden, Warren, Buttigieg, and Yang will be the final 4.
With Biden dropping out after NH leaving a contentious final 3 of Dark Horses with any able to win but probably Warren.

I dont think biden will be dropping out. Do you think Warren can beat Trump? So of my co workers have expressed reservations.

We haven't seen her under attack yet. If she can fend off strong criticism/attacks from Democrats, she can probably beat Trump. If not, she can't.

[Maineiacs]

Bernie Sanders never really had a chance this time. His chance was in 2016

lmao he's winning in New Hampshire and Nevada.

I dont think biden will be dropping out. Do you think Warren can beat Trump? So of my co workers have expressed reservations.

We haven't seen her under attack yet. If she can fend off strong criticism/attacks from Democrats, she can probably beat Trump. If not, she can't.

She couldn't even fend off Trump's infantile "Pocahontas" jokes. Could she really fend off relentless, well-organized attacks?

[Vassenor]

lmao he's winning in New Hampshire and Nevada.

We haven't seen her under attack yet. If she can fend off strong criticism/attacks from Democrats, she can probably beat Trump. If not, she can't.

She couldn't even fend off Trump's infantile "Pocahontas" jokes. Could she really fend off relentless, well-organized attacks?

And what fantasy world are you living in? Because she handled said jokes pretty damn well.

[Washington Resistance Army]

She couldn't even fend off Trump's infantile "Pocahontas" jokes. Could she really fend off relentless, well-organized attacks?

And what fantasy world are you living in? Because she handled said jokes pretty damn well.

Releasing DNA tests that show you're 1/1000th native isn't the best way to handle attacks like that lol

[San Lumen]

And what fantasy world are you living in? Because she handled said jokes pretty damn well.

Releasing DNA tests that show you're 1/1000th native isn't the best way to handle attacks like that lol

Who cares. its such a non issue at this point

[The Andromeda Archipelago]

She couldn't even fend off Trump's infantile "Pocahontas" jokes. Could she really fend off relentless, well-organized attacks?

Was she supposed to engage in the sort of infantile drunk-tweeting that defines Donald Trump?

Or does she calmly get a DNA test in order to prove, one way or another, that she is part Cherokee?


I'm not the biggest fan of Elizabeth Warren, but she did the right thing. She chose not to roll around in the mud with The Donald.

She chose facts over covfefe.

[Maineiacs]

Releasing DNA tests that show you're 1/1000th native isn't the best way to handle attacks like that lol

Who cares. its such a non issue at this point

I hope so, but I don't trust Trump to let go of something that amuses him that much.

[Hakons]

Releasing DNA tests that show you're 1/1000th native isn't the best way to handle attacks like that lol

Who cares. its such a non issue at this point

Lying about native american affiliation is pretty bad considering what native americans actually go through, and lauding a DNA test that shows a laughably small amount of possible native ancestry as a supposed rebuttal to the criticism just made it worse. She lied about her ancestry for years and then demeaned tribal affiliation by presenting it as a genetic thing, rather than an actually being a member of a tribal nation thing. When left/liberal Americans constantly tell us about the privilege or disadvantage created by race and ethnicity, a left-wing politician lying about that for years and then demeaning that identity is very hypocritical. Warren doesn't have anything on Trump's checkered past, but this is definitely an issue.

[Telconi]

Releasing DNA tests that show you're 1/1000th native isn't the best way to handle attacks like that lol

Who cares. its such a non issue at this point

We're talking about a high tension election, nothing is a non issue.

[Ngelmish]

Who cares. its such a non issue at this point

Lying about native american affiliation is pretty bad considering what native americans actually go through, and lauding a DNA test that shows a laughably small amount of possible native ancestry as a supposed rebuttal to the criticism just made it worse. She lied about her ancestry for years and then demeaned tribal affiliation by presenting it as a genetic thing, rather than an actually being a member of a tribal nation thing. When left/liberal Americans constantly tell us about the privilege or disadvantage created by race and ethnicity, a left-wing politician lying about that for years and then demeaning that identity is very hypocritical. Warren doesn't have anything on Trump's checkered past, but this is definitely an issue.

You're stretching to describe that as "lying" and really past the point of stretching by suggesting she maliciously demeaned a tribal nation. She's guilty of little more than uncritically accepting a bit of family folk history (which tons of people do, it just doesn't come up because they don't run for high office) without really looking into it until she was opportunistically called out. It's an error on her part, but not a very serious one.

[Hakons]

Lying about native american affiliation is pretty bad considering what native americans actually go through, and lauding a DNA test that shows a laughably small amount of possible native ancestry as a supposed rebuttal to the criticism just made it worse. She lied about her ancestry for years and then demeaned tribal affiliation by presenting it as a genetic thing, rather than an actually being a member of a tribal nation thing. When left/liberal Americans constantly tell us about the privilege or disadvantage created by race and ethnicity, a left-wing politician lying about that for years and then demeaning that identity is very hypocritical. Warren doesn't have anything on Trump's checkered past, but this is definitely an issue.

You're stretching to describe that as "lying" and really past the point of stretching by suggesting she maliciously demeaned a tribal nation. She's guilty of little more than uncritically accepting a bit of family folk history (which tons of people do, it just doesn't come up because they don't run for high office) without really looking into it until she was opportunistically called out. It's an error on her part, but not a very serious one.

She apologized for it, which is better than pretty much every bad thing Trump has done. I never said she was malicious, but her claim of affiliation did demean what tribal affiliation actually is, and she admitted that herself.

"On Monday, Ms. Warren’s campaign removed from its website the result of the DNA test and replaced it with a lengthy section in which the campaign said that Ms. Warren shouldn’t have at times identified as a Native American. “She is not a person of color or a citizen of a tribe, and she has apologized for furthering confusion around tribal sovereignty, tribal citizenship, and the harm that has resulted, both from identification and her release in 2018 of a DNA test,” the new text reads."

[Maineiacs]

She couldn't even fend off Trump's infantile "Pocahontas" jokes. Could she really fend off relentless, well-organized attacks?

Was she supposed to engage in the sort of infantile drunk-tweeting that defines Donald Trump?

Or does she calmly get a DNA test in order to prove, one way or another, that she is part Cherokee?


I'm not the biggest fan of Elizabeth Warren, but she did the right thing. She chose not to roll around in the mud with The Donald.

She chose facts over covfefe.

Fair enough. I suppose I was just speaking out of my desire for someone to shut that fat, arrogant, jackass up.

[Valrifell]

lmao he's winning in New Hampshire and Nevada.

We haven't seen her under attack yet. If she can fend off strong criticism/attacks from Democrats, she can probably beat Trump. If not, she can't.

She couldn't even fend off Trump's infantile "Pocahontas" jokes. Could she really fend off relentless, well-organized attacks?

There's nothing about the Trump campaign that is well-organized, which is what makes it so hard to defend against. Terribly unpredictable, them.

[Hakons]

She couldn't even fend off Trump's infantile "Pocahontas" jokes. Could she really fend off relentless, well-organized attacks?

There's nothing about the Trump campaign that is well-organized, which is what makes it so hard to defend against. Terribly unpredictable, them.

I don't know, I think Trump's randomness is mostly a liability for himself. There's no way his tweets, offensive sayings, or thoughtless remarks expand his base of support. A "Trumpism" politician that could actually articulate things well would be much better. The Democratic candidates are providing, from my conservative view, a lot of opportunity for a Republican to demonstrate how he or she is clearly the best choice, but I don't see Trump as an effective speaker or debater.

But what do I know about politics. I'm a Republican voter that actually likes voting for establishment Republicans

[Slavakino]

Biden is a pedophile cant change my mind

[Juristonia]

She couldn't even fend off Trump's infantile "Pocahontas" jokes. Could she really fend off relentless, well-organized attacks?

The dumbest thing she could do would be wasting time responding to Trump's playground bullying.

Her strong point so far has been consistently putting out policy plans.
That's what she needs to keep doing.

[Telconi]

The dumbest thing she could do would be wasting time responding to Trump's playground bullying.

Her strong point so far has been consistently putting out policy plans.
That's what she needs to keep doing.

Plus she can go after his corruption and fake populism.

She will destroy Trump in the debates with policy, and populism. Hillary was too weak, Warren, hoo boy, she will crush him.

So would Yang.

The corruption point has been beaten to death by now.

She has little populist appeal, and her policy proposals are fundamentally catered to the already committed Democrats.

[Dresderstan]

The dumbest thing she could do would be wasting time responding to Trump's playground bullying.

Her strong point so far has been consistently putting out policy plans.
That's what she needs to keep doing.

Plus she can go after his corruption and fake populism.

She will destroy Trump in the debates with policy, and populism. Hillary was too weak, Warren, hoo boy, she will crush him.

So would Yang.

Yeah, okay, don't get your hopes up.

"fake populism" lol

Yang is a meme, not even a good one.

[MORBY SHIPPERS]

Who cares. its such a non issue at this point

Lying about native american affiliation is pretty bad considering what native americans actually go through, and lauding a DNA test that shows a laughably small amount of possible native ancestry as a supposed rebuttal to the criticism just made it worse. She lied about her ancestry for years and then demeaned tribal affiliation by presenting it as a genetic thing, rather than an actually being a member of a tribal nation thing. When left/liberal Americans constantly tell us about the privilege or disadvantage created by race and ethnicity, a left-wing politician lying about that for years and then demeaning that identity is very hypocritical. Warren doesn't have anything on Trump's checkered past, but this is definitely an issue.

The real problem isn't her DNA. It's the fact that she has never tried actually living or identifying with their culture, she just says that she's native American and expects people to take her seriously.

I (possibly) have 1/8 native american ancestry (most likely Chibcha, if it's true). But guess what? I still wouldn't consider myself native American. I never grew up as one. I never experienced whatt their life or culture is like, so I feel it would be unfair for the ones who do.