The Omnipotence Paradox

[Dooom35796821595]

What?

They’re constantly changing, but aren’t infinite.

Okay, then what's the exact perimeter of the coastline of the Phillipines?

36,289 kilometers.

[Kowani]

What?

They’re constantly changing, but aren’t infinite.

Okay, then what's the exact perimeter of the coastline of the Phillipines?

CGP Gray?

What about him?

He had a video on this, I think.

[Neanderthaland]

Alright, here we go. A rock that an omnipotent being cannot lift is a contradiction in terms. Asking whether or not an omnipotent being can create such a thing is like asking whether or not an omnipotent being can draw a four-sided triangle. Such a thing contradicts itself. Therefore, the power to create such a thing is also a contradiction, and therefore does not exist. To be omnipotent is to have all power, but "all power" doesn't include power which doesn't exist, just like "all knowledge" doesn't include knowledge which doesn't exist.

Tbf, trump repeatedly summons knowledge that doesn’t exist.

That's the real paradox. Best summarized by Homer Simpson when he asked, "Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that even he couldn't eat it?"

Because, I can do that. How does it make sense that I can do something God can't?

[Cekoviu]

Okay, then what's the exact perimeter of the coastline of the Phillipines?

36,289 kilometers.

That's an approximation, I'm sorry to say. Its coastline is actually a fractal with infinite perimeter assuming each particle is modeled as a point.

[Galloism]

Tbf, trump repeatedly summons knowledge that doesn’t exist.

That's the real paradox. Best summarized by Homer Simpson when he asked, "Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that even he couldn't eat it?"

Because, I can do that. How does it make sense that I can do something God can't?

Because you have limitations, and can fail at stuff.

[Antityranicals]

Tbf, trump repeatedly summons knowledge that doesn’t exist.

That's the real paradox. Best summarized by Homer Simpson when he asked, "Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that even he couldn't eat it?"

Because, I can do that. How does it make sense that I can do something God can't?

The limiting factor there isn't God, but the microwave.

[Antityranicals]

Alright, here we go. A rock that an omnipotent being cannot lift is a contradiction in terms. Asking whether or not an omnipotent being can create such a thing is like asking whether or not an omnipotent being can draw a four-sided triangle. Such a thing contradicts itself. Therefore, the power to create such a thing is also a contradiction, and therefore does not exist. To be omnipotent is to have all power, but "all power" doesn't include power which doesn't exist, just like "all knowledge" doesn't include knowledge which doesn't exist.

Tbf, trump repeatedly summons knowledge that doesn’t exist.

Knowledge must be true. Therefore, lies aren't knowledge.

[Galloism]

Tbf, trump repeatedly summons knowledge that doesn’t exist.

Knowledge must be true. Therefore, lies aren't knowledge.

Alternative Facts!

[Kowani]

Tbf, trump repeatedly summons knowledge that doesn’t exist.

Knowledge must be true. Therefore, lies aren't knowledge.

This isn’t problematic reasoning at all.

[Neanderthaland]

That's the real paradox. Best summarized by Homer Simpson when he asked, "Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that even he couldn't eat it?"

Because, I can do that. How does it make sense that I can do something God can't?

The limiting factor there isn't God, but the microwave.

No, it is God. There's no temperature the microwave could go to that would suffice, so it doesn't matter how good it is.

The question is essentially asking if God (or any omnipotent being) can be non-omnipotent as part of their omnipotence.

[Dooom35796821595]

36,289 kilometers.

That's an approximation, I'm sorry to say. Its coastline is actually a fractal with infinite perimeter assuming each particle is modeled as a point.

But that’s not actually infinite, since it’s somewhere between 35,000-40,000 KM.

[Lost Memories]

Tbf, trump repeatedly summons knowledge that doesn’t exist.

That's the real paradox. Best summarized by Homer Simpson when he asked, "Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that even he couldn't eat it?"

Because, I can do that. How does it make sense that I can do something God can't?

You aren't invulnerable to burning.
An omnipotent being would be invulnerable to burning.

So it is actually doing something you don't.
Having success at getting burned from own cooked food is evidence you aren't omnipotent.
It's like having success at failing.

[Neanderthaland]

That's the real paradox. Best summarized by Homer Simpson when he asked, "Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that even he couldn't eat it?"

Because, I can do that. How does it make sense that I can do something God can't?

You aren't invulnerable to burning.
An omnipotent being would be invulnerable to burning.

So it is actually doing something you don't.
Having success at getting burned from own cooked food is evidence you aren't omnipotent.
It's like having success at failing.

The question is essentially asking if God (or any omnipotent being) can be non-omnipotent as part of their omnipotence.

[Antityranicals]

The limiting factor there isn't God, but the microwave.

No, it is God. There's no temperature the microwave could go to that would suffice, so it doesn't matter how good it is.

The question is essentially asking if God (or any omnipotent being) can be non-omnipotent as part of their omnipotence.

A microwave can only heat food up so much, and God can handle eating a burrito which is the hottest that a microwave can possibly heat it.

[Lost Memories]

The limiting factor there isn't God, but the microwave.

No, it is God. There's no temperature the microwave could go to that would suffice, so it doesn't matter how good it is.

The question is essentially asking if God (or any omnipotent being) can be non-omnipotent as part of their omnipotence.

That actually got an answer in reality: Jesus.

Jesus is what happens when God limits himself.

So yeah, god can limit himself.
God can make a stone he can't lift. But as easily can later make that stone liftable.

[Antityranicals]

The limiting factor there isn't God, but the microwave.

No, it is God. There's no temperature the microwave could go to that would suffice, so it doesn't matter how good it is.

The question is essentially asking if God (or any omnipotent being) can be non-omnipotent as part of their omnipotence.

But that's a contradiction in terms, as I explained.

[Kowani]

No, it is God. There's no temperature the microwave could go to that would suffice, so it doesn't matter how good it is.

The question is essentially asking if God (or any omnipotent being) can be non-omnipotent as part of their omnipotence.

That actually got an answer to that in reality: Jesus.

Jesus is what happens when God limits himself.

Maybe if the trinity wasn’t an aberration of logic.

[Antityranicals]

No, it is God. There's no temperature the microwave could go to that would suffice, so it doesn't matter how good it is.

The question is essentially asking if God (or any omnipotent being) can be non-omnipotent as part of their omnipotence.

That actually got an answer to that in reality: Jesus.

Jesus is what happens when God limits himself.

Jesus is not limited, he simply chooses to do certain things as if he were limited.

[Antityranicals]

That actually got an answer to that in reality: Jesus.

Jesus is what happens when God limits himself.

Maybe if the trinity wasn’t an aberration of logic.

Not of logic, simply of common sense. Many things violate the latter, nothing can violate the former.

[Antityranicals]

Knowledge must be true. Therefore, lies aren't knowledge.

This isn’t problematic reasoning at all.

What's wrong with it?

[Antityranicals]

No, it is God. There's no temperature the microwave could go to that would suffice, so it doesn't matter how good it is.

The question is essentially asking if God (or any omnipotent being) can be non-omnipotent as part of their omnipotence.

That actually got an answer in reality: Jesus.

Jesus is what happens when God limits himself.

So yeah, god can limit himself.
God can make a stone he can't lift. But as easily can later make that stone liftable.

No, he can't make a stone he can't lift, because a stone he can't lift is a contradiction in terms, and not even for one moment can there be something which God cannot do.

[Kowani]

Maybe if the trinity wasn’t an aberration of logic.

Not of logic, simply of common sense. Many things violate the latter, nothing can violate the former.

It’s quite possible to have a concept that violates the laws of logic. Example: A=B,B=C, A=/=C.
See, the concept exists, but it violates the actual laws of logic.

This isn’t problematic reasoning at all.

What's wrong with it?

Erroneous knowledge, and the subjective nature of truth.

[Antityranicals]

Not of logic, simply of common sense. Many things violate the latter, nothing can violate the former.

It’s quite possible to have a concept that violates the laws of logic. Example: A=B,B=C, A=/=C.
See, the concept exists, but it violates the actual laws of logic.

What's wrong with it?

Erroneous knowledge, and the subjective nature of truth.

1. But the trinity doesn't actually violate logic.
2. TRUTH ISN'T SUBJECTIVE!!! Erroneous knowledge is a contradiction in terms, just as the term "false facts" would be a contradiction.

[Cekoviu]

That's an approximation, I'm sorry to say. Its coastline is actually a fractal with infinite perimeter assuming each particle is modeled as a point.

But that’s not actually infinite, since it’s somewhere between 35,000-40,000 KM.

At the level of scale that the approximation models it, but not at an infinite (and completely accurate) scale. If you measure the perimeter of a Koch snowflake at n=4, it will be finite, but the actual perimeter is infinite; the same applies here. Take a look at the math behind it.

[Kowani]

It’s quite possible to have a concept that violates the laws of logic. Example: A=B,B=C, A=/=C.
See, the concept exists, but it violates the actual laws of logic.


Erroneous knowledge, and the subjective nature of truth.

1. But the trinity doesn't actually violate logic.

But it does.

2. TRUTH ISN'T SUBJECTIVE!!! Erroneous knowledge is a contradiction in terms, just as the term "false facts" would be a contradiction.

Thought experiment time. Pick anything you believe to be true.