Attack on Saudi oil field; 5 mil. barrels per day lost

[Nakena]

5 million barrels a day is a lot of oil wasted. Iran has basically made the lives of everyone who owns a car harder.

Maybe the real question is how or why the Saudis can't seem to actually win this conflict despite the sheer amount of arms and manpower in their favor against a bunch of rebels in Yemen.

Because they suck.

Also, riddle me this, how is it possible that a nation that has purchased vast quantities of advanced arms, missile defense systems and other materiel would permit its most critical oil processing facility that apparently is responsible for 50% of production to be attacked by drones, of all things, from countries that are at least several hundred miles away?

Methinks something is afoot.

You can buy arms but you can't buy the man. (unless they're using mercs which sometimes they are)

[Telconi]

Nothing of value was lost. Saudi Arabia is a terrorist state that needs a regime change.

5 million barrels of crude oil objectively have value.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Maybe now we can actually start solving the situation in Yemen now that it's gonna affect us all.

It won't be solved any time soon. The Iranians want to expand their influence into Yemen, and the Saudis sure as shit don't want an Iranian puppet right along their border.

Houthis aren't really an Iranian proxy, that's Saudi propaganda.

[Vetalia]

Something doesn't add up, it would be one thing if this was a random drone attack...I could see that potentially falling through the cracks particularly if it was on a target close to the Saudi-Yemen border but an attack like this that literally cripples the country's ability to export oil, it makes no sense. Those facilities are literally the lifeblood of the kingdom so I would think they are top priority for defense against foreign threats. My thinking is that these drone strikes were perpetrated from inside with support from high-level individuals in the KSA's government for ulterior motives.

9/13 was an inside job?

I think it was, there is no other logical explanation for a security failure of this magnitude after years of experience dealing with drone attacks, let alone one that results in crippling half of the KSA's oil export capacity. I can't even think of a comparable attack on the USA that would have a similar impact. This was literally an incapacitating strike done by drones of all things, ffs.

[Nova Cyberia]

It won't be solved any time soon. The Iranians want to expand their influence into Yemen, and the Saudis sure as shit don't want an Iranian puppet right along their border.

Houthis aren't really an Iranian proxy, that's Saudi propaganda.

No, it's literally a fact that they are.

The conflict, spreading outwards like a poison cloud from the key southern battleground around Aden, pits Saudi Arabia, the leading Sunni Muslim power, plus what remains of Yemen’s government against northern-based Houthi rebels, who are covertly backed by Shia Muslim Iran.

[Nakena]

9/13 was an inside job?

I think it was, there is no other logical explanation for a security failure of this magnitude after years of experience dealing with drone attacks, let alone one that results in crippling half of the KSA's oil export capacity. I can't even think of a comparable attack on the USA that would have a similar impact. This was literally an incapacitating strike done by drones of all things, ffs.

The drones where likely iranian ones and saudis dont know how to AA.

[Novus America]

Insurgencies are a different kind of war.

True, but with that much money and firepower behind them it seems odd that they can't establish a substantial presence in Yemen. It's also very strange that Saudi defenses are so weak that they would allow drones, of all things, to cripple their main source of income.

Saudi society is extremely nepotistic and corrupt, which reduces their effectiveness on such things.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Houthis aren't really an Iranian proxy, that's Saudi propaganda.

No, it's literally a fact that they are.

The conflict, spreading outwards like a poison cloud from the key southern battleground around Aden, pits Saudi Arabia, the leading Sunni Muslim power, plus what remains of Yemen’s government against northern-based Houthi rebels, who are covertly backed by Shia Muslim Iran.

Being backed by someone doesn't make you a proxy. The Houthis aren't Islamists and their goal is to establish a secular republic in Yemen. Iran is supplying them with weapons to limit the influence of Saudi-backed Islamist groups in Yemen.

[Novus America]

9/13 was an inside job?

I think it was, there is no other logical explanation for a security failure of this magnitude after years of experience dealing with drone attacks, let alone one that results in crippling half of the KSA's oil export capacity. I can't even think of a comparable attack on the USA that would have a similar impact. This was literally an incapacitating strike done by drones of all things, ffs.

Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity.

[Novus America]

No, it's literally a fact that they are.

Being backed by someone doesn't make you a proxy. The Houthis aren't Islamists and their goal is to establish a secular republic in Yemen. Iran is supplying them with weapons to limit the influence of Saudi-backed Islamist groups in Yemen.

The same Houthis that are trying to overthrow the secular republican government? Bullshit.

[Vetalia]

I think it was, there is no other logical explanation for a security failure of this magnitude after years of experience dealing with drone attacks, let alone one that results in crippling half of the KSA's oil export capacity. I can't even think of a comparable attack on the USA that would have a similar impact. This was literally an incapacitating strike done by drones of all things, ffs.

The drones where likely iranian ones and saudis dont know how to AA.

One poster a while back linked this article:

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Drone ... nse-601654

How in the hell would Saudi air defense not be able to protect their most critical assets against a drone strike despite buying advanced weapons from the USA, especially with their past ability to protect against drone attacks? And how in the hell was the US not aware of this despite our huge military presence in the region? Something stinks here.

[Nova Cyberia]

No, it's literally a fact that they are.

Being backed by someone doesn't make you a proxy. The Houthis aren't Islamists and their goal is to establish a secular republic in Yemen. Iran is supplying them with weapons to limit the influence of Saudi-backed Islamist groups in Yemen.

They're Shia militants who have beaten and tortured both Jewish and Baha'i people. Fuck them.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Being backed by someone doesn't make you a proxy. The Houthis aren't Islamists and their goal is to establish a secular republic in Yemen. Iran is supplying them with weapons to limit the influence of Saudi-backed Islamist groups in Yemen.

The same Houthis that are trying to overthrow the secular republican government? Bullshit.

The Houthis have said explicitly that their goal is a secular republic and that the reason for their uprising was that Salafist influence was infiltrating the previous government. Moreover, they say that a theocratic government cannot possibly work in Yemen due to its religious diversity.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Being backed by someone doesn't make you a proxy. The Houthis aren't Islamists and their goal is to establish a secular republic in Yemen. Iran is supplying them with weapons to limit the influence of Saudi-backed Islamist groups in Yemen.

They're Shia militants who have beaten and tortured both Jewish and Baha'i people. Fuck them.

And the Saudis are starving Yemeni children to death and bombing schools.

[Liriena]

Can't say I blame the Yemenis, and retaliating against the Saudi's quasi-genocidal warmongering with something that directly impacts on their economic power is pretty clever.

[Nova Cyberia]

They're Shia militants who have beaten and tortured both Jewish and Baha'i people. Fuck them.

And the Saudis are starving Yemeni children to death and bombing schools.

Right, so the best solution is to let the Iran-backed rebels take over Yemen and establish an Iranian-backed Shia state right along the Saudi border.

That's totally not a recipe for disaster that won't lead to even worse bloodshed in the future.

[Greed and Death]

Why does this always happen just after I conveniently buy oil futures at a low price ?

Oh well I guess I made a million dollars.

In other news my vacation to the mideast was uneventful.

[Novus America]

They're Shia militants who have beaten and tortured both Jewish and Baha'i people. Fuck them.

And the Saudis are starving Yemeni children to death and bombing schools.

And? Two wrongs do not make a right. The Saudis being monsters does not mean the Houthis are not monsters. Both can be (and are).

[Nakena]

The drones where likely iranian ones and saudis dont know how to AA.

One poster a while back linked this article:

https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Drone ... nse-601654

How in the hell would Saudi air defense not be able to protect their most critical assets against a drone strike despite buying advanced weapons from the USA, especially with their past ability to protect against drone attacks? And how in the hell was the US not aware of this despite our huge military presence in the region? Something stinks here.

I assume the drones (if they were drones at all and not something else) were coming in at a very low altitude maybe even almost at sea level over the gulf or/and through a vector from which the detection by US radar is the least likelist. This would have been ofc been tested prior such an attack.

I also assume that saudi-air-defence is shit in general and that they may simply not have expected an attack there. Defense systems against drones aren't rocket science either.

[United Muscovite Nations]

And the Saudis are starving Yemeni children to death and bombing schools.

Right, so the best solution is to let the Iran-backed rebels take over Yemen and establish an Iranian-backed Shia state right along the Saudi border.

That's totally not a recipe for disaster that won't lead to even worse bloodshed in the future.

The Houthis haven't established a Shia state in the areas they control and even the US has admitted that Iran has little influence over them.

[Vetalia]

The same Houthis that are trying to overthrow the secular republican government? Bullshit.

The Houthis have said explicitly that their goal is a secular republic and that the reason for their uprising was that Salafist influence was infiltrating the previous government. Moreover, they say that a theocratic government cannot possibly work in Yemen due to its religious diversity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan_of ... i_movement

"God is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews, Victory to Islam". Man, that sounds like the slogan of a rebel group aiming to create a secular republic. I'm sure George Washington would have written a similar thing in his memoirs during the Revolutionary War.

[Novus America]

Can't say I blame the Yemenis, and retaliating against the Saudi's quasi-genocidal warmongering with something that directly impacts on their economic power is pretty clever.

The Houthis do not represent the people of Yemen.
The Saudis are bad but did not just start bombing the Yemen for the lols. The Houthis started this war by attempting to violently overthrow the Yemeni government.

[Vetalia]

Why does this always happen just after I conveniently buy oil futures at a low price ?

Oh well I guess I made a million dollars.

In other news my vacation to the mideast was uneventful.

I knew one of us was behind this.

[United Muscovite Nations]

The Houthis have said explicitly that their goal is a secular republic and that the reason for their uprising was that Salafist influence was infiltrating the previous government. Moreover, they say that a theocratic government cannot possibly work in Yemen due to its religious diversity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan_of ... i_movement

"God is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews, Victory to Islam". Man, that sounds like the slogan of a rebel group aiming to create a secular republic. I'm sure George Washington would have written a similar thing in his memoirs during the Revolutionary War.

It's rhetoric. Even the Houthis' leader has said that it's a metaphor and that he "doesn't wish death on anyone... it is only symbolic of our opposition to foreign interference in our government."

[Novus America]

The same Houthis that are trying to overthrow the secular republican government? Bullshit.

The Houthis have said explicitly that their goal is a secular republic and that the reason for their uprising was that Salafist influence was infiltrating the previous government. Moreover, they say that a theocratic government cannot possibly work in Yemen due to its religious diversity.

And do you actually believe them? Why?
Especially when the scream literally the same slogans as the government of Iran?

And no the reason for their “uprising” (attempted coup) is the are power hungry fanatics who could never win an election. They are not in the right here at all.