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Will the more moderate leftists ever awaken to the insidious, authoritarian group among them?

Yes, in time.
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No, they are too established in their views, and don't care enough.
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Unsure.
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No, because no one's trying to take away guns!
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Yes, and they will come around to agree with the far left in that guns should be banned!
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Postby Fahran » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:34 pm

Kowani wrote:
Fahran wrote:I suspect they don't really have a coherent, over-arching goal. They mostly seem to pop up whenever a contentious right-wing organization or speaker does does or whenever a local government or its agents does something that's not especially progressive. Loosely, I'd argue their goal is to suppress right-wing speech and promote left-wing speech, but that'd be a bit reductionist.
It’s almost like Antifa is a disparate movement with little internal coordination or structure…

Well, yeah, that's because that's what it is, but my assessment seems uncannily accurate even for many of the local chapters and organizations associated with the movement.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:35 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Kowani wrote: It’s almost like Antifa is a disparate movement with little internal coordination or structure…


Doesn't make them any less scum of the earth and less deserving of eradication via legislation/jail time.

Yeah, scum of the earth is a bit of an exaggeration.
Regardless, legislating against a movement is terrible precedent.
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Postby Libertas Omnium Maximus » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:53 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Could we expect anything else from them?


Not really. I mean we are literally talking about a city that has to have poop patrols to clean up human fecal matter literally sitting in the streets.


Not shocked.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:15 pm

Telconi wrote:
Galloism wrote:Umm, Hong Kong protestors would like to contest this casual grouping.


I think you'd have a hard time explaining how the PRC is weaker than them.

I don't think the Hong Kong protesters are running around assaulting people either.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:24 pm

Kowani wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Doesn't make them any less scum of the earth and less deserving of eradication via legislation/jail time.

Yeah, scum of the earth is a bit of an exaggeration.
Regardless, legislating against a movement is terrible precedent.


We don't need legislation.we need Berkeley and Portland police to arrest these cowards for things that are already illegal and charge them with felony rioting.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:38 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:
Couldn’t have said it better myself

So are they savages or sissies? Pick one.

Things, people, and groups can act and even be tough when little works to effectively challenge them, but fall apart like overcooked pasta when confronted by formidable opposition.
This is one of those cases.

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Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
It doesn't take a doctorate to recognize that people who hide behind masks and only attack weaker (or occasionally evenly matched) parties are cowards.

Umm, Hong Kong protestors would like to contest this casual grouping.

The Communist Chinese government is unambiguously a stronger party. Hong Kong police might be weaker just due to their smaller numbers, but they're only part of the picture.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:54 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So are they savages or sissies? Pick one.

Things, people, and groups can act and even be tough when little works to effectively challenge them, but fall apart like overcooked pasta when confronted by formidable opposition.
This is one of those cases.

Galloism wrote:Umm, Hong Kong protestors would like to contest this casual grouping.

The Communist Chinese government is unambiguously a stronger party. Hong Kong police might be weaker just due to their smaller numbers, but they're only part of the picture.


Savages or sissies? I would say punk ass marks. Antifa is only brave when they gang up and attack a defenseless person.
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Postby The Grims » Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:42 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Kowani wrote: It’s almost like Antifa is a disparate movement with little internal coordination or structure…


Doesn't make them any less scum of the earth and less deserving of eradication via legislation/jail time.


And you wonder why people believe you to be unfit to own guns ?

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:43 am

Gormwood wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:
Couldn’t have said it better myself

So are they savages or sissies? Pick one.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:43 am

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Man, everyone on the internet has a doctorate in Antifa Studies.


It doesn't take a doctorate to recognize that people who hide behind masks and only attack weaker (or occasionally evenly matched) parties are cowards.

Like the police?

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Postby Telconi » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:02 am

The Grims wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Doesn't make them any less scum of the earth and less deserving of eradication via legislation/jail time.


And you wonder why people believe you to be unfit to own guns ?


Fortunately, rights aren't subject to the whims of random people on the internet.
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Postby The Grims » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:12 am

Telconi wrote:
The Grims wrote:
And you wonder why people believe you to be unfit to own guns ?


Fortunately, rights aren't subject to the whims of random people on the internet.


But should guns be a right or a privilige ?

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:18 am

The Grims wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Doesn't make them any less scum of the earth and less deserving of eradication via legislation/jail time.


And you wonder why people believe you to be unfit to own guns ?


You have some questionable views yourself, so you are not a good arbiter on what is right.

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Postby The Grims » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:20 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
The Grims wrote:
And you wonder why people believe you to be unfit to own guns ?


You have some questionable views yourself, so you are not a good arbiter on what is right.


Like ?
Though I certainly agree I am mentally unfit to own guns privately. The temptation to use them is too great.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:24 am

The Grims wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
You have some questionable views yourself, so you are not a good arbiter on what is right.


Like ?
Though I certainly agree I am mentally unfit to own guns privately. The temptation to use them is too great.

I remember when the WWF was accused of hiring paramilitaries that violated human rights, and a thread was posted on this forum, and you seemed to justify the tactics they were accused of doing.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:27 am

The Grims wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Doesn't make them any less scum of the earth and less deserving of eradication via legislation/jail time.


And you wonder why people believe you to be unfit to own guns ?


Paddy: the violent gang of thugs that beats up people deserves to go to jail

Grim: you're unhinged, you're dangerous with a weapon!
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:29 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
The Grims wrote:
And you wonder why people believe you to be unfit to own guns ?


Paddy: the violent gang of thugs that beats up people deserves to go to jail

Grim: you're unhinged, you're dangerous with a weapon!

Unnecessarily using "eradication" to deal when jail will do? Not suspicious at all.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:29 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
The Grims wrote:
And you wonder why people believe you to be unfit to own guns ?


Paddy: the violent gang of thugs that beats up people deserves to go to jail

Grim: you're unhinged, you're dangerous with a weapon!

Well, Grim is a leftist statist after all.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:29 am

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:
Galloism wrote:Umm, Hong Kong protestors would like to contest this casual grouping.


*shrug*

I don't think the protestors in Hong Kong check both of my points.

The HK police are weaker than them, or at most, even Steven.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:31 am

Gormwood wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Paddy: the violent gang of thugs that beats up people deserves to go to jail

Grim: you're unhinged, you're dangerous with a weapon!

Unnecessarily using "eradication" to deal when jail will do? Not suspicious at all.

It says eradication by jail and our legal system. :roll:

Did you read, or just shitpost?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:34 am

Gormwood wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Paddy: the violent gang of thugs that beats up people deserves to go to jail

Grim: you're unhinged, you're dangerous with a weapon!

Unnecessarily using "eradication" to deal when jail will do? Not suspicious at all.


You know you can eradicate a group without killing them or unjustly detaining random people, right? The only place antifa belongs is the county jail, unless your city is okay with entire streets of broken windows, people fighting in the middle of downtown, dumpster fires and bike locks being used for purposes they werent designed for
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:34 am

Rojava Free State wrote: bike locks being used for purposes they werent designed for

I had a sensible chuckle.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:36 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Unnecessarily using "eradication" to deal when jail will do? Not suspicious at all.


You know you can eradicate a group without killing them or unjustly detaining random people, right? The only place antifa belongs is the county jail, unless your city is okay with entire streets of broken windows, people fighting in the middle of downtown, dumpster fires and bike locks being used for purposes they werent designed for

People are arguing whether they are cowards or savages, but really, they're just a bunch of edgy little shits breaking things for some vague, shitty non-reason.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:37 am

Also, again, i'd like to point out that socialism is incompatible with gun control. You're practically giving the capitalists the "A-OK" on declaring open season on your comrades.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:41 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
You know you can eradicate a group without killing them or unjustly detaining random people, right? The only place antifa belongs is the county jail, unless your city is okay with entire streets of broken windows, people fighting in the middle of downtown, dumpster fires and bike locks being used for purposes they werent designed for

People are arguing whether they are cowards or savages, but really, they're just a bunch of edgy little shits breaking things for some vague, shitty non-reason.


Antifa are like a bunch of drunk college students after a football game but they're that way all the time and they're a little more aggressive toward people. Overall, antifa doesn't require the feds to intervene as I'm sure local police can handle the out of control results of bad parenting. The reason they haven't totally been handled yet is cause certain police departments (we're looking at you jesse and ted. We're looking at you) haven't actually done something. I guarantee that their movement would suffer a catastrophic loss if the Berkeley and Portland PD actually arrested a bunch of them. you notice that's their two favorite cities to rally in, and it makes sense considering they're the least likely to be arrested there
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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