SF declares NRA a terrorist organization

[Fahran]

There's a shocking amount of people who believe me to be a white supremacist on the internet.
I'm an Asian immigrant.

Why do people believe you're a white supremacist?

[Fahran]

Unless you include a photo with a profile nobody is going to automatically know you're Asian.

I assume all y'all are blobs without any discernible color. Even after seeing pictures.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

Keep in mind that Antifa's standards for who is a "Nazi" are basically just anyone who disagrees with them. I'd wager most Antifa members wouldn't be able to identify a Neo-Nazi correctly if there actually was one.

There's a shocking amount of people who believe me to be a white supremacist on the internet.
I'm an Asian immigrant.

One can still believe in racialism even if he is from Asia, but you obviously didn't post any "HBD"-related nonsense thus far so I don't think you are a racial supremacist. Why do some people think you are one anyway?

[Nogodia]

There's a shocking amount of people who believe me to be a white supremacist on the internet.
I'm an Asian immigrant.

Unless you include a photo with a profile nobody is going to automatically know you're Asian.

What I want to complain about is that there is that I explicitly oppose white supremacist groups and the alt-right, yet this shit still happens.
I catch flak when I start railing on people that guns aren't inherently bad, stop trying to offended on my behalf, and not every conservative is an idiot/doesn't know what needs to be done for the country. Somehow (though not without warning), this turns me into either a fascist or a white sup.

[Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia]

Unless you include a photo with a profile nobody is going to automatically know you're Asian.

What I want to complain amount there is that I explicitly oppose white supremacist groups and the alt-right.
What gets me flak is when I start railing on people that guns aren't inherently bad, stop trying to offended on my behalf, and not every conservative is an idiot/doesn't know what needs to be done for the country. Somehow (though not without warning), this turns me into either a fascist or a white sup.

I do believe in gun rights too despite being a socialist, and considering I am vocally opposed to racism, the idea of me being a "white supremacist" is totally ridiculous. Not even mentioning the fact that gun control was originally spearheaded by none other than Ronald Reagan to disarm the Black Panthers during his tenure as the Governor of California. If anything, Reagan was more of a "white supremacist" than you ever could have been in this regard.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

Then why aren't they attacking Democratic and Republican party offices en masse and engaging in mass violence and systematic (AKA premeditated) terror the likes of bombing and armed insurrection? After all, the Democratic Party is a centrist organization, and considering that Antifa is staunchly leftwing, one would think they would start attacking the "nazi" Democratic Party accordingly if the strawman about them expanding the definition of "nazi" to "literally everyone other than us" was correct.

Because, if they attacked someone who was prominent enough to warrant proper state intervention, they would last all of about ten minutes before getting beaten down and arrested or killed by law enforcement. They mostly seem to clash with far-right groups but they'll harass old people who they suspect voted for Trump as well. It's almost like getting a bunch of people who like violence and think their cause is just enough to warrant it together and putting them on the streets with a bunch of other people milling about is a bad idea that will inevitably lead to people getting hurt.

They are waaaaaay to cowardly for that. They only pick fights with people who will not put up too much opposition.

[Gormwood]

Because, if they attacked someone who was prominent enough to warrant proper state intervention, they would last all of about ten minutes before getting beaten down and arrested or killed by law enforcement. They mostly seem to clash with far-right groups but they'll harass old people who they suspect voted for Trump as well. It's almost like getting a bunch of people who like violence and think their cause is just enough to warrant it together and putting them on the streets with a bunch of other people milling about is a bad idea that will inevitably lead to people getting hurt.

They are waaaaaay to cowardly for that. They only pick fights with people who will not put up too much opposition.

Man, everyone on the internet has a doctorate in Antifa Studies.

[Proctopeo]

They are waaaaaay to cowardly for that. They only pick fights with people who will not put up too much opposition.

Man, everyone on the internet has a doctorate in Antifa Studies.

Evidently, so do you.

[Aureumterra]

They are waaaaaay to cowardly for that. They only pick fights with people who will not put up too much opposition.

Man, everyone on the internet has a doctorate in Antifa Studies.

I mean your sig’s first spoiler described them pretty well

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

They are waaaaaay to cowardly for that. They only pick fights with people who will not put up too much opposition.

Man, everyone on the internet has a doctorate in Antifa Studies.

It doesn't take a doctorate to recognize that people who hide behind masks and only attack weaker (or occasionally evenly matched) parties are cowards.

[Aureumterra]

Man, everyone on the internet has a doctorate in Antifa Studies.

It doesn't take a doctorate to recognize that people who hide behind masks and only attack weaker (or occasionally evenly matched) parties are cowards.

Bloodthirsty savages who call for violence against the Right while simultaneously being unarmed defenseless sissies who will get slaughtered by the gun-toting Right in a civil war.

Couldn’t have said it better myself

[Fahran]

They are waaaaaay to cowardly for that. They only pick fights with people who will not put up too much opposition.

It's smart as well. You can hide behind a veneer of legitimacy as long as you frame your violent behavior as aimed at the extreme right. You might even get decent publicity as long as you stick to hitting people with MAGA hats who happen to be present at a hectic street battle due to plausible deniability. When you actively begin planning terror attacks on establishment politicians and hitting people who are absolutely minding their own business, so much so that it seems wholly unprovoked regardless of your argument, you lose the veneer of legitimacy and get stepped on by the jack-boot of government.

At the root of this is that nobody actually believes Trump is a Fascist, Neo-Nazi, or even a Klansman. If they did, it would become a moral imperative to topple his government through violent insurrection.

That said, we're drifting off from one alleged terror group to another alleged terror group.

[Gormwood]

It doesn't take a doctorate to recognize that people who hide behind masks and only attack weaker (or occasionally evenly matched) parties are cowards.

Bloodthirsty savages who call for violence against the Right while simultaneously being unarmed defenseless sissies who will get slaughtered by the gun-toting Right in a civil war.

Couldn’t have said it better myself

So are they savages or sissies? Pick one.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

They are waaaaaay to cowardly for that. They only pick fights with people who will not put up too much opposition.

It's smart as well. You can hide behind a veneer of legitimacy as long as you frame your violent behavior as aimed at the extreme right. You might even get decent publicity as long as you stick to hitting people with MAGA hats who happen to be present at a hectic street battle due to plausible deniability. When you actively begin planning terror attacks on establishment politicians and hitting people who are absolutely minding their own business, so much so that it seems wholly unprovoked regardless of your argument, you lose the veneer of legitimacy and get stepped on by the jack-boot of government.

At the root of this is that nobody actually believes Trump is a Fascist, Neo-Nazi, or even a Klansman. If they did, it would become a moral imperative to topple his government through violent insurrection.

That said, we're drifting off from one alleged terror group to another alleged terror group.

Yup. That about sums it up.

I would also add that sometimes I am not even sure what antifa's goal is. They have attacked the homes of journalists and news reporters before. Isn't free press supposed to be the antidote to fascism? They seem to think that conservatism is fascism. To be clear, fascism is fascism. There are undoubtedly conservative fascists. There are also liberal fascists. Honestly, though, I doubt your average antifa member knows this. I think they are just people who feel like being violent.

[Bear Stearns]

Couldn’t have said it better myself

So are they savages or sissies? Pick one.

Savages are often cowardly, so both.

[Galloism]

Man, everyone on the internet has a doctorate in Antifa Studies.

It doesn't take a doctorate to recognize that people who hide behind masks and only attack weaker (or occasionally evenly matched) parties are cowards.

Umm, Hong Kong protestors would like to contest this casual grouping.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

It doesn't take a doctorate to recognize that people who hide behind masks and only attack weaker (or occasionally evenly matched) parties are cowards.

Umm, Hong Kong protestors would like to contest this casual grouping.

*shrug*

I don't think the protestors in Hong Kong check both of my points.

[Fahran]

I would also add that sometimes I am not even sure what antifa's goal is.

I suspect they don't really have a coherent, over-arching goal. They mostly seem to pop up whenever a contentious right-wing organization or speaker does does or whenever a local government or its agents does something that's not especially progressive. Loosely, I'd argue their goal is to suppress right-wing speech and promote left-wing speech, but that'd be a bit reductionist.

They have attacked the homes of journalists and news reporters before. Isn't free press supposed to be the antidote to fascism?

No. They want to actively suppress certain types of speech, often through intimidation or violence.

They seem to think that conservatism is fascism. To be clear, fascism is fascism. There are undoubtedly conservative fascists. There are also liberal fascists.

Neither conservatism nor liberalism is or can be fascist. But, yes, a good many people have no idea what fascism is.

Honestly, though, I doubt your average antifa member knows this. I think they are just people who feel like being violent.

You get a few different sorts in these types of groups. You get ideologues and you get people who just want to punch something. But, to bring it back to our thread's subject, the NRA is an altogether different sort of group. The NRA doesn't actively support violence.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

Neither conservatism nor liberalism is or can be fascist. But, yes, a good many people have no idea what fascism is.

I just meant that you can have Republicans who support fascism and Dems who do as well. You are correct, fundamentally Republican and Democratic ideology prohibits fascism.

You get a few different sorts in these types of groups. You get ideologues and you get people who just want to punch something. But, to bring it back to our thread's subject, the NRA is an altogether different sort of group. The NRA doesn't actively support violence.

In fact, I have yet to hear them advocate for any sort of violence ever. They just support the second amendment and want to promote gun ownership. They are literally guaranteed the right to do that by the Constitution. If that makes them terrorists than I frankly don't know who wouldn't be considered a terrorist.

[Fahran]

In fact, I have yet to hear them advocate for any sort of violence ever. They just support the second amendment and want to promote gun ownership. They are literally guaranteed the right to do that by the Constitution. If that makes them terrorists than I frankly don't know who wouldn't be considered a terrorist.

This is mostly San Francisco's law-makers being petty and childish.

[Telconi]

It doesn't take a doctorate to recognize that people who hide behind masks and only attack weaker (or occasionally evenly matched) parties are cowards.

Umm, Hong Kong protestors would like to contest this casual grouping.

I think you'd have a hard time explaining how the PRC is weaker than them.

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

In fact, I have yet to hear them advocate for any sort of violence ever. They just support the second amendment and want to promote gun ownership. They are literally guaranteed the right to do that by the Constitution. If that makes them terrorists than I frankly don't know who wouldn't be considered a terrorist.

This is mostly San Francisco's law-makers being petty and childish.

Could we expect anything else from them?

[Paddy O Fernature]

This is mostly San Francisco's law-makers being petty and childish.

Could we expect anything else from them?

Not really. I mean we are literally talking about a city that has to have poop patrols to clean up human fecal matter literally sitting in the streets.

[Kowani]

I would also add that sometimes I am not even sure what antifa's goal is.

I suspect they don't really have a coherent, over-arching goal. They mostly seem to pop up whenever a contentious right-wing organization or speaker does does or whenever a local government or its agents does something that's not especially progressive. Loosely, I'd argue their goal is to suppress right-wing speech and promote left-wing speech, but that'd be a bit reductionist.

It’s almost like Antifa is a disparate movement with little internal coordination or structure…

[Paddy O Fernature]

I suspect they don't really have a coherent, over-arching goal. They mostly seem to pop up whenever a contentious right-wing organization or speaker does does or whenever a local government or its agents does something that's not especially progressive. Loosely, I'd argue their goal is to suppress right-wing speech and promote left-wing speech, but that'd be a bit reductionist.

It’s almost like Antifa is a disparate movement with little internal coordination or structure…

Doesn't make them any less scum of the earth and less deserving of eradication via legislation/jail time.