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Will the more moderate leftists ever awaken to the insidious, authoritarian group among them?

Yes, in time.
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16%
No, they are too established in their views, and don't care enough.
191
39%
Unsure.
63
13%
No, because no one's trying to take away guns!
89
18%
Yes, and they will come around to agree with the far left in that guns should be banned!
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Total votes : 489

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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:05 pm

Galloism wrote:
Kowani wrote:See, the thing is, they’re not directly comparable. There’s this thing, it’s called peer review. You should try learning about it.

I truly enjoyed that peer reviewed study about rape culture of dogs in a dog park.

What?

Grand Britannia wrote:
Kowani wrote:No. I can like that other people play football. But unless I actually play football, I don’t like playing football.


I love eating shrimp.

I can't eat it, because I developed an allergy to it, so I don't eat it anymore, but it is delicious.

Sure, that’s technically a problem with the standardization of English. But there’s a difference between “I love an activity I used to do” and “I love this activity I don’t do.”

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:No. I can like that other people play football. But unless I actually play football, I don’t like playing football.


Other people who play football don't play football? You're pushing a point that doesn't exist.

No, you just didn’t understand the point.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:09 pm

Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:I truly enjoyed that peer reviewed study about rape culture of dogs in a dog park.

What?

https://reason.com/2018/06/11/dog-park- ... son-study/

Note the update.

Turned out if you make a study on dog on dog rape, examine the genitals of each dog, and use those observations to make statements regarding feminist and queer theory applicable to humans, you can sail right through peer review.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:11 pm

Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:I truly enjoyed that peer reviewed study about rape culture of dogs in a dog park.

What?

Grand Britannia wrote:
I love eating shrimp.

I can't eat it, because I developed an allergy to it, so I don't eat it anymore, but it is delicious.

Sure, that’s technically a problem with the standardization of English. But there’s a difference between “I love an activity I used to do” and “I love this activity I don’t do.”

Telconi wrote:
Other people who play football don't play football? You're pushing a point that doesn't exist.

No, you just didn’t understand the point.


It isn't an actual point, it's you insisting that support for an activity is impossible unless someone engages in that activity. Which is preposterous.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:12 pm

Galloism wrote:
Kowani wrote:What?

https://reason.com/2018/06/11/dog-park- ... son-study/

Note the update.

Turned out if you make a study on dog on dog rape, examine the genitals of each dog, and use those observations to make statements regarding feminist and queer theory applicable to humans, you can sail right through peer review.

Except she got caught. Nobody expects (I hope) a perfect system. Science is, by nature, imperfect. But the general idea is that bad research will be weeded out over time.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
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Postby Galloism » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:15 pm

Kowani wrote:
Galloism wrote:https://reason.com/2018/06/11/dog-park- ... son-study/

Note the update.

Turned out if you make a study on dog on dog rape, examine the genitals of each dog, and use those observations to make statements regarding feminist and queer theory applicable to humans, you can sail right through peer review.

Except she got caught. Nobody expects (I hope) a perfect system. Science is, by nature, imperfect. But the general idea is that bad research will be weeded out over time.

No, actually. She didn’t.

They published their findings and admitted what they’d done, publishing a study on the flaws of peer review in certain fields. Unsurprisingly, that one had trouble getting through peer review.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:19 pm

Telconi wrote:It isn't an actual point, it's you insisting that support for an activity is impossible unless someone engages in that activity. Which is preposterous.

Because the claim wasn’t for support for an activity-the claim was for engaging in that activity.

Galloism wrote:
Kowani wrote:Except she got caught. Nobody expects (I hope) a perfect system. Science is, by nature, imperfect. But the general idea is that bad research will be weeded out over time.

No, actually. She didn’t.

They published their findings and admitted what they’d done, publishing a study on the flaws of peer review in certain fields. Unsurprisingly, that one had trouble getting through peer review.

Ahh. Although, I would believe that the peer review at Stanford University is slightly more rigorous than a journal no one’s ever heard of.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby Galloism » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:24 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:It isn't an actual point, it's you insisting that support for an activity is impossible unless someone engages in that activity. Which is preposterous.

Because the claim wasn’t for support for an activity-the claim was for engaging in that activity.

Galloism wrote:No, actually. She didn’t.

They published their findings and admitted what they’d done, publishing a study on the flaws of peer review in certain fields. Unsurprisingly, that one had trouble getting through peer review.

Ahh. Although, I would believe that the peer review at Stanford University is slightly more rigorous than a journal no one’s ever heard of.


You hope.

Some fields are better than others, but let’s not assume peer review is a panacea.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:28 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:It isn't an actual point, it's you insisting that support for an activity is impossible unless someone engages in that activity. Which is preposterous.

Because the claim wasn’t for support for an activity-the claim was for engaging in that activity.

Galloism wrote:No, actually. She didn’t.

They published their findings and admitted what they’d done, publishing a study on the flaws of peer review in certain fields. Unsurprisingly, that one had trouble getting through peer review.

Ahh. Although, I would believe that the peer review at Stanford University is slightly more rigorous than a journal no one’s ever heard of.


No, the claim was that people "like owning guns" your counter argument was that they didn't own guns, and thus couldn't like it.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:34 pm

Telconi wrote:
No, the claim was that people "like owning guns" your counter argument was that they didn't own guns, and thus couldn't like it.

Yeah. If you don’t own guns, you can’t like owning guns.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:39 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No, the claim was that people "like owning guns" your counter argument was that they didn't own guns, and thus couldn't like it.

Yeah. If you don’t own guns, you can’t like owning guns.


And why not?
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-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby The Grims » Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:40 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No, the claim was that people "like owning guns" your counter argument was that they didn't own guns, and thus couldn't like it.

Yeah. If you don’t own guns, you can’t like owning guns.


You can if you owned them.in the past but were forced to hand them.in.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:13 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yeah. If you don’t own guns, you can’t like owning guns.


And why not?

The rules of language?

The Grims wrote:
Kowani wrote:Yeah. If you don’t own guns, you can’t like owning guns.


You can if you owned them.in the past but were forced to hand them.in.

a)I addressed this earlier
b) I very much doubt 70% of the US population was forced to hand in their guns.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:28 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
And why not?

The rules of language?

The Grims wrote:
You can if you owned them.in the past but were forced to hand them.in.

a)I addressed this earlier
b) I very much doubt 70% of the US population was forced to hand in their guns.


Seems more to me that you're just really opposed to admitting fault.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:31 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:The rules of language?


a)I addressed this earlier
b) I very much doubt 70% of the US population was forced to hand in their guns.


Seems more to me that you're just really opposed to admitting fault.

No, that’s your job.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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Postby The Grims » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:39 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Seems more to me that you're just really opposed to admitting fault.

No, that’s your job.

Perhaps you should both hand in your guns and stick to something safer. Pillows are nice.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:42 pm

The Grims wrote:
Kowani wrote:No, that’s your job.

Perhaps you should both hand in your guns and stick to something safer. Pillows are nice.

I don’t own guns.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:45 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Grims wrote:Perhaps you should both hand in your guns and stick to something safer. Pillows are nice.

I don’t own guns.


Thank Christ.
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:35 am

To anyone who blames "the far-left" for gun control, let me give you this.

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:44 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:To anyone who blames "the far-left" for gun control, let me give you this.

“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”

― Karl Marx

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:46 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:To anyone who blames "the far-left" for gun control, let me give you this.

“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”

― Karl Marx

MaRx DiDn'T kNoW aBoUt AsSuLt RiFlEs

- Someone, probably

Technology changes, rights do not. Freedom of Press still applies to radio, even though free press predates it's invention.
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Postby Diopolis » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:49 am

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
And why not?

The rules of language?

The Grims wrote:
You can if you owned them.in the past but were forced to hand them.in.

a)I addressed this earlier
b) I very much doubt 70% of the US population was forced to hand in their guns.

It’s not out of the question, living in American gun culture, that survey data could underestimate the percentage of gun owners massively.
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Postby Pacomia » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:52 am

I don't much like the NRA, but I don't think it deserves to be called a terrorist organisation. It's not.
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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:59 am

Athonuna wrote:
Dasko wrote:Canadians can be just as violent as Americans. It is human nature and economic conditions that determines violence, not nationality. What prevents them from being as violent is gun control.

Now, the war on drugs was an obvious failure, but once you try, say, "cocaine" you're hooked. You will look for any method to satisfy your craving. Guns aren't like that.

No, I think there's definitely a cultural difference between Americans and Canadians. One of the reason America will never institute a Scandinavia-style socialism/capitalism mix. The cultural background of the United States is so different from other countries. Certain policies are going to have very dissimilar results in different cultures.

Never say never. Come back to me in 30 years and tell me whether or not social democracy became a thing in America. Socdem policies, like the ones supported by Bernie Sanders, Warren et al are overwhelmingly popular in America, so much so that Missouri, commonly regarded as a "red state", overwhelmingly voted yes to raising the minimum wage to $12 an hour in spite of McCaskill losing to Josh Hawley, and in Ohio, a anti-union right-to-work law was decisively rejected.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:01 am

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
And why not?

The rules of language?

The Grims wrote:
You can if you owned them.in the past but were forced to hand them.in.

a)I addressed this earlier
b) I very much doubt 70% of the US population was forced to hand in their guns.


You can like something you don't do. For example, if you want to own a gun but can't afford one. You still like owning guns.
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Postby Caliphate of Harlem » Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:12 am

Gun control has become one of those pick your side of the fence type sectarian divides. Because of that I don't see any leeway on either side. To be anti-gun is to be liberal and progressive and the opposite is betrayal. However, leftists aren't a uniform bunch. The more far left types are usually the type to eschew the mainstream liberal line and brush it off as not really leftists, many of these left wingers are fanatically pro-gun but they don't have any love for the NRA. But if you mean the vast majority of people who call themselves liberal, no I don't think they'll react to the authoritarian bunch within them because in large part they tend to agree with authoritarian measures as long as it aligns with their social and moral views. Gun control is one of those debates, like abortion or capital punishment, that will never really be resolved in a healthy way because it's become so politicized by people on both sides of the conservative-liberal schism.

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