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Will the more moderate leftists ever awaken to the insidious, authoritarian group among them?

Yes, in time.
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No, they are too established in their views, and don't care enough.
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Unsure.
63
13%
No, because no one's trying to take away guns!
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Yes, and they will come around to agree with the far left in that guns should be banned!
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:07 pm

Diopolis wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Is there any part of the Constitution that the Democrats don't intend to piss on?

The clause that doesn’t exist which says abortion is a fundamental right, and also they don’t want to quarter troops on us in peacetime yet.

They probably forgot that the 3rd Amendment even exists.
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Postby Mettaton-EX » Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:28 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Shapiro made no mention of kids when said he'd pick up his gun. Quality apologism from you there. Might have a shot at working on FOXNews.


.... Did you literally not listen to the clip? His literal words are 'If they're going to take my kids from me and make that policy on a national level, I have two choices. Leave the Country, or pick up a gun.'


taking kids away from fascists would be good policy, it's a shame nobody's proposing it
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:37 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Shapiro made no mention of kids when said he'd pick up his gun. Quality apologism from you there. Might have a shot at working on FOXNews.


.... Did you literally not listen to the clip? His literal words are 'If they're going to take my kids from me and make that policy on a national level, I have two choices. Leave the Country, or pick up a gun.'


And how does teaching kids that LGBT Relationships are acceptable constitute "[taking] my kids from me"?
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Postby Ors Might » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:10 am

Mettaton-EX wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
.... Did you literally not listen to the clip? His literal words are 'If they're going to take my kids from me and make that policy on a national level, I have two choices. Leave the Country, or pick up a gun.'


taking kids away from fascists would be good policy, it's a shame nobody's proposing it

No, no it wouldn’t. That would be barbaric. You can’t take someone’s kids away in the US because of their political beliefs.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:11 am

Ors Might wrote:
Mettaton-EX wrote:
taking kids away from fascists would be good policy, it's a shame nobody's proposing it

No, no it wouldn’t. That would be barbaric. You can’t take someone’s kids away in the US because of their political beliefs.


But you can totally take them away because of where they came from.
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Postby Ors Might » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:11 am

Vassenor wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
.... Did you literally not listen to the clip? His literal words are 'If they're going to take my kids from me and make that policy on a national level, I have two choices. Leave the Country, or pick up a gun.'


And how does teaching kids that LGBT Relationships are acceptable constitute "[taking] my kids from me"?

I presume Shapiro wasn’t saying that it does, rather, that the State might decide to take them if he refuses to let them be taught that.
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Postby Ors Might » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:12 am

Vassenor wrote:
Ors Might wrote:No, no it wouldn’t. That would be barbaric. You can’t take someone’s kids away in the US because of their political beliefs.


But you can totally take them away because of where they came from.

If you’re referring to illegal immigration, we regularly take away the children of people being tried for some flavor of crime, Vass. Or should we be sending kids to live with their parents in jail, since you’re so concerned about it?
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Postby Mettaton-EX » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:27 am

Ors Might wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
But you can totally take them away because of where they came from.

If you’re referring to illegal immigration, we regularly take away the children of people being tried for some flavor of crime, Vass. Or should we be sending kids to live with their parents in jail, since you’re so concerned about it?

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Postby Ors Might » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:43 am

Mettaton-EX wrote:
Ors Might wrote:If you’re referring to illegal immigration, we regularly take away the children of people being tried for some flavor of crime, Vass. Or should we be sending kids to live with their parents in jail, since you’re so concerned about it?

fascism is a crime against humanity

None of what I mentioned is fascism so go off, I guess.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:47 am

Ors Might wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
But you can totally take them away because of where they came from.

If you’re referring to illegal immigration, we regularly take away the children of people being tried for some flavor of crime, Vass. Or should we be sending kids to live with their parents in jail, since you’re so concerned about it?


We don't normally put kids of people in jail in those sorts of conditions.
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Postby Mettaton-EX » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:59 am

Ors Might wrote:
Mettaton-EX wrote:fascism is a crime against humanity

None of what I mentioned is fascism so go off, I guess.

ben shapiro is a fascist. it's not that complicated.
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Postby Kowani » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:04 am

Mettaton-EX wrote:
Ors Might wrote:None of what I mentioned is fascism so go off, I guess.

ben shapiro is a fascist. it's not that complicated.

Explain.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:21 am

Kowani wrote:
Mettaton-EX wrote:ben shapiro is a fascist. it's not that complicated.

Explain.

I assume they are referencing this: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... el/273349/
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Postby Kowani » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:30 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Kowani wrote:Explain.

I assume they are referencing this: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... el/273349/

…Ah. Whoo.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:16 am

Mettaton-EX wrote:
Ors Might wrote:None of what I mentioned is fascism so go off, I guess.

ben shapiro is a fascist. it's not that complicated.


I would say you're probably closer to that mark than him.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:17 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Mettaton-EX wrote:ben shapiro is a fascist. it's not that complicated.


I would say you're probably closer to that mark than him.


[citation needed]

Because I fail to see how someone who gets upset over calling the Nazis bad isn't a fascist.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:19 am

Vassenor wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
I would say you're probably closer to that mark than him.


[citation needed]

The premise that the funny turning point man is fascist is sufficiently ridiculous that no citation is necessary here.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:31 am

Vassenor wrote:
Ors Might wrote:If you’re referring to illegal immigration, we regularly take away the children of people being tried for some flavor of crime, Vass. Or should we be sending kids to live with their parents in jail, since you’re so concerned about it?


We don't normally put kids of people in jail in those sorts of conditions.


So is the taking the problem or the conditions?
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Postby Mettaton-EX » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:47 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Kowani wrote:Explain.

I assume they are referencing this: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... el/273349/

among other things. he also thinks most jews are traitors, which is always a fun trope.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:08 am

Mettaton-EX wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:I assume they are referencing this: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... el/273349/

among other things. he also thinks most jews are traitors, which is always a fun trope.


Which is related to fascism in some fashion?
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Postby Ors Might » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:34 am

Vassenor wrote:
Ors Might wrote:If you’re referring to illegal immigration, we regularly take away the children of people being tried for some flavor of crime, Vass. Or should we be sending kids to live with their parents in jail, since you’re so concerned about it?


We don't normally put kids of people in jail in those sorts of conditions.

I thought you were complaining about the kids being taken in the first place?

Mettaton-EX wrote:
Ors Might wrote:None of what I mentioned is fascism so go off, I guess.

ben shapiro is a fascist. it's not that complicated.

He isn’t though. But even if he is, so what? What relevance does that have? You can’t take children away because of the parent’s political beliefs and Shapiro isn’t even the topic of the thread.
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Postby Mettaton-EX » Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:56 am

Telconi wrote:
Mettaton-EX wrote:among other things. he also thinks most jews are traitors, which is always a fun trope.


Which is related to fascism in some fashion?

yes?
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Postby Telconi » Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:59 am

Mettaton-EX wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Which is related to fascism in some fashion?

yes?


Was that an answer or a question?
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-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Bear Stearns » Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:17 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Mettaton-EX wrote:ben shapiro is a fascist. it's not that complicated.


I would say you're probably closer to that mark than him.


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Postby Mettaton-EX » Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:49 pm

Meligoland wrote:
Mettaton-EX wrote:fascism is a crime against humanity

you can't even define fascism, let alone decide who is and isn't a fascist.

the core defining factor of fascism is a cult of self-imposed victimhood, of the State and of the powerful and privileged. other defining features include support of capitalism and rejection of communism, rejection of modernism and/or fetishization of tradition, rejection of intellectualism, rejection of feminism, ... ben shapiro is literally dripping with it.
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