SF declares NRA a terrorist organization

[Gormwood]

Saying I only shitpost while giving actual shitposts from your team a pass. Cute.

Shitposting is literally the only thing you do on this site.

Prove me wrong.

And no established standards either. Just "Whatever I don't like." Can't prove a negative.

[Telconi]

Improved quality of life.

So how is quality of life improved by access to guns?
And with actual data, this time, please.

By way of access to guns being a quality of life increase.

Really? You're asking for proof that gun access relates to gun access? This is absurd.

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Oh, you're assuming I'm one of the people who said they're perfectly fine with Antifa activists punching fascists.

Gee, now why would I assume that of the person who's constantly defending Antifa?

Considering that antifa is the subject of ridiculous hyperbole, gross misunderstanding, and outright libel, even a person offering a dispassionate, factual analysis might be perceived as "defending" them to those who have drank the koolaid.

[Telconi]

It strikes me that DGUs used in that study seem...underrepresentative of the actual ones.

It's possible that they eliminate crime negation. The previous study Kowani posted specifically did.

[Kowani]

It strikes me that DGUs used in that study seem...underrepresentative of the actual ones.

That’s because DGUs are actually extremely rare. This is consistent across multiple different pieces of science literature.

So how is quality of life improved by access to guns?
And with actual data, this time, please.

By way of access to guns being a quality of life increase.

Really? You're asking for proof that gun access relates to gun access? This is absurd.

And how is access to guns a quality of life increase?

[Kernen]

No. No it isn't. A cursory reading of both the Federalist Papers and the minutes of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 shows this is empirically wrong.

See also the Privileges and Immunities clause.

Yet again it is being abused its one thing for someone to rob a bank and flee then be caught its another thing to come in a treat everyone like a suspect American citizens do have a right to privacy and this is a gross violation of it. This is also an extreme manifestation of a growing government that no one asked for or voted on but instead individuals in power using their power to their fullest extent to achieve their own goals, in addition to that they are doing it alongside foreign nations, and these foreign nations are demanding Private American entities to submit to their will this is pretty fucked up.

Couple things. 1. The right to privacy? Read into the penumbra of several amendments. I.e.: judicial activism gave you a constitutional privacy right.

2. The Commerce clause was not intended to regulate theft or robbery and crossed borders, though it is now used that way.

3. the rest of this is an incoherent rant, unconnected with any actual study into the Commerce clause's foundation, policies, or case law. It ignores the century of development pushed primarily by the elected legislature that tested the boundaries of the clause.

You. Are. Wrong. You don't know what you're talking about.

[Telconi]

It strikes me that DGUs used in that study seem...underrepresentative of the actual ones.

That’s because DGUs are actually extremely rare. This is consistent across multiple different pieces of science literature.

By way of access to guns being a quality of life increase.

Really? You're asking for proof that gun access relates to gun access? This is absurd.

And how is access to guns a quality of life increase?

Same way anything else is a quality of life increase. It makes life better.

[Kowani]

It strikes me that DGUs used in that study seem...underrepresentative of the actual ones.

It's possible that they eliminate crime negation. The previous study Kowani posted specifically did.

It doesn’t.
Beyond that, I’ve previously posted multiple studies. You’ll have to be more specific.

[Telconi]

It's possible that they eliminate crime negation. The previous study Kowani posted specifically did.

It doesn’t.

Got some sauce for that?

[Kernen]

It strikes me that DGUs used in that study seem...underrepresentative of the actual ones.

That’s because DGUs are actually extremely rare. This is consistent across multiple different pieces of science literature.

IIrc, 300,000 uses at the low end isn't altogether rare. 2m at the high end, which definitely isnt that rare.

[Kowani]

That’s because DGUs are actually extremely rare. This is consistent across multiple different pieces of science literature.


And how is access to guns a quality of life increase?

Same way anything else is a quality of life increase. It makes life better.

How is life made better by access to guns?

[American Constitutional Army]

Yet again it is being abused its one thing for someone to rob a bank and flee then be caught its another thing to come in a treat everyone like a suspect American citizens do have a right to privacy and this is a gross violation of it. This is also an extreme manifestation of a growing government that no one asked for or voted on but instead individuals in power using their power to their fullest extent to achieve their own goals, in addition to that they are doing it alongside foreign nations, and these foreign nations are demanding Private American entities to submit to their will this is pretty fucked up.

Couple things. 1. The right to privacy? Read into the penumbra of several amendments. I.e.: judicial activism gave you a constitutional privacy right.

2. The Commerce clause was not intended to regulate theft or robbery and crossed borders, though it is now used that way.

3. the rest of this is an incoherent rant, unconnected with any actual study into the Commerce clause's foundation, policies, or case law. It ignores the century of development pushed primarily by the elected legislature that tested the boundaries of the clause.

You. Are. Wrong. You don't know what you're talking about.

I cannot be wrong for having an opinion, and the 4th Amendment literally says "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause" This is unreasonable search and seizure there is no warrants being issued and it is on order from multiple foreign state actors this is nothing less than a violation of our sovereignty and could be considered treason.

[Kernen]

Same way anything else is a quality of life increase. It makes life better.

How is life made better by access to guns?

They are fun.

[Kowani]

That’s because DGUs are actually extremely rare. This is consistent across multiple different pieces of science literature.

IIrc, 300,000 uses at the low end isn't altogether rare. 2m at the high end, which definitely isnt that rare.

This would be a good argument if it didn’t rely on Kleck, who has been thoroughly debunked.

[Kernen]

Couple things. 1. The right to privacy? Read into the penumbra of several amendments. I.e.: judicial activism gave you a constitutional privacy right.

2. The Commerce clause was not intended to regulate theft or robbery and crossed borders, though it is now used that way.

3. the rest of this is an incoherent rant, unconnected with any actual study into the Commerce clause's foundation, policies, or case law. It ignores the century of development pushed primarily by the elected legislature that tested the boundaries of the clause.

You. Are. Wrong. You don't know what you're talking about.

I cannot be wrong for having an opinion, and the 4th Amendment literally says "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause" This is unreasonable search and seizure there is warrants being issued and it is on order from multiple foreign state actors this is nothing less than a violation of our sovereignty and could be considered treason.

The 4th amendment applies solely to criminal investigations, not in general. It is not a search nor a seizure under the 4th Amendment. Do you want me to cite cases?

How many states are you barred in to have this kind of deep constitutional understanding?

[Kowani]

It doesn’t.

Got some sauce for that?

“Virtually all available data on self-defense come from the self-report of victims—either from private one-time surveys or from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS). The private surveys have the disad- vantage of being relatively small—the reported self-defense gun uses are too few to provide stable disaggregate estimates about the epidemi- ology of self-defense gun use. Each NCVS is much larger than any private survey. In addition, the NCVS is conducted twice each year and results from numerous years can be aggregated together.”

[Kowani]

How is life made better by access to guns?

They are fun.

Subjective, and not good for policy.

[Telconi]

Same way anything else is a quality of life increase. It makes life better.

How is life made better by access to guns?

They're important to me.

[The Two Jerseys]

Shitposting is literally the only thing you do on this site.

Prove me wrong.

And no established standards either. Just "Whatever I don't like." Can't prove a negative.

You first post in this thread is literally whataboutism:

Antifa Officially Declared a Terrorist Group by New Jersey’s DHS

Cue cricket chirps.

Cute.

[American Constitutional Army]

I cannot be wrong for having an opinion, and the 4th Amendment literally says "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause" This is unreasonable search and seizure there is warrants being issued and it is on order from multiple foreign state actors this is nothing less than a violation of our sovereignty and could be considered treason.

The 4th amendment applies solely to criminal investigations, not in general. It is not a search nor a seizure under the 4th Amendment.

How many states are you barred in to have this kind of deep constitutional understanding?

Is this not a criminal investigation? I'm pretty sure the basis for this is some sort of "counter-terrorism" or "counter-cybercrime" effort does the government have a right to bug my business too and pressure me into doing it because some jackass in Australia wants to know what my customers are saying?

[Telconi]

They are fun.

Subjective, and not good for policy.

It's all subjective.

[Telconi]

Got some sauce for that?

“Virtually all available data on self-defense come from the self-report of victims—either from private one-time surveys or from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS). The private surveys have the disad- vantage of being relatively small—the reported self-defense gun uses are too few to provide stable disaggregate estimates about the epidemi- ology of self-defense gun use. Each NCVS is much larger than any private survey. In addition, the NCVS is conducted twice each year and results from numerous years can be aggregated together.”

And people self report crime negation as DGU during a crime?

[Kowani]

How is life made better by access to guns?

They're important to me.

Why?
And just as importantly, why should we base public policy off of your singular opinion?

“Virtually all available data on self-defense come from the self-report of victims—either from private one-time surveys or from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS). The private surveys have the disad- vantage of being relatively small—the reported self-defense gun uses are too few to provide stable disaggregate estimates about the epidemi- ology of self-defense gun use. Each NCVS is much larger than any private survey. In addition, the NCVS is conducted twice each year and results from numerous years can be aggregated together.”

And people self report crime negation as DGU during a crime?

Yes.

[Fahran]

What even are guns to suburbanites? They're like toys and tokens to say "I'm not emasculate / powerless! ", at least that's the way I view it.

Why do half these arguments amount to a jab about a man's masculinity? Most of the guys I know who own guns are pretty manly by conventional standards anyhow, though, importantly, a man's worth isn't measured by whether he owns a gun or not or whether he likes drinking gross beer. It's measured by his character and virtue. And it's not virtuous to shame others for owning guns, sir.

Why do they also always presume that women and rural folks won't respond to these sorts of criticisms? I do not own a gun because I want to prove how manly I am. On the contrary, I like being feminine because girl power is cool and stuff.

[Gormwood]

And no established standards either. Just "Whatever I don't like." Can't prove a negative.

You first post in this thread is literally whataboutism:

Antifa Officially Declared a Terrorist Group by New Jersey’s DHS

Cue cricket chirps.

Cute.

Pointing out that quite a few of the same people bitching about San Fran declaring NRA a terror group had no problem applauding New Jersey declaring Antifa a terror group.

Focusing on the "consistent" crowd reaction is hardly whataboutism.