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Will the more moderate leftists ever awaken to the insidious, authoritarian group among them?

Yes, in time.
78
16%
No, they are too established in their views, and don't care enough.
191
39%
Unsure.
63
13%
No, because no one's trying to take away guns!
89
18%
Yes, and they will come around to agree with the far left in that guns should be banned!
68
14%
 
Total votes : 489

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:59 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Do you ever get tired of these nothing-posts? They contribute little to nothing at all.

You're only saying that because I'm not on your side of politics. :)


You're not on any side. Except maybe a personal glee at the suffering of others.
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-Religious Freedom
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-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
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-Bigotry In All Forms
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-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
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Gormwood
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:59 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Oh, you're assuming I'm one of the people who said they're perfectly fine with Antifa activists punching fascists.

Gee, now why would I assume that of the person who's constantly defending Antifa?

Refresh me on when I defended. Don't recall.
Bloodthirsty savages who call for violence against the Right while simultaneously being unarmed defenseless sissies who will get slaughtered by the gun-toting Right in a civil war.
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:00 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
And why do you get to decide what constitutes my well being?

Your physical well-being is pretty negatively impacted by being injured.


So?
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Kernen
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Postby Kernen » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:00 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
And why do you get to decide what constitutes my well being?

Your physical well-being is pretty negatively impacted by being injured.


The key is to negatively impact the other guy first.
From the throne of Khan Juk i'Behemoti, Juk Who-Is-The-Strength-of-the-Behemoth, Supreme Khan of the Ogres of Kernen. May the Khan ever drink the blood of his enemies!

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Holy Tedalonia
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:00 pm

Kowani wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Are you pulling that stuff off another page? Been reading through it on my phone, and I have yet to see the evidence you provided on the page. Just a document describing objectives, purpose, abstract, results other then the one you provided, and a conclusion.

There’s a button at the top to access the pdf.

You mean the "get access" button that charges me $35 to read? No thank you.
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Gormwood
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:01 pm

Telconi wrote:
Gormwood wrote:You're only saying that because I'm not on your side of politics. :)


You're not on any side. Except maybe a personal glee at the suffering of others.

A complement from the Grandmaster. I am flattered.
Bloodthirsty savages who call for violence against the Right while simultaneously being unarmed defenseless sissies who will get slaughtered by the gun-toting Right in a civil war.
Breath So Bad, It Actually Drives People Mad

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Ors Might
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:01 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Do you ever get tired of these nothing-posts? They contribute little to nothing at all.

You're only saying that because I'm not on your side of politics. :)

I’m saying this because you never contribute to the discussion. You make snide remarks instead of arguing against the points people make. At most, you’ll make sarcastic criticisms. What do you even get out of that?
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Kernen
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Postby Kernen » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:01 pm

Telconi wrote:
Gormwood wrote:You're only saying that because I'm not on your side of politics. :)


You're not on any side. Except maybe a personal glee at the suffering of others.

Wait, time out. Since when has that been bad? I don't agree with Gauth, but I can sure appreciate the schadenfreude.
From the throne of Khan Juk i'Behemoti, Juk Who-Is-The-Strength-of-the-Behemoth, Supreme Khan of the Ogres of Kernen. May the Khan ever drink the blood of his enemies!

Lawful Evil

Get abortions, do drugs, own guns, but never misstate legal procedure.

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:01 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Telconi wrote:
You're not on any side. Except maybe a personal glee at the suffering of others.

A complement from the Grandmaster. I am flattered.


Imagine thinking that the inability to hurt others is itself hurtful.
-2.25 LEFT
-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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American Constitutional Army
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Postby American Constitutional Army » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:02 pm

I'm not sure how a government can "pressure" a private entity, they can't arrest him, charge him, fine him or kill him. Zuckerberg has a right to say no but knowing him he is a major a cuck and overall idiot. He is selling out his customers and users and not even for profit which is really pathetic. The government needs to learn that it has its place and its not in the affairs of private corporations or entities and leave the free market and freedom loving individuals be.
Paleolibertarian, Pro-States Rights, Articles of Confederation, Pro-2A, borderline ANCAP, Individualist

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:03 pm

Ors Might wrote:
Gormwood wrote:You're only saying that because I'm not on your side of politics. :)

I’m saying this because you never contribute to the discussion. You make snide remarks instead of arguing against the points people make. At most, you’ll make sarcastic criticisms. What do you even get out of that?


Telconi wrote: glee at the suffering of others.
-2.25 LEFT
-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Kowani
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Founded: Apr 01, 2018
Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:04 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:Your physical well-being is pretty negatively impacted by being injured.


So?

That’s what we’ve been measuring this whole time.
Now that we’ve established that guns don’t matter for self defense, I’ve previously gone over their impact on crime levels (an increase), and the deterrence argument (bullshit), one is left with no rationale for an armed populace.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Kernen
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Postby Kernen » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:05 pm

American Constitutional Army wrote:I'm not sure how a government can "pressure" a private entity, they can't arrest him, charge him, fine him or kill him. Zuckerberg has a right to say no but knowing him he is a major a cuck and overall idiot. He is selling out his customers and users and not even for profit which is really pathetic. The government needs to learn that it has its place and its not in the affairs of private corporations or entities and leave the free market and freedom loving individuals be.

The Commerce Clause and the Founding Fathers want a word with you.
From the throne of Khan Juk i'Behemoti, Juk Who-Is-The-Strength-of-the-Behemoth, Supreme Khan of the Ogres of Kernen. May the Khan ever drink the blood of his enemies!

Lawful Evil

Get abortions, do drugs, own guns, but never misstate legal procedure.

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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:06 pm

Kernen wrote:
Kowani wrote:Your physical well-being is pretty negatively impacted by being injured.


The key is to negatively impact the other guy first.

‘Cept that doesn’t happen.

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Kowani wrote:There’s a button at the top to access the pdf.

You mean the "get access" button that charges me $35 to read? No thank you.

There’s a free version available here.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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American Constitutional Army
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Postby American Constitutional Army » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:06 pm

Kernen wrote:
American Constitutional Army wrote:I'm not sure how a government can "pressure" a private entity, they can't arrest him, charge him, fine him or kill him. Zuckerberg has a right to say no but knowing him he is a major a cuck and overall idiot. He is selling out his customers and users and not even for profit which is really pathetic. The government needs to learn that it has its place and its not in the affairs of private corporations or entities and leave the free market and freedom loving individuals be.

The Commerce Clause and the Founding Fathers want a word with you.

It is clearly being abused this is to protect citizens from fraud and theft not for the government to come in a screw you in the ass "for your own good".
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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:07 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
So?

That’s what we’ve been measuring this whole time.
Now that we’ve established that guns don’t matter for self defense, I’ve previously gone over their impact on crime levels (an increase), and the deterrence argument (bullshit), one is left with no rationale for an armed populace.


None that you agree with.
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-3.23 LIBERTARIAN

PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:08 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:That’s what we’ve been measuring this whole time.
Now that we’ve established that guns don’t matter for self defense, I’ve previously gone over their impact on crime levels (an increase), and the deterrence argument (bullshit), one is left with no rationale for an armed populace.


None that you agree with.

So what’s your rationale?
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Kernen
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Postby Kernen » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:08 pm

American Constitutional Army wrote:
Kernen wrote:The Commerce Clause and the Founding Fathers want a word with you.

It is clearly being abused this is to protect citizens from fraud and theft not for the government to come in a screw you in the ass "for your own good".

No. No it isn't. A cursory reading of both the Federalist Papers and the minutes of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 shows this is empirically wrong.

See also the Privileges and Immunities clause.
From the throne of Khan Juk i'Behemoti, Juk Who-Is-The-Strength-of-the-Behemoth, Supreme Khan of the Ogres of Kernen. May the Khan ever drink the blood of his enemies!

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The Two Jerseys
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:08 pm

Gormwood wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Gee, now why would I assume that of the person who's constantly defending Antifa?

Refresh me on when I defended. Don't recall.

You know what? You're right, you don't defend them.

You just stack shitposts about 20 feet high while trying to score a cheapshot.
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Gormwood
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:10 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Refresh me on when I defended. Don't recall.

You know what? You're right, you don't defend them.

You just stack shitposts about 20 feet high while trying to score a cheapshot.

Saying I only shitpost while giving actual shitposts from your team a pass. Cute.
Bloodthirsty savages who call for violence against the Right while simultaneously being unarmed defenseless sissies who will get slaughtered by the gun-toting Right in a civil war.
Breath So Bad, It Actually Drives People Mad

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Telconi
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Postby Telconi » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:11 pm

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
None that you agree with.

So what’s your rationale?


Improved quality of life.
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PRO:
-Weapons Rights
-Gender Equality
-LGBTQ Rights
-Racial Equality
-Religious Freedom
-Freedom of Speech
-Freedom of Association
-Life
-Limited Government
-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
ANTI:
-Racism
-Sexism
-Bigotry In All Forms
-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

"The Constitution is NOT an instrument for the government to restrain the people,it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government-- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." ~ Patrick Henry

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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:12 pm

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:So what’s your rationale?


Improved quality of life.

So how is quality of life improved by access to guns?
And with actual data, this time, please.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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American Constitutional Army
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Founded: Sep 18, 2019
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Postby American Constitutional Army » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:12 pm

Kernen wrote:
American Constitutional Army wrote:It is clearly being abused this is to protect citizens from fraud and theft not for the government to come in a screw you in the ass "for your own good".

No. No it isn't. A cursory reading of both the Federalist Papers and the minutes of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 shows this is empirically wrong.

See also the Privileges and Immunities clause.

Yet again it is being abused its one thing for someone to rob a bank and flee then be caught its another thing to come in a treat everyone like a suspect American citizens do have a right to privacy and this is a gross violation of it. This is also an extreme manifestation of a growing government that no one asked for or voted on but instead individuals in power using their power to their fullest extent to achieve their own goals, in addition to that they are doing it alongside foreign nations, and these foreign nations are demanding Private American entities to submit to their will this is pretty fucked up.
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The Two Jerseys
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:13 pm

Gormwood wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:You know what? You're right, you don't defend them.

You just stack shitposts about 20 feet high while trying to score a cheapshot.

Saying I only shitpost while giving actual shitposts from your team a pass. Cute.

Shitposting is literally the only thing you do on this site.

Prove me wrong.
"The Duke of Texas" is too formal for regular use. Just call me "Your Grace".
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"This thread makes me wish I was a moron so that I wouldn't have to comprehend how stupid the topic is." -The Empire of Pretantia
Head of State: HM King Louis
Head of Government: The Rt. Hon. James O'Dell MP, Prime Minister
Ambassador to the World Assembly: HE Sir John Ross "J.R." Ewing II, Bt.
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Kernen
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Postby Kernen » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:13 pm

It strikes me that DGUs used in that study seem...underrepresentative of the actual ones.
From the throne of Khan Juk i'Behemoti, Juk Who-Is-The-Strength-of-the-Behemoth, Supreme Khan of the Ogres of Kernen. May the Khan ever drink the blood of his enemies!

Lawful Evil

Get abortions, do drugs, own guns, but never misstate legal procedure.

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