SF declares NRA a terrorist organization

[Telconi]

And nobody says you can't.

Your point?

Why should someone be compelled to act based on the beliefs of someone else?

[Kowani]

If my home is being burglarized, I would prefer to stay out of their way.

wow. wow

You got anything to add to the situation?

If my home is being burglarized, I would prefer to stay out of their way.

yes, but not everything goes according to plan in such chaotic situations, now does it? which is why in this scenario you're backed into a corner.

so, again, which do you prefer? a gun or are you gonna Batman it and fight them with your fists?

Which implies I’ve already tried to defend myself at some point. Most burglars don’t go looking for trouble.

That said, the data says I’m less likely to get hurt with my fists. The principle is simple-escalation.

Yes, data can be hard to believe when it contrasts with common sense.
The reasoning is simple though-there’s no guarantee that you’ll be physically attacked during a home invasion, unless you try to defend yourself, and doing so with a weapon increases their aggression, and you are not infallible.

That’s all true. One should try to avoid violence whenever possible. Unnecessary heroism is no bueno. However, that’s not the sort of situation I’m referring to. For context, I have to walk home late every night from work. It’s about a fifteen minute walk and my area has a lot of homeless people along with other individuals walking about. Though I can certainly try, I doubt my ability to run away if the need arises. I am not in the best of shape.

Getting away from my attackers will not always be an option I can utilize and my canister of mace has very limited effectiveness. What do you suggest I do if one or more violent homophobes decide that they want to cause me harm and I’m unable to run away?

How do they know you’re…bisexual, I think?

[The Two Jerseys]

With or because of? What's more relevant?

You're the one who claimed words are literally deadlier than firearms.

So why is is it okay for Antifa to assault people chanting "Jews will not replace us" if words aren't dangerous?

[Kowani]

Your point?

Why should someone be compelled to act based on the beliefs of someone else?

Because we live in a society?

[Gormwood]

You're the one who claimed words are literally deadlier than firearms.

So why is is it okay for Antifa to assault people chanting "Jews will not replace us" if words aren't dangerous?

Oh, you're assuming I'm one of the people who said they're perfectly fine with Antifa activists punching fascists.

[Proctopeo]

Why should someone be compelled to act based on the beliefs of someone else?

Because we live in a society?

GAMERS RISE UP
WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY

[Ors Might]

wow. wow

You got anything to add to the situation?

yes, but not everything goes according to plan in such chaotic situations, now does it? which is why in this scenario you're backed into a corner.

so, again, which do you prefer? a gun or are you gonna Batman it and fight them with your fists?

Which implies I’ve already tried to defend myself at some point. Most burglars don’t go looking for trouble.

That said, the data says I’m less likely to get hurt with my fists. The principle is simple-escalation.

That’s all true. One should try to avoid violence whenever possible. Unnecessary heroism is no bueno. However, that’s not the sort of situation I’m referring to. For context, I have to walk home late every night from work. It’s about a fifteen minute walk and my area has a lot of homeless people along with other individuals walking about. Though I can certainly try, I doubt my ability to run away if the need arises. I am not in the best of shape.

Getting away from my attackers will not always be an option I can utilize and my canister of mace has very limited effectiveness. What do you suggest I do if one or more violent homophobes decide that they want to cause me harm and I’m unable to run away?

How do they know you’re…bisexual, I think?

I’m not exactly butch, lets just say. Besides, I do want to come out of the closet some day and maybe actually meet someone. It’d suck pretty hard if we were to just die if a couple of drunken assholes decided to follow us and see how much they can fuck us over.

[Gormwood]

Because we live in a society?

GAMERS RISE UP
WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY

Better threaten to rape and kill Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian and whoeverelse! /s

[Telconi]

Why should someone be compelled to act based on the beliefs of someone else?

Because we live in a society?

So? I think Broccoli tastes good, apparently because we live in a society I should have the right to compel broccoli consumption.

[Telconi]

You got anything to add to the situation?


Which implies I’ve already tried to defend myself at some point. Most burglars don’t go looking for trouble.

That said, the data says I’m less likely to get hurt with my fists. The principle is simple-escalation.


How do they know you’re…bisexual, I think?

I’m not exactly butch, lets just say. Besides, I do want to come out of the closet some day and maybe actually meet someone. It’d suck pretty hard if we were to just die if a couple of drunken assholes decided to follow us and see how much they can fuck us over.

But surely your quality of life would be improved if you got murdered by homophobes.

Surely... ... ...

[Holy Tedalonia]

Wheres the source? How do I know your not bullshitting?

I posted this earlier. Here.

Are you pulling that stuff off another page? Been reading through it on my phone, and I have yet to see the evidence you provided on the page. Just a document describing objectives, purpose, abstract, results other then the one you provided, and a conclusion.

[Kowani]

Because we live in a society?

GAMERS RISE UP
WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY

I mean, we do.

You got anything to add to the situation?


Which implies I’ve already tried to defend myself at some point. Most burglars don’t go looking for trouble.

That said, the data says I’m less likely to get hurt with my fists. The principle is simple-escalation.


How do they know you’re…bisexual, I think?

I’m not exactly butch, lets just say. Besides, I do want to come out of the closet some day and maybe actually meet someone. It’d suck pretty hard if we were to just die if a couple of drunken assholes decided to follow us and see how much they can fuck us over.

Ahh.
That’s an altogether different situation that I don’t have data for, I’m sorry

[Kernen]

There's nothing wrong with force escalation in self defense so long as you escalate before the other side can do something about it.

[Kowani]

I posted this earlier. Here.

Are you pulling that stuff off another page? Been reading through it on my phone, and I have yet to see the evidence you provided on the page. Just a document describing objectives, purpose, abstract, results other then the one you provided, and a conclusion.

There’s a button at the top to access the pdf.

You got anything to add to the situation?


Which implies I’ve already tried to defend myself at some point. Most burglars don’t go looking for trouble.

not really. your method of escape could have been cut off or you were somewhere in your house that was more difficult to escape from like the bathroom of somewhere else.

Bathroom doors lock.

you don't seem to realize that data is not reflective of every situation. Plenty of burglaries go wrong.

That said, the data says I’m less likely to get hurt with my fists. The principle is simple-escalation.

if you think bringing fists to a knife fight is a good idea then so be it. but no one else should be forced to retreat from their home just to protect the wellbeing of criminals.

It’s not to protect the welfare of criminals-its to protect their own wellbeing.

[Proctopeo]

GAMERS RISE UP
WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY

I mean, we do.

[Gormwood]

There's nothing wrong with force escalation in self defense so long as you escalate before the other side can do something about it.

Kill the other guy before he yells!

[Ors Might]

GAMERS RISE UP
WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY

I mean, we do.

I’m not exactly butch, lets just say. Besides, I do want to come out of the closet some day and maybe actually meet someone. It’d suck pretty hard if we were to just die if a couple of drunken assholes decided to follow us and see how much they can fuck us over.

Ahh.
That’s an altogether different situation that I don’t have data for, I’m sorry

It is a somewhat specific situation, to be fair. If I’m coming across as angry, it’s not anger directed towards you. I’m more frustrated that I have to deal with this at all. As much as I support gun ownership, I would very much prefer to not to need to have a gun for non-recreational purposes.

[Ors Might]

There's nothing wrong with force escalation in self defense so long as you escalate before the other side can do something about it.

Kill the other guy before he yells!

Do you ever get tired of these nothing-posts? They contribute little to nothing at all.

[Kernen]

There's nothing wrong with force escalation in self defense so long as you escalate before the other side can do something about it.

Kill the other guy before he yells!

Well, at least before he gets a weapon. I don't care for yelling, so sure. It spooks my cats, and since there's gonna be a gunshot already, I may as well minimize their distress.

[Telconi]

Are you pulling that stuff off another page? Been reading through it on my phone, and I have yet to see the evidence you provided on the page. Just a document describing objectives, purpose, abstract, results other then the one you provided, and a conclusion.

There’s a button at the top to access the pdf.

not really. your method of escape could have been cut off or you were somewhere in your house that was more difficult to escape from like the bathroom of somewhere else.

Bathroom doors lock.

you don't seem to realize that data is not reflective of every situation. Plenty of burglaries go wrong.

if you think bringing fists to a knife fight is a good idea then so be it. but no one else should be forced to retreat from their home just to protect the wellbeing of criminals.

It’s not to protect the welfare of criminals-its to protect their own wellbeing.

And why do you get to decide what constitutes my well being?

[The Two Jerseys]

So why is is it okay for Antifa to assault people chanting "Jews will not replace us" if words aren't dangerous?

Oh, you're assuming I'm one of the people who said they're perfectly fine with Antifa activists punching fascists.

Gee, now why would I assume that of the person who's constantly defending Antifa?

[Kowani]

Are you pulling that stuff off another page? Been reading through it on my phone, and I have yet to see the evidence you provided on the page. Just a document describing objectives, purpose, abstract, results other then the one you provided, and a conclusion.

also his own source says:

Self-defense with any weapon is associated with a reduced risk of property loss

which just seems like yet another reason to own guns

Not really. Property can be replaced. Additionally, from the actual source, and not just the abstract: “or robbery, burglary and personal contact larceny crimes, when victims took no action they lost property 84.9% of the time (Table 4a). When victims took self-protective action, they lost property 55.9% of the time. When victims used a gun, they lost property 38.5% of the time. When they used a weapon other than a gun they lost property 34.9% of the time. Multivariate analysis (Table 4b) did not substantially alter these results.”

So, if your argument is for maximum effectiveness in decreasing property loss, that’s still no argument for guns.

[Gormwood]

Kill the other guy before he yells!

Do you ever get tired of these nothing-posts? They contribute little to nothing at all.

You're only saying that because I'm not on your side of politics.

[Proctopeo]

GAMERS RISE UP
WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY

Better threaten to rape and kill Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian and whoeverelse! /s

Still salty over some crybullies claiming to be getting harassed? Truly, this is a society.

[Kowani]

There’s a button at the top to access the pdf.

Bathroom doors lock.

It’s not to protect the welfare of criminals-its to protect their own wellbeing.

And why do you get to decide what constitutes my well being?

Your physical well-being is pretty negatively impacted by being injured.