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Will the more moderate leftists ever awaken to the insidious, authoritarian group among them?

Yes, in time.
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No, they are too established in their views, and don't care enough.
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Unsure.
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No, because no one's trying to take away guns!
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Yes, and they will come around to agree with the far left in that guns should be banned!
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:17 am

Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary." - Karl Marx himself.

The "left" doesn't want to seize the guns of Americans, whether communist or non communist, nor do they want to abolish the Second Amendment. Marxist theory specifically warns against such acts.

One of the few things Marx got right.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:18 am

Num Vent wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:They're usually hit hardest because they (on average) have lower income, but no.

Most poor people are black, even if white one have enough privelege to have some comformity

Whites living under shitty conditions are not priviliged.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:19 am

Num Vent wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:They're usually hit hardest because they (on average) have lower income, but no.

Most poor people are black, even if white one have enough privelege to have some comformity


No race makes up a majority of America's poor, but whites are the largest group (due to being a majority of the population), but they are vastly underrepresented. Going by SNAP use, whites are ~60% of the population, but only ~25% of snap users. Blacks are 25% of SNAP users but only 13% of the population. Hispanics are 17% of SNAP users (and Hispanics are about 17% of the population). Other races make up the rest.

It's curious that despite the Hispanic population being larger, blacks still make up more SNAP cases (in absolute numbers).
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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:19 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary." - Karl Marx himself.

The "left" doesn't want to seize the guns of Americans, whether communist or non communist, nor do they want to abolish the Second Amendment. Marxist theory specifically warns against such acts.

One of the few things Marx got right.

Indeed, because it's hard to start a revolution against a oppressive entity when the state suddenly confiscates your weaponry without any objective reason to do so.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:20 am

Grand Britannia wrote:
Num Vent wrote:Most poor people are black, even if white one have enough privelege to have some comformity


Poor white people have privilege

Imagine unironically believing this.

He is racist against whites, and supported Mugabe's racist conduct towards them as well. Privilege is his excuse to hate.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:23 am

Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:One of the few things Marx got right.

Indeed, because it's hard to start a revolution against a oppressive entity when the state suddenly confiscates your weaponry without any objective reason to do so.

Maybe the libertarian-right and libertarian-left should unite on this issue, at least on a temporary basis.

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Postby A m e n r i a » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:25 am

Medwind wrote:San Francisco law makers have recently declared the NRA a terrorist organization, how far do you think the radical left will go to disarm Americans? What should be done about these fascistic policies that the new left is forcing upon us? Walmart is asking people not to follow their state law in states with open, or concealed carry, demanding that consumers stop bringing firearms into their stores, despite their complete failing to stop a mass shooting in one of their stores, and the fact that gun free zones are often targets for mass shooters. Many among the more moderate left continue to claim that the democrats aren't trying to disarm Americans, but when will they see that is exactly what the radical leftists want, and are pushing through, step by step at a time? Will they only see the truth when confiscation begins, or is their something we can do now to open their eyes to reality?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H1ZSnr9aZo

https://thewriterinblack.com/2017/05/17 ... ur-guns-2/


Hold up, how can a shooting happen in a gun free zone?
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:25 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:Indeed, because it's hard to start a revolution against a oppressive entity when the state suddenly confiscates your weaponry without any objective reason to do so.

Maybe the libertarian-right and libertarian-left should unite on this issue, at least on a temporary basis.

Most of the libertarian left doesn't want to start a revolution.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:28 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Maybe the libertarian-right and libertarian-left should unite on this issue, at least on a temporary basis.

Most of the libertarian left doesn't want to start a revolution.

No, I'm taking about those who push for gun rights.

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:31 am

A m e n r i a wrote:
Medwind wrote:San Francisco law makers have recently declared the NRA a terrorist organization, how far do you think the radical left will go to disarm Americans? What should be done about these fascistic policies that the new left is forcing upon us? Walmart is asking people not to follow their state law in states with open, or concealed carry, demanding that consumers stop bringing firearms into their stores, despite their complete failing to stop a mass shooting in one of their stores, and the fact that gun free zones are often targets for mass shooters. Many among the more moderate left continue to claim that the democrats aren't trying to disarm Americans, but when will they see that is exactly what the radical leftists want, and are pushing through, step by step at a time? Will they only see the truth when confiscation begins, or is their something we can do now to open their eyes to reality?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H1ZSnr9aZo

https://thewriterinblack.com/2017/05/17 ... ur-guns-2/


Hold up, how can a shooting happen in a gun free zone?

The signs didn't work, I guess.

Maybe they should have tried creating a gun-free area?
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:36 am

A m e n r i a wrote:
Medwind wrote:San Francisco law makers have recently declared the NRA a terrorist organization, how far do you think the radical left will go to disarm Americans? What should be done about these fascistic policies that the new left is forcing upon us? Walmart is asking people not to follow their state law in states with open, or concealed carry, demanding that consumers stop bringing firearms into their stores, despite their complete failing to stop a mass shooting in one of their stores, and the fact that gun free zones are often targets for mass shooters. Many among the more moderate left continue to claim that the democrats aren't trying to disarm Americans, but when will they see that is exactly what the radical leftists want, and are pushing through, step by step at a time? Will they only see the truth when confiscation begins, or is their something we can do now to open their eyes to reality?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H1ZSnr9aZo

https://thewriterinblack.com/2017/05/17 ... ur-guns-2/


Hold up, how can a shooting happen in a gun free zone?

Gun free zone = Advertisement that everyone is defenseless and and all you can shoot buffet.
After all 98% off all the mass shootings are done in GFZ.
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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:57 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Most of the libertarian left doesn't want to start a revolution.

No, I'm taking about those who push for gun rights.

Such as the Redneck Revolt group?

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Postby Grand Britannia » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:00 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
A m e n r i a wrote:
Hold up, how can a shooting happen in a gun free zone?

Gun free zone = Advertisement that everyone is defenseless and and all you can shoot buffet.
After all 98% off all the mass shootings are done in GFZ.


Bruh what if like.

We make the whole country a gun free zone and like.

Criminals can't legally buy guns and as we've all seen prohibition works.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:02 am

Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia wrote:"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary." - Karl Marx himself.

The "left" doesn't want to seize the guns of Americans, whether communist or non communist, nor do they want to abolish the Second Amendment. Marxist theory specifically warns against such acts.


Judging by the number of various mutually antagonistic forma of leftist thought which exist, I don't think "Karl Marx wrote these words" is in any way definitive of all leftists.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:04 am

Left outrages at less than 1% of gun crime and ignores or simply doesn't care about the other 99%, which is overwhelmingly done with handguns, not "assault weapons".
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:06 am

Grand Britannia wrote:Left outrages at less than 1% of gun crime and ignores or simply doesn't care about the other 99%, which is overwhelmingly done with handguns, not "assault weapons".

It's easy to get outraged at a white kid shooting up a school.

But hundreds of murders committed in Detroit or Chicago every year primarily by blacks? Well, you're racist and white supremacist if you notice that.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:08 am

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:Left outrages at less than 1% of gun crime and ignores or simply doesn't care about the other 99%, which is overwhelmingly done with handguns, not "assault weapons".

It's easy to get outraged at a white kid shooting up a school.

But hundreds of murders committed in Detroit or Chicago every year primarily by blacks? Well, you're racist and white supremacist if you notice that.

Which is why I find it hard to take their claims of being "worried" about gun crime serious when they don't even propose realistic solutions, just knee jerk reactions.
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:18 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Not shocking. I saw some polling the other day that a third of Dem leaning voters support criminalizing membership in the NRA.

The figure I saw was 18%, which is barely over the percentage that thinks violence is justified if they lose(higher in dems than gop voters, but not by much).
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Postby Telconi » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:21 am

Diopolis wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Not shocking. I saw some polling the other day that a third of Dem leaning voters support criminalizing membership in the NRA.

The figure I saw was 18%, which is barely over the percentage that thinks violence is justified if they lose(higher in dems than gop voters, but not by much).


That's still a concerning number of people.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:24 am

Grand Britannia wrote:
Num Vent wrote:Most poor people are black, even if white one have enough privelege to have some comformity


Poor white people have privilege

Imagine unironically believing this.


Most poor Americans are white by the way so he wasn't even correct about his first point. Telling a poor white person they have privilege is like telling a kid with cancer about how their life is better than your shit existence
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:24 am

Telconi wrote:
Diopolis wrote:The figure I saw was 18%, which is barely over the percentage that thinks violence is justified if they lose(higher in dems than gop voters, but not by much).


That's still a concerning number of people.


Yeah I'm not liking that number
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:25 am

Telconi wrote:
Diopolis wrote:The figure I saw was 18%, which is barely over the percentage that thinks violence is justified if they lose(higher in dems than gop voters, but not by much).


That's still a concerning number of people.

Yes, but 20% higher than the number of people who support a violent political solution to non-firearms issues is a totally different ballpark than that.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:26 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:
Poor white people have privilege

Imagine unironically believing this.


Most poor Americans are white by the way so he wasn't even correct about his first point. Telling a poor white person they have privilege is like telling a kid with cancer about how their life is better than your shit existence


Dude, the fucking language barrier is the very opposite of privilege.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:27 am

Redternetia wrote:The "Far Left" doesn't want to take away guns. As a "far-leftist" myself, I advocate for arming all working people. San Francisco isn't a leftwing city of any sort. It's an American capitalist city, just like any other American city like Columbus, NYC, or Carson, except SF has a lot more gentrification going on (you know, what literally pushes poor people out of the city).


Has any communist government ever allowed its people to own guns? If not, what were the punishments for people with illegally bought guns?

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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:29 am

-Ocelot- wrote:
Redternetia wrote:The "Far Left" doesn't want to take away guns. As a "far-leftist" myself, I advocate for arming all working people. San Francisco isn't a leftwing city of any sort. It's an American capitalist city, just like any other American city like Columbus, NYC, or Carson, except SF has a lot more gentrification going on (you know, what literally pushes poor people out of the city).


Has any communist government ever allowed its people to own guns? If not, what were the punishments for people with illegally bought guns?


Most authoritarian governments don't allow guns. It isn't because they're left wing, it's because they don't want to be overthrown for being shit leaders
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