SF declares NRA a terrorist organization

[Medwind]

tbh all gangs linked to crime should be declared terrorist organizations.

Too much glorification though. don't give the gangs that kind of attention, just lock em up

I don't believe the answer is to just lock people up and throw away the key, that's what we're currently doing and it's not working. The endless cycle of prison is not something to strive towards, we need to try to reintegrate criminals with society, we have to stop focusing on vengeance and more on whats best for the country. Going to prison is like going to a trade school for a lot of people. The focus needs to be on dissuading people from committing crimes in the first place, and truly helping those who are felons to make a new life, they've already paid for their crimes, yet society demonizes them, makes it impossible to get employed, and if you're lucky, you might work minimum wage, how can you take care of a family like that? This just increases the strain on welfare systems, and encourages an endless cycle of re offending, it's quite absurd.

[Bear Stearns]

Too much glorification though. don't give the gangs that kind of attention, just lock em up

I don't believe the answer is to just lock people up and throw away the key, that's what we're currently doing and it's not working. The endless cycle of prison is not something to strive towards, we need to try to reintegrate criminals with society, we have to stop focusing on vengeance and more on whats best for the country. Going to prison is like going to a trade school for a lot of people. The focus needs to be on dissuading people from committing crimes in the first place, and truly helping those who are felons to make a new life, they've already paid for their crimes, yet society demonizes them, makes it impossible to get employed, and if you're lucky, you might work minimum wage, how can you take care of a family like that? This just increases the strain on welfare systems, and encourages and endless cycle of re offending, it's quite absurd.

Fun fact: mass incarceration in the 1990s played a big role in reducing crime :^)

For real though, you want to really help America's bottom tier of people? Then deport illegal immigrants and make hiring one punishable by five years in prison + wealth confiscation.

We will either employ our entire underclass and solve a shitload of social problems or we will create a labor shortage that will give American workers a lot of bargaining power, while also putting the screws to unscrupulous agribusinesses and restaurant owners.

I'm happy with either.

[Medwind]

I don't believe the answer is to just lock people up and throw away the key, that's what we're currently doing and it's not working. The endless cycle of prison is not something to strive towards, we need to try to reintegrate criminals with society, we have to stop focusing on vengeance and more on whats best for the country. Going to prison is like going to a trade school for a lot of people. The focus needs to be on dissuading people from committing crimes in the first place, and truly helping those who are felons to make a new life, they've already paid for their crimes, yet society demonizes them, makes it impossible to get employed, and if you're lucky, you might work minimum wage, how can you take care of a family like that? This just increases the strain on welfare systems, and encourages and endless cycle of re offending, it's quite absurd.

Fun fact: mass incarceration in the 1990s played a big role in reducing crime :^)

Yeah? And how's that working out today?

[Takso]

The NS LGBT community is representative of who exactly?

The NS LGBT community. What does this have to do with San Francisco declaring the NRA a terrorist group?

Nothing at all, but for what's it worth... I once got an agenda in school... You remember agendas right? Or maybe your school was different. You know those small booklets that nobody used that was supposed to be for assignments and calendar stuff? Well anyway, mine had a rainbow on it. On that day, I discovered the Gay Agenda.

Let me tell you, there's not much in the Gay Agenda. Just a bunch of homework tips and places to write down notes.

[Bear Stearns]

Fun fact: mass incarceration in the 1990s played a big role in reducing crime :^)

Yeah? And how's that working out today?

Not so good since we've been rolling it back. A lot of people imprisoned during the drug war were not just harmless stoners getting locked up. The majority of them were already criminals to begin with.

Non-violent drug users are less than 5% of the prison population.

[Grand Britannia]

Fun fact: mass incarceration in the 1990s played a big role in reducing crime :^)

Yeah? And how's that working out today?

They uh, they stopped doing those.

"Mass incarceration" now a days are from dumbass minimum sentencing laws which result in low crimes getting punished in extreme ways. Back then jailing gang members just for being in that gang and specifically targeting people in trouble areas was working.

[Medwind]

Yeah? And how's that working out today?

Not so good since we've been rolling it back. A lot of people imprisoned during the drug war were not just harmless stoners getting locked up. The majority of them were already criminals to begin with.

Non-violent drug users are less than 5% of the prison population.

Post sources on that.

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/st ... fenses.jsp

Just one example of many.

Yeah? And how's that working out today?

They uh, they stopped doing those.

"Mass incarceration" now a days are from dumbass minimum sentencing laws which result in low crimes getting punished in extreme ways. Back then jailing gang members just for being in that gang and specifically targeting people in trouble areas was working.

You can receive worse penalties for gang membership when charged with a crime, and rico laws can be used against a lot of gang membership but being in a group is part of your lawful right to assembly afaik. Oh and, yes I agree with your statement about mandatory minimum sentencing, each case is situational, and mandatory minimums don't do anyone any good imo.

[Bear Stearns]

Yeah? And how's that working out today?

They uh, they stopped doing those.

"Mass incarceration" now a days are from dumbass minimum sentencing laws which result in low crimes getting punished in extreme ways. Back then jailing gang members just for being in that gang and specifically targeting people in trouble areas was working.

When people were arrested for drug possession in the 1990s, it was rarely the case of a mean cop wanting to take out some hapless stoner. Usually the perp was also well...being a violent criminal. Not only did they find the blunt, but they found the loaded gat, a knife, a stolen car, a 40 oz., and several priors as well!

[Bear Stearns]

Not so good since we've been rolling it back. A lot of people imprisoned during the drug war were not just harmless stoners getting locked up. The majority of them were already criminals to begin with.

Non-violent drug users are less than 5% of the prison population.

Post sources on that.

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/st ... fenses.jsp

Just one example of many.

I guarantee you the "drug offenses" there are almost all drug dealing/trafficking, is not a harmless crime.

[Medwind]

Damn, I realize this has gotten off topic to some extent. :/ Ah well, goodbye people, I'm going to go smoke some cigs and be back with another thread I had planned later.

[Grand Britannia]

They uh, they stopped doing those.

"Mass incarceration" now a days are from dumbass minimum sentencing laws which result in low crimes getting punished in extreme ways. Back then jailing gang members just for being in that gang and specifically targeting people in trouble areas was working.

When people were arrested for drug possession in the 1990s, it was rarely the case of a mean cop wanting to take out some hapless stoner. Usually the perp was also well...being a violent criminal. Not only did they find the blunt, but they found the loaded gat, a knife, a stolen car, a 40 oz., and several priors as well!

Stop gang members simply for being a gang also usually resulted in them find thing shit that would get them arrested, it was pretty effective and logical policy.

If you know a group is prone to crime, you're bound to get them jailed if you scrutinize their members everywhere.

[Shofercia]

San Francisco law makers have recently declared the NRA a terrorist organization, how far do you think the radical left will go to disarm Americans? What should be done about these fascistic policies that the new left is forcing upon us? Walmart is asking people not to follow their state law in states with open, or concealed carry, demanding that consumers stop bringing firearms into their stores, despite their complete failing to stop a mass shooting in one of their stores, and the fact that gun free zones are often targets for mass shooters. Many among the more moderate left continue to claim that the democrats aren't trying to disarm Americans, but when will they see that is exactly what the radical leftists want, and are pushing through, step by step at a time? Will they only see the truth when confiscation begins, or is their something we can do now to open their eyes to reality?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H1ZSnr9aZo

https://thewriterinblack.com/2017/05/17 ... ur-guns-2/

Dear San Francisco, please disarm the epidemic on your streets prior to whining about the NRA. Thank you. Even CNN understands: https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/12/1 ... r-orig.cnn

[Northwestern Elizabeth]

I gotta say that labeling the NRA as a domestic terrorist group is unfair to the tremendous majority of NRA members both in SF and around the country who obviously aren't criminals or mass murderers. I will say, though, that being pro-2A doesn't mean that you're pro-NRA. In my view, the NRA tries to deregulate guns in this country to a genuinely dangerous extent and they're just about as poisonous to the gun debate in this country as far left people who call for complete confiscation yet barely know anything about guns are. Admiring the second amendment doesn't mean you admire the NRA, and the NRA is certainly doing a good job at making it's more moderate members, and any moderate pro-2A people for that matter, look like unhinged alt-right people, and it's terribly unfortunate.

[Grinning Dragon]

Just like when shitbrick politicians go off on "gun control" or "ban da scary looking thing" sales go through the roof, what sf has done probably did the nra a favor and drive up donations and or increased their membership.
Then again, this is coming from a place that lets people use it as a shithole that they decided to no longer use "convicted felon" and now use "justice-involved persons" The place is fucking whacked and run by morons.

[The Two Jerseys]

So does SF consider it racism to label Colion Noir as a terrorist based solely on his political beliefs, or do they only extend that courtesy to Muslims?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

at the poll.

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The "Far Left" doesn't want to take away guns. As a "far-leftist" myself, I advocate for arming all working people. San Francisco isn't a leftwing city of any sort. It's an American capitalist city, just like any other American city like Columbus, NYC, or Carson, except SF has a lot more gentrification going on (you know, what literally pushes poor people out of the city).

I'm not going to argue semantics with you. Obviously I'm not talking about communists, or foreigners, or whatever it is you're referring too. (also you don't speak for all "far leftists" buddy) I'm referencing a specific brand of american leftism that has been steadily growing over the years.

Pretty funny.

If you say so. XD

Those are liberals you're referring to and they are as capitalist as they come so don't lump in us on the left with them k thanks bye

[Nantu]

Always amazed about the fight over guns in the US....maybe im just to Canadian as an American once told me...but as right wing conservative, I have pretty restrictive view guns, as of none at all....

I mean
You guys let someone kill, behead, and then eat a guy on a bus while police watched idly for 4 hours...and then eventually released him with full rights and a record seal on his own recognizance

And your prosecution threw the book at a guy who fired 4 warning shots at a berm safely to defend his life from people with literal pitchforks and torches who yelled on recorded CCTV "come out so we can kill you" after having set his house on fire

Self defense is not a particularly big virtue there.

Not defending Canadian justice, there is none. Pierre Trudeau and his Charter of Rights and Freedoms in the 1980s has ruined Canadian justice. Criminals receive the benefit of the doubt 9/10 and judges don't sentence jail time out of concern over vitiating someones rights....parole is a joke here...life sentence means parole in 25 years....our justice system is a joke but our gun laws aren't..I really dont see a reason for citizens to own guns...whats the point? Maybe speaking from a nation that didn't have to fight for its independence but still....canada has less guns and stricter laws and we have practically zero shootings...and this is coming from a a staunchly conservative person

[Grand Britannia]

I mean
You guys let someone kill, behead, and then eat a guy on a bus while police watched idly for 4 hours...and then eventually released him with full rights and a record seal on his own recognizance

And your prosecution threw the book at a guy who fired 4 warning shots at a berm safely to defend his life from people with literal pitchforks and torches who yelled on recorded CCTV "come out so we can kill you" after having set his house on fire

Self defense is not a particularly big virtue there.

Not defending Canadian justice, there is none. Pierre Trudeau and his Charter of Rights and Freedoms in the 1980s has ruined Canadian justice. Criminals receive the benefit of the doubt 9/10 and judges don't sentence jail time out of concern over vitiating someones rights....parole is a joke here...life sentence means parole in 25 years....our justice system is a joke but our gun laws aren't..I really dont see a reason for citizens to own guns...whats the point? Maybe speaking from a nation that didn't have to fight for its independence but still....canada has less guns and stricter laws and we have practically zero shootings...and this is coming from a a staunchly conservative person

So how many gangs does canada have to deal with? Or a non existent mental care system?

Majority of gun crime is done with hand guns. Easy to conceal, easy to carry. less than 1% of shootings are mass shooting where rifles are used, yet I dont see anyone trying to ban hand guns, all focus is on "assault weapons" or whatever nonsense politicians like. 2/3rds of gun deaths are from suicides, where's the outrage on that?

When are people going to admit they don't care about the real problem and just want the scary long rifle gone?

[Medwind]

I'm not going to argue semantics with you. Obviously I'm not talking about communists, or foreigners, or whatever it is you're referring too. (also you don't speak for all "far leftists" buddy) I'm referencing a specific brand of american leftism that has been steadily growing over the years.




If you say so. XD

Those are liberals you're referring to and they are as capitalist as they come so don't lump in us on the left with them k thanks bye

Lol, maybe read the post I made regarding this?

(I really hate repeating myself over and over and over again.)

[Nantu]

Canada has a growing gang problem and most handguns are smuggled illegally across the border from the us....except of idiotic justice system with he useless charter of rights and freedoms does not allow police to destroy confiscated guns..

[Medwind]

Lol, this entertained me: https://www.facebook.com/NationalRifleA ... 17500/?t=0 shows the slippery slope the left is sliding down, many two faced dems trying to seize weapons, and many dem voters too ignorant to realize whats going on. (and many more all to happy to go along with it, as can be seen by the cheering in the video, disgusting.)

[Greed and Death]

Canada has a growing gang problem and most handguns are smuggled illegally across the border from the us....except of idiotic justice system with he useless charter of rights and freedoms does not allow police to destroy confiscated guns..

Reselling them is more cost effective anyway.

[Rojava Free State]

Lol, this entertained me: https://www.facebook.com/NationalRifleA ... 17500/?t=0 shows the slippery slope the left is sliding down, many two faced dems trying to seize weapons, and many dem voters to ignorant to realize whats going on. (and many more all to happy to go along with it, as can be seen by the cheering in the video, disgusting.)

Notice how everyone who supports banning ARs doesn't actually live in the ghetto. "Why do you need a weapon of war?" They say. Well, in case you forgot or left the country for ten years, many American cities are basically in a state of war between rival gangs, drug dealers and every punk bitch and his momma. Kinda the biggest reason people own guns, cause of criminals

[Medwind]

Lol, this entertained me: https://www.facebook.com/NationalRifleA ... 17500/?t=0 shows the slippery slope the left is sliding down, many two faced dems trying to seize weapons, and many dem voters to ignorant to realize whats going on. (and many more all to happy to go along with it, as can be seen by the cheering in the video, disgusting.)

Notice how everyone who supports banning ARs doesn't actually live in the ghetto. "Why do you need a weapon of war?" They say. Well, in case you forgot or left the country for ten years, many American cities are basically in a state of war between rival gangs, drug dealers and every punk bitch and his momma. Kinda the biggest reason people own guns, cause of criminals

Yup, these candidates don't care about you, me or anyone else who lives in a major crime infested city. They care about pushing their radical agenda, consequences be damned, they want us neutered like the Europeans.