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Postby Otira » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:00 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Grenartia wrote:How is the NRA NOT a terrorist organization? They have repeatedly and consistently exploited violence for political gain.


Lying ain't cool yo

Maybe he's being sarcastic. Maybe? /unsure

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Postby Telconi » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:01 pm

Grenartia wrote:How is the NRA NOT a terrorist organization? They have repeatedly and consistently exploited violence for political gain.


NSG isn't a roleplaying board Gren.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:03 pm

Grenartia wrote:How is the NRA NOT a terrorist organization? They have repeatedly and consistently exploited violence for political gain.


NRA is a funny way of spelling anti gun Democrats.....
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Postby Medwind » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:04 pm

Telconi wrote:
Grenartia wrote:How is the NRA NOT a terrorist organization? They have repeatedly and consistently exploited violence for political gain.


NSG isn't a roleplaying board Gren.

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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:08 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Grenartia wrote:How is the NRA NOT a terrorist organization? They have repeatedly and consistently exploited violence for political gain.


NRA is a funny way of spelling anti gun Democrats.....

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:10 pm

Side note to anyone here interested in such things...

It appears that the pro-gun community in response to SF declaring the NRA a terrorist organization, has decided to gift prepaid NRA memberships upon all eleven council members who signed this act, officially making them members of the NRA. I would post a link here, but I don't know if moderation would like it as they are still openly accepting donations and I don't want it to look like I'm advertising for them.

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Postby Galloism » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:10 pm

Telconi wrote:
Grenartia wrote:How is the NRA NOT a terrorist organization? They have repeatedly and consistently exploited violence for political gain.


NSG isn't a roleplaying board Gren.

Hey Tel, I found a terrorist:

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anyone who makes it a political issues has blood on it's hands, left or right wing


Anyone who thinks that this shit can be handwaved away by uttering "don't make this a political issue", has blood on their hands. Politics affects everything. Especially life and death matters such as this. And the only way to prevent tragedies like this is *LE FUCKING GASP!* TO MAKE THIS A POLITICAL ISSUE!
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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:12 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:Side note to anyone here interested in such things...

It appears that the pro-gun community in response to SF declaring the NRA a terrorist organization, has decided to gift prepaid NRA memberships upon all eleven council members who signed this act, officially making them members of the NRA. I would post a link here, but I don't know if moderation would like it as they are still openly accepting donations and I don't want it to look like I'm advertising for them.

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Postby Telconi » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:12 pm

Galloism wrote:
Telconi wrote:
NSG isn't a roleplaying board Gren.

Hey Tel, I found a terrorist:

Grenartia wrote:
Anyone who thinks that this shit can be handwaved away by uttering "don't make this a political issue", has blood on their hands. Politics affects everything. Especially life and death matters such as this. And the only way to prevent tragedies like this is *LE FUCKING GASP!* TO MAKE THIS A POLITICAL ISSUE!


Pretty sure we ought to imprison terrorists eh?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:15 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:Side note to anyone here interested in such things...

It appears that the pro-gun community in response to SF declaring the NRA a terrorist organization, has decided to gift prepaid NRA memberships upon all eleven council members who signed this act, officially making them members of the NRA. I would post a link here, but I don't know if moderation would like it as they are still openly accepting donations and I don't want it to look like I'm advertising for them.

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I wonder how hypocritical San Fran is going to be in applying the "But we didn't actually do anything!" defense...
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:16 pm

Whelp, we just got several steps closer to a civil war. It's only a matter of time until street clashes turn into shootouts.
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Postby Takso » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:17 pm

Guns are definitely a hazard, and I think the NRA do no good for Americans... However, the greater focus should be on the mental health crisis in the United States. I could go on a killing spree with a kitchen knife... But I won't... Why? Because I'm not insane enough to want to kill a bunch of people. Some are though. It's not video games and it's not guns either. The violence originates in the head. Everything else is just an aid. Unfortunately to solve the mental health crisis you'll need to fund universal healthcare and preventive mental health programs... Both of which tend to rub Americans the wrong way as does gun control.

The Constitution is a roadblock to all kinds of solutions... But also problems as well. Meh.

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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:19 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:Here is a biased in the other direction source, but I think it actually better frames what the resolution that was passed does.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... anization/


I have read the piece they use a lot of fancy words to say

The NRA disagrees with us, their viewpoints are unpopular, therefore they are terrorist and we should punish anyone who does business with them. The fancy speak they used makes their declaration more problematic not less. Before I could have just dismissed it as grand standing by Politicians in Californian seeking a higher office now it is more of a pointed attack with the goal of badgering companies into not providing common services to the NRA.

Disagreement is assumed for the first amendment, if there is no disagreement there is no bloody point of the first amendment.

The first amendment is most needed when the speaker is unpopular remember emancipation, integration, and decriminalization of sodomy were all unpopular in their day. Banning or hampering unpopular speech is a good way to ensure the status quo.

Lastly a government attempting to get businesses to do what they cannot is dangerous and should be scrutinized heavily regardless of your political beliefs.
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Postby Mexican Liberation » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:19 pm

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There is an epidemic of conspiracy theories in this country. Everyone knows there is a mental health crisis, and some people have been radicalized by politics, left and right. They are not well, and can cause serious harm to others if left untreated. Some already have. Not once has the NRA told its people to maybe get themselves checked if they actually start thinking about doing this kind of stuff. If anything, it feeds into their delusions, "they" are everywhere, and can take away our freedoms at any given moment, so you better be ready. Not once has the NRA reassured its people that the enemy they are frightened of isn't as dangerous as they think. It hypes "them" as a legitimate threat to mankind that must be destroyed at some point in the future.

You're right that it would not be fair to prosecute the NRA as is, it could be argued it's just a bystander in this convoluted mess, but in its current form and its practices, its hands aren't totally clean either.


Actually the NRA has advocated improving our mental health system.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/2013012 ... d-firearms
So no.

Sure the NRA talks about guns being greatly restricted and many types being banned as a threat to gun owners. But that is not unreasonable as many people are calling for gun bans.


There's more to a mental health crisis than just saying "I support fixing it". No public statements since then discouraging people who might have become too radicalized. Worse is the NRA taking advantage of people's paranoia. There are people calling for gun bans, but literally not one senator or representative in support of that. Literally the whole point is "you guys, maybe we should keep the military grade stuff out of civilian hands", that the NRA twists into being the ultimate gun-grabbing move worthy of a violent uprising. That's the key difference between the NRA, and say, the GOA, and that is one reason why the city of SF decided to do this to the NRA in particular and not gun owners as a whole, else all the other gun groups would've been labeled terrorists as well.
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I guess calling everyone fascists wasn't good enough for em, so they resorted now to using the T word
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Postby Medwind » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:22 pm

Takso wrote:Guns are definitely a hazard, and I think the NRA do no good for Americans... However, the greater focus should be on the mental health crisis in the United States. I could go on a killing spree with a kitchen knife... But I won't... Why? Because I'm not insane enough to want to kill a bunch of people. Some are though. It's not video games and it's not guns either. The violence originates in the head. Everything else is just an aid. Unfortunately to solve the mental health crisis you'll need to fund universal healthcare and preventive mental health programs... Both of which tend to rub Americans the wrong way as does gun control.

The Constitution is a roadblock to all kinds of solutions... But also problems as well. Meh.

The main problem is the media that propagates images of the violence, and sensationalizes it. If mass shootings would be forced to be reported as localized news, many of these shooters wouldn't be getting the infamy and attention they crave, likely reducing the number of shooters. Terrorists would also be affected because they need people to take notice of their actions in order to spread fear, and try to change public opinion on political issues such as occupation, as that is their main goal.

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Rojava Free State wrote:I guess calling everyone fascists wasn't good enough for em, so they resorted now to using the T word


A government calling the NRA a terrorist organization probably confirms a lot of their fears.
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Postby Satans Angel » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:24 pm

Lmao, moderate leftist have no control over the actions of far leftist so there is nothing they can do about it. It is the same way that normal right wingers have no control over the far right. You can not control what someone believes.

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Medwind wrote:
Takso wrote:Guns are definitely a hazard, and I think the NRA do no good for Americans... However, the greater focus should be on the mental health crisis in the United States. I could go on a killing spree with a kitchen knife... But I won't... Why? Because I'm not insane enough to want to kill a bunch of people. Some are though. It's not video games and it's not guns either. The violence originates in the head. Everything else is just an aid. Unfortunately to solve the mental health crisis you'll need to fund universal healthcare and preventive mental health programs... Both of which tend to rub Americans the wrong way as does gun control.

The Constitution is a roadblock to all kinds of solutions... But also problems as well. Meh.

The main problem is the media that propagates images of the violence, and sensationalizes it. If mass shootings would be forced to be reported as localized news, many of these shooters wouldn't be getting the infamy and attention they crave, likely reducing the number of shooters. Terrorists would also be affected because they need people to take notice of their actions in order to spread fear, and try to change public opinion on political issues such as occupation, as that is their main goal.


I think it's outrageous when the news runs op eds about gun control. The guns had far less of an influence on these killers than the cult of personality the media sets up around them. Look at how much time the news devotes to reporting a murderer's life story and you'll see why these mass killings keep happening. The media definitely perpetuates the cycle of violence and they have no interest in stopping
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:25 pm

Mexican Liberation wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Actually the NRA has advocated improving our mental health system.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/2013012 ... d-firearms
So no.

Sure the NRA talks about guns being greatly restricted and many types being banned as a threat to gun owners. But that is not unreasonable as many people are calling for gun bans.


There's more to a mental health crisis than just saying "I support fixing it". No public statements since then discouraging people who might have become too radicalized. Worse is the NRA taking advantage of people's paranoia. There are people calling for gun bans, but literally not one senator or representative in support of that. Literally the whole point is "you guys, maybe we should keep the military grade stuff out of civilian hands", that the NRA twists into being the ultimate gun-grabbing move. That's the key difference between the NRA, and say, the GOA, and that is one reason why the city of SF decided to do this.


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Postby Rojava Free State » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:25 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:I guess calling everyone fascists wasn't good enough for em, so they resorted now to using the T word


A government calling the NRA a terrorist organization probably confirms a lot of their fears.


I'm still trying to figure out how the NRA count as terrorists. Last time I checked, terrorists blow people up. The NRA is basically just a first amendment fan club. They aren't out there killing people and burning buildings
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Postby Galloism » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:26 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
A government calling the NRA a terrorist organization probably confirms a lot of their fears.


I'm still trying to figure out how the NRA count as terrorists. Last time I checked, terrorists blow people up. The NRA is basically just a first amendment fan club. They aren't out there killing people and burning buildings

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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:26 pm

Medwind wrote:
Takso wrote:Guns are definitely a hazard, and I think the NRA do no good for Americans... However, the greater focus should be on the mental health crisis in the United States. I could go on a killing spree with a kitchen knife... But I won't... Why? Because I'm not insane enough to want to kill a bunch of people. Some are though. It's not video games and it's not guns either. The violence originates in the head. Everything else is just an aid. Unfortunately to solve the mental health crisis you'll need to fund universal healthcare and preventive mental health programs... Both of which tend to rub Americans the wrong way as does gun control.

The Constitution is a roadblock to all kinds of solutions... But also problems as well. Meh.

The main problem is the media that propagates images of the violence, and sensationalizes it. If mass shootings would be forced to be reported as localized news, many of these shooters wouldn't be getting the infamy and attention they crave, likely reducing the number of shooters. Terrorists would also be affected because they need people to take notice of their actions in order to spread fear, and try to change public opinion on political issues such as occupation, as that is their main goal.


Actually, I think the opposite is true. A mass shooting is any shooting where 4+ people are shot in a single incident. The vast majority of them are unreported. Only the politically charged/big body count ones tend to make the news. If we heavily reported on every mass shooting, our imagine of them would change overnight and people would clamor for the full force of the law to be brought down. Why?

Because everyone thinks mass shooters are otherwise normal people who became socially isolated/mentally disturbed and saw violence as an outlet. The reality is that most are fucking punk inner city hoodrat degenerates who were rotten from the start. And they need to be brought to heel.
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Postby Takso » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:27 pm

Medwind wrote:
Takso wrote:Guns are definitely a hazard, and I think the NRA do no good for Americans... However, the greater focus should be on the mental health crisis in the United States. I could go on a killing spree with a kitchen knife... But I won't... Why? Because I'm not insane enough to want to kill a bunch of people. Some are though. It's not video games and it's not guns either. The violence originates in the head. Everything else is just an aid. Unfortunately to solve the mental health crisis you'll need to fund universal healthcare and preventive mental health programs... Both of which tend to rub Americans the wrong way as does gun control.

The Constitution is a roadblock to all kinds of solutions... But also problems as well. Meh.

The main problem is the media that propagates images of the violence, and sensationalizes it. If mass shootings would be forced to be reported as localized news, many of these shooters wouldn't be getting the infamy and attention they crave, likely reducing the number of shooters. Terrorists would also be affected because they need people to take notice of their actions in order to spread fear, and try to change public opinion on political issues such as occupation, as that is their main goal.


That may have an impact, but you can't just blame the media. Let's start with the people who commit these mass shootings to begin with. Put the blame on the one who pulls the trigger.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:28 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Medwind wrote:The main problem is the media that propagates images of the violence, and sensationalizes it. If mass shootings would be forced to be reported as localized news, many of these shooters wouldn't be getting the infamy and attention they crave, likely reducing the number of shooters. Terrorists would also be affected because they need people to take notice of their actions in order to spread fear, and try to change public opinion on political issues such as occupation, as that is their main goal.


Actually, I think the opposite is true. A mass shooting is any shooting where 4+ people are shot in a single incident. The vast majority of them are unreported. Only the politically charged/big body count ones tend to make the news. If we heavily reported on every mass shooting, our imagine of them would change overnight and people would clamor for the full force of the law to be brought down. Why?

Because everyone thinks mass shooters are otherwise normal people who became socially isolated/mentally disturbed and saw violence as an outlet. The reality is that most are fucking punk inner city hoodrat degenerates who were rotten from the start. And they need to be brought to heel.


The mass shootings I was referring to was like the eric Harris types. The ones in Detroit or chiraq are a different phenomena altogether and indeed go unreported
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