SF declares NRA a terrorist organization

[Telconi]

Shhhhh, facts and logic aren't allowed.

You mean hyperbole and metaphor, Vass has the exclusive rights to those on this forum.

If anyone else does it it's just strawmanning.

Hyperbole and metaphor would be refreshing, at least they're related to the truth somehow.

[The Emerald Legion]

Given that Shapiro is now threatening to shoot people who teach LGBT acceptance in schools I think the city might have a point.

Vassenor, how do you get that from what he said? He's saying he should have a right to teach his children the values he wants them to learn and that he should be able to send them to a private school that aligns with those values if he so chooses.

He's saying that if the Democratic party is going to literally outlaw teaching his values to children then he is left with no choice but to take up arms against that government because he's already a criminal in their eyes.

[The Two Jerseys]

Given that Shapiro is now threatening to shoot people who teach LGBT acceptance in schools I think the city might have a point.

Vassenor, how do you get that from what he said?

I think we all know the answer to that one...

[Ors Might]

Given that Shapiro is now threatening to shoot people who teach LGBT acceptance in schools I think the city might have a point.

Vassenor, how do you get that from what he said? He's saying he should have a right to teach his children the values he wants them to learn and that he should be able to send them to a private school that aligns with those values if he so chooses.

He's saying that if the Democratic party is going to literally outlaw teaching his values to children then he is left with no choice but to take up arms against that government because he's already a criminal in their eyes.

Teaching kids the value of self-defense, an important aspect of bodily autonomy, is literally terrorism.

[The Emerald Legion]

Vassenor, how do you get that from what he said? He's saying he should have a right to teach his children the values he wants them to learn and that he should be able to send them to a private school that aligns with those values if he so chooses.

He's saying that if the Democratic party is going to literally outlaw teaching his values to children then he is left with no choice but to take up arms against that government because he's already a criminal in their eyes.

Teaching kids the value of self-defense, an important aspect of bodily autonomy, is literally terrorism.

Well in this case it's wanting to avoid teaching his kid that LGBT people are ok and that it's fine to be homosexual because he's religious.... but still. He's got a right to do that.

[Ors Might]

Teaching kids the value of self-defense, an important aspect of bodily autonomy, is literally terrorism.

Well in this case it's wanting to avoid teaching his kid that LGBT people are ok and that it's fine to be homosexual because he's religious.... but still. He's got a right to do that.

He’s a douche for it but I wouldn’t stop the man from teaching his kids his religious beliefs.

I still don’t know how Ben Shapiro is relevant to the thread.

[The Emerald Legion]

Well in this case it's wanting to avoid teaching his kid that LGBT people are ok and that it's fine to be homosexual because he's religious.... but still. He's got a right to do that.

He’s a douche for it but I wouldn’t stop the man from teaching his kids his religious beliefs.

I still don’t know how Ben Shapiro is relevant to the thread.

Because Vassenor decided that since Ben threatened to take up arms SF 'Had a point' about the NRA being a terrorist group. But that's the thing, the situation in which Shapiro said he would take up arms and violently oppose the government is far fetched nonsense that's spewing out of Beto O'Rourke's mouth. He's reacting to things said by Beto and pointing out that if Beto had his way, Shapiro and millions of other republicans would have no choice but to violently oppose the government.

It's not that he would WANT to. It's that Beto's stances are literally so far past the pale there would be no other option.

[Ors Might]

He’s a douche for it but I wouldn’t stop the man from teaching his kids his religious beliefs.

I still don’t know how Ben Shapiro is relevant to the thread.

Because Vassenor decided that since Ben threatened to take up arms SF 'Had a point' about the NRA being a terrorist group. But that's the thing, the situation in which Shapiro said he would take up arms and violently oppose the government is far fetched nonsense that's spewing out of Beto O'Rourke's mouth. He's reacting to things said by Beto and pointing out that if Beto had his way, Shapiro and millions of other republicans would have no choice but to violently oppose the government.

It's not that he would WANT to. It's that Beto's stances are literally so far past the pale there would be no other option.

Well shit, Shapiro and I have something in common. Armed revolt would sure as hell be better than anything Beto would enact if given the chance.

He’s a douche for it but I wouldn’t stop the man from teaching his kids his religious beliefs.

I still don’t know how Ben Shapiro is relevant to the thread.

because Vassenor brought him up as some sort of weird tactic to try and own the NRA. because i guess Ben Shapiro is the voice of the NRA now?

A move I have no doubt that she’d react positively to if used towards, say, Planned Parenthood.

[Uiiop]

Because Vassenor decided that since Ben threatened to take up arms SF 'Had a point' about the NRA being a terrorist group. But that's the thing, the situation in which Shapiro said he would take up arms and violently oppose the government is far fetched nonsense that's spewing out of Beto O'Rourke's mouth. He's reacting to things said by Beto and pointing out that if Beto had his way, Shapiro and millions of other republicans would have no choice but to violently oppose the government.

It's not that he would WANT to. It's that Beto's stances are literally so far past the pale there would be no other option.

Well shit, Shapiro and I have something in common. Armed revolt would sure as hell be better than anything Beto would enact if given the chance.

because Vassenor brought him up as some sort of weird tactic to try and own the NRA. because i guess Ben Shapiro is the voice of the NRA now?

A move I have no doubt that she’d react positively to if used towards, say, Planned Parenthood.

What Beto's wants in this case is not referring to his gun polices but all Schools teaching LGBT Stuff. Or just projecting enforced teaching upon his "Remove tax exemptions" for anti-LGBT churches idea. (I can't find anyone specifically talking about what beto wants in terms of schooling)
Sure you might have issues with but is it really armed revolt worthy especially if just removal of special treatment?

[Ors Might]

Well shit, Shapiro and I have something in common. Armed revolt would sure as hell be better than anything Beto would enact if given the chance.


A move I have no doubt that she’d react positively to if used towards, say, Planned Parenthood.

What Beto's wants in this case is not referring to his gun polices but all Schools teaching LGBT Stuff. Or just projecting enforced teaching upon his "Remove tax exemptions" for anti-LGBT churches idea. (I can't find anyone specifically talking about what beto wants in terms of schooling)
Sure you might have issues with but is it really armed revolt worthy especially if just removal of special treatment?

Ah. On that front, not really. I disagree on removing tax exemptions simply for being “anti-LGBT” and don’t think private schools should be forced into teaching LGBT stuff but it ain’t worth potentially killing anybody over.

[Telconi]

Well shit, Shapiro and I have something in common. Armed revolt would sure as hell be better than anything Beto would enact if given the chance.


A move I have no doubt that she’d react positively to if used towards, say, Planned Parenthood.

What Beto's wants in this case is not referring to his gun polices but all Schools teaching LGBT Stuff. Or just projecting enforced teaching upon his "Remove tax exemptions" for anti-LGBT churches idea. (I can't find anyone specifically talking about what beto wants in terms of schooling)
Sure you might have issues with but is it really armed revolt worthy especially if just removal of special treatment?

The government selectively taxing churches isn't just the "removal of special treatment" it is a clear violation of their constitutional rights.

[Uiiop]

What Beto's wants in this case is not referring to his gun polices but all Schools teaching LGBT Stuff. Or just projecting enforced teaching upon his "Remove tax exemptions" for anti-LGBT churches idea. (I can't find anyone specifically talking about what beto wants in terms of schooling)
Sure you might have issues with but is it really armed revolt worthy especially if just removal of special treatment?

The government selectively taxing churches isn't just the "removal of special treatment" it is a clear violation of their constitutional rights.

Why not both?

[Ors Might]

What Beto's wants in this case is not referring to his gun polices but all Schools teaching LGBT Stuff. Or just projecting enforced teaching upon his "Remove tax exemptions" for anti-LGBT churches idea. (I can't find anyone specifically talking about what beto wants in terms of schooling)
Sure you might have issues with but is it really armed revolt worthy especially if just removal of special treatment?

The government selectively taxing churches isn't just the "removal of special treatment" it is a clear violation of their constitutional rights.

Taxing an organization that qualifies for tax exempt status because of it’s beliefs is a pretty big first amendment no-no.

[The Two Jerseys]

The government selectively taxing churches isn't just the "removal of special treatment" it is a clear violation of their constitutional rights.

Taxing an organization that qualifies for tax exempt status because of it’s beliefs is a pretty big first amendment no-no.

Is there any part of the Constitution that the Democrats don't intend to piss on?

[Ors Might]

Taxing an organization that qualifies for tax exempt status because of it’s beliefs is a pretty big first amendment no-no.

Is there any part of the Constitution that the Democrats don't intend to piss on?

The Commerce Clause, maybe?

[Diopolis]

The government selectively taxing churches isn't just the "removal of special treatment" it is a clear violation of their constitutional rights.

Taxing an organization that qualifies for tax exempt status because of it’s beliefs is a pretty big first amendment no-no.

I mean, it’s not like it’s something democrats don’t usually try when it targets groups they don’t like. See: congress trying to get the tax exempt status revoked from SPLC(!) listed hate groups, Obama’s IRS targeting, etc.

[Telconi]

Is there any part of the Constitution that the Democrats don't intend to piss on?

The Commerce Clause, maybe?

The commerce clause is already a bucket of piss.

[Uiiop]

The government selectively taxing churches isn't just the "removal of special treatment" it is a clear violation of their constitutional rights.

Taxing an organization that qualifies for tax exempt status because of it’s beliefs is a pretty big first amendment no-no.

The way the law is set up means the qualifications are based on beliefs. Hence why i said it's both removal of special treatment and a 1A breach.
To actually play devil's advocate he said There can be no reward, no benefit, no tax break for anyone ... that denies the full human rights and the full civil rights of every single one of us" not that any opposition counts as that per se.
Maybe he's fine with say...churches not doing gay marriage themselves and being against but not preventing it's members from doing it from other sources.

[Diopolis]

Taxing an organization that qualifies for tax exempt status because of it’s beliefs is a pretty big first amendment no-no.

Is there any part of the Constitution that the Democrats don't intend to piss on?

The clause that doesn’t exist which says abortion is a fundamental right, and also they don’t want to quarter troops on us in peacetime yet.

[Ors Might]

Taxing an organization that qualifies for tax exempt status because of it’s beliefs is a pretty big first amendment no-no.

The way the law is set up means the qualifications are based on beliefs. Hence why i said it's both removal of special treatment and a 1A breach.
To actually play devil's advocate he said There can be no reward, no benefit, no tax break for anyone ... that denies the full human rights and the full civil rights of every single one of us" not that any opposition counts as that per se.
Maybe he's fine with say...churches not doing gay marriage themselves and being against but not preventing it's members from doing it from other sources.

Define “prevention” cause a church that’s against something but doesn’t denounce its members when they do it isn’t really against that thing.

[The Emerald Legion]

What Beto's wants in this case is not referring to his gun polices but all Schools teaching LGBT Stuff. Or just projecting enforced teaching upon his "Remove tax exemptions" for anti-LGBT churches idea. (I can't find anyone specifically talking about what beto wants in terms of schooling)
Sure you might have issues with but is it really armed revolt worthy especially if just removal of special treatment?

Ah. On that front, not really. I disagree on removing tax exemptions simply for being “anti-LGBT” and don’t think private schools should be forced into teaching LGBT stuff but it ain’t worth potentially killing anybody over.

The issue there is that opens the door to conservatives having to choose between sending their kids to school to be indoctrinated, or keeping them at home and potentially having democratic politicians try to take them due to not sticking to the curriculum.

It's a situation that's bound to end up with conservatives losing their children.

[Uiiop]

The way the law is set up means the qualifications are based on beliefs. Hence why i said it's both removal of special treatment and a 1A breach.
To actually play devil's advocate he said There can be no reward, no benefit, no tax break for anyone ... that denies the full human rights and the full civil rights of every single one of us" not that any opposition counts as that per se.
Maybe he's fine with say...churches not doing gay marriage themselves and being against but not preventing it's members from doing it from other sources.

Define “prevention” cause a church that’s against something but doesn’t denounce its members when they do it isn’t really against that thing.

Hypothetically speaking...(I'm aware that this wasn't necessarily condoned in that case but if some like that is) that and/or conversion therapies

[Telconi]

Taxing an organization that qualifies for tax exempt status because of it’s beliefs is a pretty big first amendment no-no.

The way the law is set up means the qualifications are based on beliefs. Hence why i said it's both removal of special treatment and a 1A breach.
To actually play devil's advocate he said There can be no reward, no benefit, no tax break for anyone ... that denies the full human rights and the full civil rights of every single one of us" not that any opposition counts as that per se.
Maybe he's fine with say...churches not doing gay marriage themselves and being against but not preventing it's members from doing it from other sources.

Coming from someone who advocates abuses of those rights, I'm skeptical.

[Gormwood]

Given that Shapiro is now threatening to shoot people who teach LGBT acceptance in schools I think the city might have a point.

Vassenor, how do you get that from what he said? He's saying he should have a right to teach his children the values he wants them to learn and that he should be able to send them to a private school that aligns with those values if he so chooses.

He's saying that if the Democratic party is going to literally outlaw teaching his values to children then he is left with no choice but to take up arms against that government because he's already a criminal in their eyes.

Shapiro made no mention of kids when said he'd pick up his gun. Quality apologism from you there. Might have a shot at working on FOXNews.

[The Emerald Legion]

Vassenor, how do you get that from what he said? He's saying he should have a right to teach his children the values he wants them to learn and that he should be able to send them to a private school that aligns with those values if he so chooses.

He's saying that if the Democratic party is going to literally outlaw teaching his values to children then he is left with no choice but to take up arms against that government because he's already a criminal in their eyes.

Shapiro made no mention of kids when said he'd pick up his gun. Quality apologism from you there. Might have a shot at working on FOXNews.

.... Did you literally not listen to the clip? His literal words are 'If they're going to take my kids from me and make that policy on a national level, I have two choices. Leave the Country, or pick up a gun.'