SF declares NRA a terrorist organization

[Fahran]

Alright... So opposition to people who want to take away guns comes from the left (here meaning socialists, anarchists, and communists) and most of the right. What exactly is the point of arguing about who is on the left? We all know who specifically is meant when Beto's name pops up. The DNC establishment and most of the outliers as well.

[Ifreann]

Alright... So opposition to people who want to take away guns comes from the left (here meaning socialists, anarchists, and communists) and most of the right. What exactly is the point of arguing about who is on the left? We all know who specifically is meant when Beto's name pops up. The DNC establishment and most of the outliers as well.

Yes, we all know that the left aren't trying to take people's guns. There is no point with arguing with people who say things along the lines of "The liberal capitalists in the Democratic Party are leftists, actually, because the GOP are way further right", that's just obviously wrong.

[Fahran]

Alright... So opposition to people who want to take away guns comes from the left (here meaning socialists, anarchists, and communists) and most of the right. What exactly is the point of arguing about who is on the left? We all know who specifically is meant when Beto's name pops up. The DNC establishment and most of the outliers as well.

Yes, we all know that the left aren't trying to take people's guns. There is no point with arguing with people who say things along the lines of "The liberal capitalists in the Democratic Party are leftists, actually, because the GOP are way further right", that's just obviously wrong.

The DNC wants to take our guns. Labour wants to take our butter knives. :^)

[The Emerald Legion]

Alright... So opposition to people who want to take away guns comes from the left (here meaning socialists, anarchists, and communists) and most of the right. What exactly is the point of arguing about who is on the left? We all know who specifically is meant when Beto's name pops up. The DNC establishment and most of the outliers as well.

Yes, we all know that the left aren't trying to take people's guns. There is no point with arguing with people who say things along the lines of "The liberal capitalists in the Democratic Party are leftists, actually, because the GOP are way further right", that's just obviously wrong.

You do realize that Left =\= Socialism/communism correct?

Trying to argue that the DNC aren't leftists Is like trying to argue that Velveeta isn't cheese.

[Gormwood]

Yes, we all know that the left aren't trying to take people's guns. There is no point with arguing with people who say things along the lines of "The liberal capitalists in the Democratic Party are leftists, actually, because the GOP are way further right", that's just obviously wrong.

You do realize that Left =\= Socialism/communism correct?

Trying to argue that the DNC aren't leftists Is like trying to argue that Velveeta isn't cheese.

You consider Velveeta cheese? God have mercy on your soul.

[Ifreann]

Yes, we all know that the left aren't trying to take people's guns. There is no point with arguing with people who say things along the lines of "The liberal capitalists in the Democratic Party are leftists, actually, because the GOP are way further right", that's just obviously wrong.

You do realize that Left =\= Socialism/communism correct?

Trying to argue that the DNC aren't leftists Is like trying to argue that Velveeta isn't cheese.

I don't know what that is, but since this is America we're talking about I assume it's some kind of petroleum by-product marketed as cheese.

[Diopolis]

You do realize that Left =\= Socialism/communism correct?

Trying to argue that the DNC aren't leftists Is like trying to argue that Velveeta isn't cheese.

I don't know what that is, but since this is America we're talking about I assume it's some kind of petroleum by-product marketed as cheese.

More like cheese with additives to make it melt better.

[The Grims]

I don't know what that is, but since this is America we're talking about I assume it's some kind of petroleum by-product marketed as cheese.

More like cheese with additives to make it melt better.

Except modern Velveeta contains no cheese at all.

[Fartsniffage]

You do realize that Left =\= Socialism/communism correct?

Trying to argue that the DNC aren't leftists Is like trying to argue that Velveeta isn't cheese.

I don't know what that is, but since this is America we're talking about I assume it's some kind of petroleum by-product marketed as cheese.

Milk, water, whey, milk protein concentrate, milkfat, whey protein concentrate, sodium phosphate, and 2% or less of salt, calcium phosphate, lactic acid, sorbic acid, sodium citrate, sodium alginate, enzymes, apocarotenal, annatto, cheese culture.

Sounds yummy.

[The Emerald Legion]

You do realize that Left =\= Socialism/communism correct?

Trying to argue that the DNC aren't leftists Is like trying to argue that Velveeta isn't cheese.

You consider Velveeta cheese? God have mercy on your soul.

It's disgusting cheese but still cheese.

[Ifreann]

I don't know what that is, but since this is America we're talking about I assume it's some kind of petroleum by-product marketed as cheese.

Milk, water, whey, milk protein concentrate, milkfat, whey protein concentrate, sodium phosphate, and 2% or less of salt, calcium phosphate, lactic acid, sorbic acid, sodium citrate, sodium alginate, enzymes, apocarotenal, annatto, cheese culture.

Sounds yummy.

Love me some apocarotenal.

[The Grims]

You consider Velveeta cheese? God have mercy on your soul.

It's disgusting cheese but still cheese.

Why ? It contains no cheese, is not made like cheese... what does make it cheese according to you ?

[Ethel mermania]

It's disgusting cheese but still cheese.

Why ? It contains no cheese, is not made like cheese... what does make it cheese according to you ?

The feds call it a processed cheese food.

Dont blame us, it was invented by the swiss.

[The Grims]

Why ? It contains no cheese, is not made like cheese... what does make it cheese according to you ?

The feds call it a processed cheese food.

Dont blame us, it was invented by the swiss.

You misunderstand - 50 years ago it was a cheesebased product. A case for it being cheese could be made based on that.
However, the ingredients and method of manafacturing changed. It is now cheesefree.

[Ethel mermania]

The feds call it a processed cheese food.

Dont blame us, it was invented by the swiss.

You misunderstand - 50 years ago it was a cheesebased product. A case for it being cheese could be made based on that.
However, the ingredients and method of manafacturing changed. It is now cheesefree.

Sadly no, it was always semi-plastic crap. The milk, milk protein and whey, allow them to claim a cheeselike status.

[Thermodolia]

You do realize that Left =\= Socialism/communism correct?

Trying to argue that the DNC aren't leftists Is like trying to argue that Velveeta isn't cheese.

You consider Velveeta cheese? God have mercy on your soul.

Velveeta cheese is great. Especially when melted on shells

[Thermodolia]

More like cheese with additives to make it melt better.

Except modern Velveeta contains no cheese at all.

It’s a cheese product

[Telconi]

You misunderstand - 50 years ago it was a cheesebased product. A case for it being cheese could be made based on that.
However, the ingredients and method of manafacturing changed. It is now cheesefree.

Sadly no, it was always semi-plastic crap. The milk, milk protein and whey, allow them to claim a cheeselike status.

>Semi-plastic crap.

You take that back, Velveeta doesn't deserve to be lumped in with the Kardashians!

[Kernen]

You consider Velveeta cheese? God have mercy on your soul.

Velveeta cheese is great. Especially when melted on shells

Any flavor Velveeta provides, real cheese can do better.

[Ethel mermania]

Sadly no, it was always semi-plastic crap. The milk, milk protein and whey, allow them to claim a cheeselike status.

>Semi-plastic crap.

You take that back, Velveeta doesn't deserve to be lumped in with the Kardashians!

I dont see how the "semi" applies to the Kardashians, but I will endeavor to consider your sensitivities in the matter.

[Telconi]

>Semi-plastic crap.

You take that back, Velveeta doesn't deserve to be lumped in with the Kardashians!

I dont see how the "semi" applies to the Kardashians, but I will endeavor to consider your sensitivities in the matter.

Presumably they still have functioning biological organs. Those organs are just anchored to, and depend on, plastic components.

Like the Borg from Star Trek, but less cool, and slightly more nefarious.

[Medwind]

Why are you so obsessed with semantics, and where exactly Beto is on the political spectrum?

You can't expect the left to take it lying down when you tell lies about them.

I haven't told a single lie, you're just obsessed about semantics, possibly because you have no real argument, or because you're uninformed maybe? Idk. No offense intended, but you should know exactly what I'm talking about, American's who are Democrats are considered leftists, BY AMERICAN STANDARDS. I don't really care if they fail to meet your foreign standards, or even international standards, and I've already explained this. Democrats in the US call themselves leftists, they are the furthest leaning left (major) party in the US, they advocate bringing the US further left, and while to you, that may be center right, in America, it is considered LEFT.

Are you trying to distance yourself from him, and say that he's not a "real" leftist, so that you don't have to defend him? In reality, he's a political opportunist, looking to grab political power anyway he can, using any message that looks like it will gain support. Right now, in the democratic party, (the left wing party in America buddy)

Not so much left wing, just less far right.

I'm tired of saying the same things, it's monotonous.

that message is seizing guns, point blank. That's what's resounding with left wing voters that he's trying to court.

This thread is full of leftists telling you that they don't want to seize guns, and quoting Marx saying that the proletariat should never surrender their arms.

It's also full of arms seizing apologists, and those who outright support it, *who claim to be leftists.* You, and those who share your views, do not hold a monopoly on the word leftist.

Thus - leftwing voting block, leftwing party, leftwing agenda = leftwing.

It's "bloc". And it's "left wing", two words.

Here we go again with semantics, and grammar. You wouldn't happen to be an English teacher would you? What did this contribute to this conversation? Do you gain some feeling of intellectual superiority from correcting people? Also, I know that those are two separate words, as you can see from the way I typed it earlier, I just didn't care enough to separate them.

This isn't Europe, please don't apply foreign political stances to the US, it doesn't matter if he's not a leftist in Timbuktu,

Timbuktu is in Africa.

Smh, I know that, it's a SAYING dude, a cultural thing where I'm from I guess, when you want to reference something no one cares about, (no offense to those from there, I didn't make the meaning of the phrase) that's very far away, you use Timbuktu.

he's on the left side of the spectrum in the US.

No he's not. There is more to American politics than the Democrats and Republicans.

Yes he is by mainstream US standards, to be frank, no one cares about independent parties, their barely relevant in any serious way, in mainstream opinion. (not everyone thinks this way but the MAJORITY do, I feel that I need to clarify this because you seem to be a VERY literal person.)

Also why are you overly focused on Beto?

Follow the thread of the conversation, friend.

I have been, and you have failed to address ANYTHING, other than being obstinate about this mans political ideology.

Why has no one addressed my 2nd link in the OP? So many people who claim the left is not attempting to seize, or limit the ability to purchase weapons, yet no one wants to address what the politicians they support are saying.

Probably because they don't support those people.

Yet, a great deal of them do, and have clearly stated so on here......smh.

https://www.yourdictionary.com/LEFT
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/leftist

Where does it say that communists have a patent on the word left, or leftist?

Edit, oh, and here, just to show that I'm not making that saying up: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define. ... m=Timbuktu
And YES, I realize Urban Dictionary is not a reliable source, it is however the closest thing to a pop culture dictionary available to me. I really hate when someone tries to correct me about something, (multiple somethings in this case) when they have NO IDEA what they're talking about.

[Tobleste]

The Netherlands has personal more freedom than USA. For example weed and hookers are legal. USA has more economic freedom for example with lower taxes. How exactly is USA struggling their economy is doing better on average than the EU.

Struggling with tyranny. Not struggling economically.

And? Drugs and Hookers are legal in parts of the US as well. Not even to mention that the simple addition of a camera makes prostitution legal basically everywhere.

Not to mention those rankings are made by Europhiles who wouldn't know freedom if it slapped them with a trout.

So what does freedom mean in your mind?

[Tobleste]

I can't even tell if the OP is trolling. What is so facistic about making some guncontrols? Many countries have guncontrols and yet are very free societies.

Ok, so, disarming our people, (a policy that's viewed favorably in autocratic nations historically, such as the Stalinist USSR, Nazi Germany etc.) can be viewed as a fascistic policy imo. Especially when it's in violation of our constitution, our way of life, and personal freedom. Notice that I didn't accuse leftists of being fascists, you can support some fascistic policies without being fascist, just like you may support socialist policies without being a socialist. Taking away people's right, and ability to defend themselves without their opinions on it mattering is an autocratic policy, no if's and's or buts about it. As to "making gun controls" we already have them. What's going on now is labeling political opponents as terrorists in order to silence and discredit them, a decidedly fascistic policy, as well as politicians who have no idea what their talking about making emotional, ignorant demands about forcibly disarming Americans, a violation of their constitutional rights, and a fascistic policy imo.

1. It's viewed favourably by practically every nation on earth but the US. You may as well say the metric system is fascist.

2. Many people do support gun control and complete public support for a policy has never been a requirement for it.

3. Doesn't the NRA regularly demonise it's opponents? I don't think the NRA are terrorists but they are awful and if this upsets them, then it's a good cause.

[Proctopeo]

Struggling with tyranny. Not struggling economically.

And? Drugs and Hookers are legal in parts of the US as well. Not even to mention that the simple addition of a camera makes prostitution legal basically everywhere.

Not to mention those rankings are made by Europhiles who wouldn't know freedom if it slapped them with a trout.

So what does freedom mean in your mind?

I mean, what does it mean in yours?

Ok, so, disarming our people, (a policy that's viewed favorably in autocratic nations historically, such as the Stalinist USSR, Nazi Germany etc.) can be viewed as a fascistic policy imo. Especially when it's in violation of our constitution, our way of life, and personal freedom. Notice that I didn't accuse leftists of being fascists, you can support some fascistic policies without being fascist, just like you may support socialist policies without being a socialist. Taking away people's right, and ability to defend themselves without their opinions on it mattering is an autocratic policy, no if's and's or buts about it. As to "making gun controls" we already have them. What's going on now is labeling political opponents as terrorists in order to silence and discredit them, a decidedly fascistic policy, as well as politicians who have no idea what their talking about making emotional, ignorant demands about forcibly disarming Americans, a violation of their constitutional rights, and a fascistic policy imo.

1. It's viewed favourably by practically every nation on earth but the US. You may as well say the metric system is fascist.

Just because everyone does it doesn't mean it's a good thing, this should be really obvious.