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Will the more moderate leftists ever awaken to the insidious, authoritarian group among them?

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No, they are too established in their views, and don't care enough.
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No, because no one's trying to take away guns!
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Yes, and they will come around to agree with the far left in that guns should be banned!
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:38 am

Proctopeo wrote:Incredibly stupid, but in character for San Francisco.
It ought to not go beyond the quarantine borders of California, else the Supreme Court is gonna have fun with this.

What possible Supreme Court case could arise from this?
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Postby Galloism » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:49 am

Ifreann wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Incredibly stupid, but in character for San Francisco.
It ought to not go beyond the quarantine borders of California, else the Supreme Court is gonna have fun with this.

What possible Supreme Court case could arise from this?

Well, given the city is threatening local businesses not to deal with the NRA or face discrimination in the city’s bidding process, there’s a question to be raised on whether government contracts can be used to as a bargaining chip to get a person to trade their free association away for government money.
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Postby Flawless Walruses » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:05 am

Will the more moderate leftists ever awaken to the insidious, authoritarian group among them?


Will the more radical leftists ever awaken to the badge-licking, virtue-signalling, brand-identifying, low-information moderates among them?

If the 2nd Amendment needs allies on the Left, you won't find many among the self-described moderates.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:11 am

Flawless Walruses wrote:
Will the more moderate leftists ever awaken to the insidious, authoritarian group among them?


Will the more radical leftists ever awaken to the badge-licking, virtue-signalling, brand-identifying, low-information moderates among them?

If the 2nd Amendment needs allies on the Left, you won't find many among the self-described moderates.


As a leftist and a gun rights advocate, I can't help but be suspicious of the true motives of the gun control movement. True we could use some more background checks, but there's a large number of people who really do wanna ban most if not all guns, and I'm not cool with that
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:53 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:So does SF consider it racism to label Colion Noir as a terrorist based solely on his political beliefs, or do they only extend that courtesy to Muslims?


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That's a good question.

I also can't wait for Mr. Noir to post a response to this. Should be fan-fucking tastic.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:57 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:So does SF consider it racism to label Colion Noir as a terrorist based solely on his political beliefs, or do they only extend that courtesy to Muslims?


.....

That's a good question.

I also can't wait for Mr. Noir to post a response to this. Should be fan-fucking tastic.


I wish we lived in a country where we could disagree without the disagreements becoming bitter, personal and often violent. I don't agree with a Muslim that Islam is a religion of peace but I can still live in the same neighborhood as him, go to the same school and even have friendly relations with Muslim people, because while I disagree with some of their beliefs, I still treat them like anyone else and think they deserve to be recognized as human beings too.

The only people I truly take issue with are people who are murderers or people who only believe in helping themselves and no one else
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Postby The Communist Union of B » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:10 am

I find this real funny because I haven’t seen the NRA commit one act that makes it a terrorist group yet a city has classified the NRA as such. Now whenever Antifa goes smashing public property, sucker punching people, throwing items at the police, and smashing the windows out of Marine recruiting offices, nobody cares and if anybody says that they should be a terrorist group, then the people wanting Antifa classified as a terrorist group are called Nazis, all because Antifa is “spreading peace and fighting Nazis [really just peaceful Republicans in most cases])
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:11 am

The Communist Union of B wrote:I find this real funny because I haven’t seen the NRA commit one act that makes it a terrorist group yet a city has classified the NRA as such. Now whenever Antifa goes smashing public property, sucker punching people, throwing items at the police, and smashing the windows out of Marine recruiting offices, nobody cares and if anybody says that they should be a terrorist group, then the people wanting Antifa classified as a terrorist group are called Nazis, all because Antifa is “spreading peace and fighting Nazis [really just peaceful Republicans in most cases])


If the NRA is a terror cell, what is antifa then? A threat to humankind?
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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:29 am

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Postby ZSeparatists » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:34 am

Well ANTIFA is a domestic terror organization, but obviously not the NRA lol
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:58 am

ZSeparatists wrote:Well ANTIFA is a domestic terror organization, but obviously not the NRA lol


Curiosity.....what acts of terror have they committed?
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Postby Telconi » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:09 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
ZSeparatists wrote:Well ANTIFA is a domestic terror organization, but obviously not the NRA lol


Curiosity.....what acts of terror have they committed?


Same one the NRA has.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:33 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
ZSeparatists wrote:Well ANTIFA is a domestic terror organization, but obviously not the NRA lol


Curiosity.....what acts of terror have they committed?


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa ... y-n2550031
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Postby Novus America » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:06 am

Ifreann wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Incredibly stupid, but in character for San Francisco.
It ought to not go beyond the quarantine borders of California, else the Supreme Court is gonna have fun with this.

What possible Supreme Court case could arise from this?


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:11 am

Novus America wrote:
Ifreann wrote:What possible Supreme Court case could arise from this?


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html
Using a government to suppress the political opposition is a violation of the first Amendment.

Not like we've never done that before. Suppression of the opposition is depressingly common whenever the United States gets into a major war.
EDIT: Which, to clarify, this is not. The point is that there's precedent, and I'm not really buying the idea that this is in any way out of character for the US.
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Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Novus America wrote:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.co ... index.html
Using a government to suppress the political opposition is a violation of the first Amendment.

Not like we've never done that before. Suppression of the opposition is depressingly common whenever the United States gets into a major war.
EDIT: Which, to clarify, this is not. The point is that there's precedent, and I'm not really buying the idea that this is in any way out of character for the US.


This is, trying to cut off government contracts based purely on partisan politics is no bueno.
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Postby Olde Carolina » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:21 am

I am a gun owner who looked into joining the NRA a few years ago. It was too fear based for me. I'm into hunting and sport shooting but i found the NRA more conspiracy/political than sportsman.

That being said, the NRA is not a terrorist organization. That's pretty insane. I liked visiting San Francisco, but it's so expensive and I feel that they are out of touch. Kind of the same vibe I get from Kamala Harris actually.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:25 am

This is a non-binding resolution that serves no effect but to defame the NRA. Putting the NRA on an actual terror list would result in the seizure of its assets, arrests of its members, and depriving it of its finances and ability to use the American banking system.

While it certainly is funny, it sends a dangerous message to lawful gun-owners everywhere.

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Olde Carolina wrote:I am a gun owner who looked into joining the NRA a few years ago. It was too fear based for me. I'm into hunting and sport shooting but i found the NRA more conspiracy/political than sportsman.

That being said, the NRA is not a terrorist organization. That's pretty insane. I liked visiting San Francisco, but it's so expensive and I feel that they are out of touch. Kind of the same vibe I get from Kamala Harris actually.


The NRA is a political organization, founded for the following original purposes:

1. To arm and train former Union soldiers in responsible gun ownership, to improve marksmanship among the same, and to teach both respect for firearms and gun safety among the general American public. (This was their primary goal. They still work to teach marksmanship with guides andtraining courses.)

2. To arm and train former slaves for the same reasons and protect them from aggression. (This was a side product of being so in line with the Union and being controlled by Union interests, rather than the reason it started.)

3. To advocate for, preserve, and protect the Second Amendment and the right to keep and bare arms, as well as encourage the use of arms in self-defense. (This ultimately became the primary goal of the NRA and is the entire reason it still exists.)

The NRA is one of the oldest and largest civil rights organizations in America. You don't join it to become a better hunter (although they do continue this). You join it in order to preserve the status quo on guns and prevent firearm confiscation, which some men running for office now specifically say they will do. The NRA is a defensive civil rights organization.

If you want an offensive civil rights organization, I reccomend the National Association for Gun Rights (or NAGR, pronounced "nagger" for a reason) or the Gun Owners of America. While the NRA uses its clout to hold the line, these two advance the expansion of gun rights. It's why all three normally work together.
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:05 am

Num Vent wrote:
Redternetia wrote:The "Far Left" doesn't want to take away guns. As a "far-leftist" myself, I advocate for arming all working people. San Francisco isn't a leftwing city of any sort. It's an American capitalist city, just like any other American city like Columbus, NYC, or Carson, except SF has a lot more gentrification going on (you know, what literally pushes poor people out of the city).

You mean black people?

They're usually hit hardest because they (on average) have lower income, but no.

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Postby Novus America » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:09 am

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Redternetia wrote:The "Far Left" doesn't want to take away guns. As a "far-leftist" myself, I advocate for arming all working people. San Francisco isn't a leftwing city of any sort. It's an American capitalist city, just like any other American city like Columbus, NYC, or Carson, except SF has a lot more gentrification going on (you know, what literally pushes poor people out of the city).


I'm not going to argue semantics with you. Obviously I'm not talking about communists, or foreigners, or whatever it is you're referring too. (also you don't speak for all "far leftists" buddy) I'm referencing a specific brand of american leftism that has been steadily growing over the years.


Ifreann wrote:Pretty funny.


If you say so. XD


Well true San Francisco is a Silicon Valley tech bro city.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:13 am

Novus America wrote:
Medwind wrote:
I'm not going to argue semantics with you. Obviously I'm not talking about communists, or foreigners, or whatever it is you're referring too. (also you don't speak for all "far leftists" buddy) I'm referencing a specific brand of american leftism that has been steadily growing over the years.




If you say so. XD


Well true San Francisco is a Silicon Valley tech bro city.


San Francisco is not actually in Silicon Valley.

San Francisco is more home to ancillary industries that serve tech, such as banking, venture capital, staffing, etc. (though a lot of tech is there too).

The programming geeks and software engineers are further south in Mountain View, San Jose, Los Altos, etc.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:15 am

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Novus America wrote:
Well true San Francisco is a Silicon Valley tech bro city.


San Francisco is not actually in Silicon Valley.

San Francisco is more home to ancillary industries that serve tech, such as banking, venture capital, staffing, etc. (though a lot of tech is there too).

The programming geeks and software engineers are further south in Mountain View, San Jose, Los Altos, etc.


I know it is not in Silicon Valley. Unfortunately Silicon Valley Tech bros have become a dangerous invasive species outside their natural habitat.
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Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Czechoslovakia and Zakarpatia » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:16 am

"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary." - Karl Marx himself.

The "left" doesn't want to seize the guns of Americans, whether communist or non communist, nor do they want to abolish the Second Amendment. Marxist theory specifically warns against such acts.

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Postby Grand Britannia » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:16 am

Num Vent wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:They're usually hit hardest because they (on average) have lower income, but no.

Most poor people are black, even if white one have enough privelege to have some comformity


Poor white people have privilege

Imagine unironically believing this.
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