What is America's breaking point?

[Kowani]

Lol, Trump must be like Hitler 2.0 to you guys. It's crazy how radicalized the left has become, hoping for revolution against a lawful president, smh.

Everyone is radicalized, not just the Left. The current culture of American politics has made it unfashionable to not be ridiculously extreme....in all the wrong ways I might add.

Yes, not all of us want to instill Sharia.

[Grand Proudhonia]

At this point, the acceleration of capitalism.... speed it up and make our society as it stands obsolete and inefficient... form fully automated luxury space communism, profit

[Otira]

Simple question, what action would trump have to commit for Americans to decide enough is enough and remove him by force. And I don't mean angry phone calls to senators, I mean rioting in the streets, serious calls for secession, and a mob marching in DC with members of the military taking their side.

What boneheaded move would Trump and his allies need to make for the American people to lose all patience and take action against the government for once in their lives? What would be the straw that breaks the camel's back?

Personally I don't have that much faith in the American people. I honestly believe that Trump could declare himself president for life, repeal the first amendment, reinstate segregation, openly deny the holocaust, publicly execute political enemies, place hispanics in death camps, invade Greenland, invite Russian troops, and make pineapple pizza the national food, and Americans would still stare at their screens drooling and completely indifferent to the world around them.

I suppose he would have to do something that warranted being legally removed.

[Cappuccina]

Everyone is radicalized, not just the Left. The current culture of American politics has made it unfashionable to not be ridiculously extreme....in all the wrong ways I might add.

Yes, not all of us want to instill Sharia.

Nor do all of us want a totalitarian state.

[Kowani]

Yes, not all of us want to instill Sharia.

Nor do all of us want a totalitarian state.

Fastest whataboutism in the west.

[Cappuccina]

Nor do all of us want a totalitarian state.

Fastest whataboutism in the west.

Take it as you will. Everyone here muses about ideal societies in the image of their views, none that will come to pass.

[Medwind]

Well this thread will go well...

I honestly don't expect Trump to be stupid enough to commit (insert action here), we're not that lucky. I just want to ask if Americans are even capable of taking back their government if the need ever arose, not that it didn't a hundred times before in the past only to be answered with complete and utter apathy.

The answer to this would probably depend on which side the majority of the military joins, the military leans mostly right, so it would depend on if it were a right wing uprising vs leftists, in that case the revolution would be pretty one sided, there are simulations/theories of this on youtube if your curious.
I mean the Right wing have:

1. majority of farmland, northern cities might face famine without imports after a certain amount of time had passed, either way the left wouldn't be economically sustainable, despite having a lot of industry.

2. the majority of prior service military members, and active duty service people are right wing, so the right would have a big experience advantage, and would have properly trained servicemen able to rapidly train new recruits.

3. the right wing controls the majority of land in the US, the left's highest numbers are in certain dense population fields, meaning that the right would have access to more resources, and would be able to stretch the left thin if they tried to advance very deep imo.

4. I believe that right wing citizenry is far more heavily armed than the left, and with many of them having years of experience of hunting, living off the land, etc. etc. I could go on, but I don't see the point. Basically a right wing revolution has a higher likelihood of success for a multitude of reasons. The only way I see something like this happening is if someone decided to confiscate firearms, and nationalize private businesses etc. the mistake of leftists is that they often believe the military would be on their side, lol. That is not the case. The military would not follow unconstitutional orders along the lines of confiscating weapons etc. For a left wing revolution, I could see maybe rounding up all Hispanics and blacks and deporting them, or a dictatorship, (well either side would oppose this) something crazy along those lines. Either way it's absurd, none of these things are going to happen, there would be a quick impeachment well before it ever reached such a point. We have a system of checks and balances, and it works, the president can't just do whatever he wants, *far* from it.

[Pacomia]

Nor do all of us want a totalitarian state.

Fastest whataboutism in the west.

I want neither sharia nor authoritarianism

[Grand Proudhonia]

I honestly don't expect Trump to be stupid enough to commit (insert action here), we're not that lucky. I just want to ask if Americans are even capable of taking back their government if the need ever arose, not that it didn't a hundred times before in the past only to be answered with complete and utter apathy.

The answer to this would probably depend on which side the majority of the military joins, the military leans mostly right, so it would depend on if it were a right wing uprising vs leftists, in that case the revolution would be pretty one sided, there are simulations/theories of this on youtube if your curious.
I mean the Right wing have:

1. majority of farmland, northern cities might face famine without imports after a certain amount of time had passed, either way the left wouldn't be economically sustainable, despite having a lot of industry.

2. the majority of prior service military members, and active duty service people are right wing, so the right would have a big experience advantage, and would have properly trained servicemen able to rapidly train new recruits.

3. the right wing controls the majority of land in the US, the left's highest numbers are in certain dense population fields, meaning that the right would have access to more resources, and would be able to stretch the left thin if they tried to advance very deep imo.

4. I believe that right wing citizenry is far more heavily armed than the left, and with many of them having years of experience of hunting, living off the land, etc. etc. I could go on, but I don't see the point. Basically a right wing revolution has a higher likelihood of success for a multitude of reasons. The only way I see something like this happening is if someone decided to confiscate firearms, and nationalize private businesses etc. the mistake of leftists is that they often believe the military would be on their side, lol. That is not the case. The military would not follow unconstitutional orders along the lines of confiscating weapons etc. For a left wing revolution, I could see maybe rounding up all Hispanics and blacks and deporting them, or a dictatorship, something crazy along those lines. Either way it's absurd, none of these things are going to happen, there would be a quick impeachment well before it ever reached such a point. We have a system of checks and balances, and it works, the president can't just do whatever he wants, *far* from it.

Wow, number four has a lot wrong including

1. No left winger wants to take guns
2. No left winger wants to round up and deport hispanics and blacks
3. Right wing revolution would be met with fierce counter revolution

[Grand Proudhonia]

Fastest whataboutism in the west.

I want neither sharia nor authoritarianism

Are they not one in the same

[Pacomia]

I want neither sharia nor authoritarianism

Are they not one in the same

Authoritarianism is required for sharia, sharia is not required for authoritarianism.

[Kowani]

Fastest whataboutism in the west.

Take it as you will. Everyone here muses about ideal societies in the image of their views, none that will come to pass.

You should try being more optimistic.

Fastest whataboutism in the west.

I want neither sharia nor authoritarianism

You could try being Original.

[Pere Housh Alpha]

Another civil war

[Medwind]

The answer to this would probably depend on which side the majority of the military joins, the military leans mostly right, so it would depend on if it were a right wing uprising vs leftists, in that case the revolution would be pretty one sided, there are simulations/theories of this on youtube if your curious.
I mean the Right wing have:

1. majority of farmland, northern cities might face famine without imports after a certain amount of time had passed, either way the left wouldn't be economically sustainable, despite having a lot of industry.

2. the majority of prior service military members, and active duty service people are right wing, so the right would have a big experience advantage, and would have properly trained servicemen able to rapidly train new recruits.

3. the right wing controls the majority of land in the US, the left's highest numbers are in certain dense population fields, meaning that the right would have access to more resources, and would be able to stretch the left thin if they tried to advance very deep imo.

4. I believe that right wing citizenry is far more heavily armed than the left, and with many of them having years of experience of hunting, living off the land, etc. etc. I could go on, but I don't see the point. Basically a right wing revolution has a higher likelihood of success for a multitude of reasons. The only way I see something like this happening is if someone decided to confiscate firearms, and nationalize private businesses etc. the mistake of leftists is that they often believe the military would be on their side, lol. That is not the case. The military would not follow unconstitutional orders along the lines of confiscating weapons etc. For a left wing revolution, I could see maybe rounding up all Hispanics and blacks and deporting them, or a dictatorship, something crazy along those lines. Either way it's absurd, none of these things are going to happen, there would be a quick impeachment well before it ever reached such a point. We have a system of checks and balances, and it works, the president can't just do whatever he wants, *far* from it.

Wow, number four has a lot wrong including

1. No left winger wants to take guns
2. No left winger wants to round up and deport hispanics and blacks
3. Right wing revolution would be met with fierce counter revolution

1. Yes there are left wingers who want to seize weapons. Are they in the majority? No. Do they exist? Definitely lol. I was asked to give examples of what it would take for revolution essentially, no matter how far out. I don't *expect* these things to happen, but those are some examples I listed as to what might bring about revolution. Lol I can't believe you don't think there are *ANY* left wingers who want to take away guns, smh. There are multiple left wing politicians who have stated they don't think *ANYONE* should have guns, and there are *PLENTY* of people on this very site who will argue for that! Yet you say no one wants to take away guns, top kek. Anyway, that wasn't the point of what I said.

2. That was a similarly absurd example of what might be required for a left wing revolution, IE: if the right were to mass deport minorities, including US citizens, which only perhaps the *very* extreme far right might support.

3. The left would lose.

You seem to be missing my point. I was trying to explain the severe, extreme circumstances that I believe might result in a revolution, as requested by the OP. I made them deliberately unlikely because it would take such an extreme situation to trigger such a revolution imo. *I even stated that these things would NEVER happen, that we have a system of checks and balances, and people don't seem to understand what a president is actually capable of!*

[Arkhane]

Context wise, I don't really see how that is worthy of impeachment or the irreparable destruction of the U.S.

I didn’t say it was. I just wanted to refute the claim that he wasn’t racist.

So he said refused to rent it to them because of their skin color? Yeah, that kinda sounds like one of those outrage clickbaits.

[Bombadil]

I honestly don't expect Trump to be stupid enough to commit (insert action here), we're not that lucky. I just want to ask if Americans are even capable of taking back their government if the need ever arose, not that it didn't a hundred times before in the past only to be answered with complete and utter apathy.

The answer to this would probably depend on which side the majority of the military joins, the military leans mostly right, so it would depend on if it were a right wing uprising vs leftists, in that case the revolution would be pretty one sided, there are simulations/theories of this on youtube if your curious.
I mean the Right wing have:

1. majority of farmland, northern cities might face famine without imports after a certain amount of time had passed, either way the left wouldn't be economically sustainable, despite having a lot of industry.

2. the majority of prior service military members, and active duty service people are right wing, so the right would have a big experience advantage, and would have properly trained servicemen able to rapidly train new recruits.

3. the right wing controls the majority of land in the US, the left's highest numbers are in certain dense population fields, meaning that the right would have access to more resources, and would be able to stretch the left thin if they tried to advance very deep imo.

4. I believe that right wing citizenry is far more heavily armed than the left, and with many of them having years of experience of hunting, living off the land, etc. etc. I could go on, but I don't see the point. Basically a right wing revolution has a higher likelihood of success for a multitude of reasons. The only way I see something like this happening is if someone decided to confiscate firearms, and nationalize private businesses etc. the mistake of leftists is that they often believe the military would be on their side, lol. That is not the case. The military would not follow unconstitutional orders along the lines of confiscating weapons etc. For a left wing revolution, I could see maybe rounding up all Hispanics and blacks and deporting them, or a dictatorship, (well either side would oppose this) something crazy along those lines. Either way it's absurd, none of these things are going to happen, there would be a quick impeachment well before it ever reached such a point. We have a system of checks and balances, and it works, the president can't just do whatever he wants, *far* from it.

Pretty sure this is the logic that led the South to think they'd win..

[Medwind]

The answer to this would probably depend on which side the majority of the military joins, the military leans mostly right, so it would depend on if it were a right wing uprising vs leftists, in that case the revolution would be pretty one sided, there are simulations/theories of this on youtube if your curious.
I mean the Right wing have:

1. majority of farmland, northern cities might face famine without imports after a certain amount of time had passed, either way the left wouldn't be economically sustainable, despite having a lot of industry.

2. the majority of prior service military members, and active duty service people are right wing, so the right would have a big experience advantage, and would have properly trained servicemen able to rapidly train new recruits.

3. the right wing controls the majority of land in the US, the left's highest numbers are in certain dense population fields, meaning that the right would have access to more resources, and would be able to stretch the left thin if they tried to advance very deep imo.

4. I believe that right wing citizenry is far more heavily armed than the left, and with many of them having years of experience of hunting, living off the land, etc. etc. I could go on, but I don't see the point. Basically a right wing revolution has a higher likelihood of success for a multitude of reasons. The only way I see something like this happening is if someone decided to confiscate firearms, and nationalize private businesses etc. the mistake of leftists is that they often believe the military would be on their side, lol. That is not the case. The military would not follow unconstitutional orders along the lines of confiscating weapons etc. For a left wing revolution, I could see maybe rounding up all Hispanics and blacks and deporting them, or a dictatorship, (well either side would oppose this) something crazy along those lines. Either way it's absurd, none of these things are going to happen, there would be a quick impeachment well before it ever reached such a point. We have a system of checks and balances, and it works, the president can't just do whatever he wants, *far* from it.

Pretty sure this is the logic that led the South to think they'd win..

This isn't the 1800's pal, things have changed. For one the south is far more industrialized now, we're not an agrarian society. For another it wouldn't be south vs north, it'd be left versus right, a whole nother playing field. IE: the midwestern states would likely join the right, much of cali would join the left etc. etc. it would be an entirely different war. Don't look back on an old war and think it will go the same way, that's what the French and English thought about when WWII went down, that it would just be a repeat of WWI. It's simply not logical, the advantage is actually with the right, whether you recognize it or not. Although you guys are overly focused on my predictions on who would win, that wasn't really the point, it was just to answer OP's question of "can America actually launch a revolution" (paraphrased) to which I stated that it would depend on the situation essentially, and the politics of the situation are key imo.

[Kaystein]

What is America's breaking point?

Donald Trump.

[The Imperium Empires]

A full out war, honestly America is the 'Rome' of its time. A great power, great influence who as history shows usually collapse through war, be it civil or invasion.

[Miami Shores]

Simple question, what action would trump have to commit for Americans to decide enough is enough and remove him by force. And I don't mean angry phone calls to senators, I mean rioting in the streets, serious calls for secession, and a mob marching in DC with members of the military taking their side.

What boneheaded move would Trump and his allies need to make for the American people to lose all patience and take action against the government for once in their lives? What would be the straw that breaks the camel's back?

Personally I don't have that much faith in the American people. I honestly believe that Trump could declare himself president for life, repeal the first amendment, reinstate segregation, openly deny the holocaust, publicly execute political enemies, place hispanics in death camps, invade Greenland, invite Russian troops, and make pineapple pizza the national food, and Americans would still stare at their screens drooling and completely indifferent to the world around them.

This is just another anti Trump thread nothing more than that, which you have a right to post, I am a proud Republican, Hispanic Latino supporter of President Trump, which I have a right to be and their is nothing wrong with that.

[-Ocelot-]

Lol, Trump must be like Hitler 2.0 to you guys. It's crazy how radicalized the left has become, hoping for revolution against a lawful president, smh.

The left in the US is a statistical error. The only major political party that has been radicalized in the recent years is the Republican party. Maybe worry about them instead of the non-existent left.

For Europeans like myself, Trump is not hitler 2.0. He is a joke.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Demanding to be worshipped as a living god. Marrying his daughter. Renaming Sunday as Trumpday. Making himself part of the US Olympic squad and threatening the world with nuclear retaliation if he isn't made the winner of every event.

[Pere Housh Alpha]

Simple question, what action would trump have to commit for Americans to decide enough is enough and remove him by force. And I don't mean angry phone calls to senators, I mean rioting in the streets, serious calls for secession, and a mob marching in DC with members of the military taking their side.

What boneheaded move would Trump and his allies need to make for the American people to lose all patience and take action against the government for once in their lives? What would be the straw that breaks the camel's back?

Personally I don't have that much faith in the American people. I honestly believe that Trump could declare himself president for life, repeal the first amendment, reinstate segregation, openly deny the holocaust, publicly execute political enemies, place hispanics in death camps, invade Greenland, invite Russian troops, and make pineapple pizza the national food, and Americans would still stare at their screens drooling and completely indifferent to the world around them.

This is just another anti Trump thread nothing more than that, which you have a right to post, I am a proud Republican, Hispanic Latino supporter of President Trump, which I have a right to be and their is nothing wrong with that.

Amen

[Pere Housh Alpha]

Lol, Trump must be like Hitler 2.0 to you guys. It's crazy how radicalized the left has become, hoping for revolution against a lawful president, smh.

The left in the US is a statistical error. The only major political party that has been radicalized in the recent years is the Republican party. Maybe worry about them instead of the non-existent left.

For Europeans like myself, Trump is not hitler 2.0. He is a joke.

Democratic Party is the party that has become radicalized not the Republicans.

[Miami Shores]

The left in the US is a statistical error. The only major political party that has been radicalized in the recent years is the Republican party. Maybe worry about them instead of the non-existent left.

For Europeans like myself, Trump is not hitler 2.0. He is a joke.

Democratic Party is the party that has become radicalized not the Republicans.

I second this Post, Pro open borders illegal immigration, abolish ICE, drivers licenses for illegal immigrants, free government health care for illegal immigrants, free government education benefits for illegal immigrants, voting rights for illegal immigrants, Bernie Sanders is Pro Cuban regime, Pro Venezuela regime, calls himself a socialist, wants to nationalize electric companies and who knows what else, is supported by the Democrat Socialists of America, who have a few members who belong to the Democratic Party as well, Rashida Tlaib and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are the most well known members, Warren and Bernie Sanders have very similar economic, political and social policies and so on.