What is America's breaking point?

[Grand Proudhonia]

Ah. Although I’ll point out that Somalia does have rulers- they’re just a patchwork and often less pleasant than the government.

Clive Bundy decided to not obey the government and he rallied enough people that the feds backed down. He proved my point that there is power among the people against the government. Much of the government's power is symbolic and if challenged it would simply vanish

This tbh... The government is not going to be keen on going to war with its own citizenry... its much more likely that a mix of accelerationism and mass strike will bring the radical change we desire as the government will cave before it starts committing any massacres.... This is especially true in relation to The Modern US seeing as such government atrocities would only exacerbate the problem... You cant kill an idea sort of thing.

[Antityranicals]

Anything which is funded by taxes is socialist, as the means of production are in effect taken over by the collective, forcibly taking a percentage of their production for distribution. That's socialist.

That would make literally anything the government does socialist, like, absolutely everything, and no matter what form of government, would be socialist.

All governments which exist today are socialist. It is not impossible to have a government which is funded by voluntary transaction, but sadly, none exist today.

[Grand Proudhonia]

That would make literally anything the government does socialist, like, absolutely everything, and no matter what form of government, would be socialist.

All governments which exist today are socialist. It is not impossible to have a government which is funded by voluntary transaction, but sadly, none exist today.

Most governments today (at least in the west) are capitalistic welfare states lmao... not Socialism....

[Antityranicals]

All governments which exist today are socialist. It is not impossible to have a government which is funded by voluntary transaction, but sadly, none exist today.

Most governments today (at least in the west) are capitalistic welfare states lmao... not Socialism....

"Capitalistic welfare states" is a contradiction in terms. There are no truly capitalist countries today.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That would make literally anything the government does socialist, like, absolutely everything, and no matter what form of government, would be socialist.

All governments which exist today are socialist. It is not impossible to have a government which is funded by voluntary transaction, but sadly, none exist today.

Anon I don't think you know what socialism is.

[Diopolis]

To answer the question, if Trump were to enact comprehensive gun control, he might just end up dealing with that problem.

Honestly, assault weapons bans might be the only law that could be passed with the express intention of not enforcing it.

[Ayissor]

That would make literally anything the government does socialist, like, absolutely everything, and no matter what form of government, would be socialist.

All governments which exist today are socialist. It is not impossible to have a government which is funded by voluntary transaction, but sadly, none exist today.

You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means...

[Antityranicals]

All governments which exist today are socialist. It is not impossible to have a government which is funded by voluntary transaction, but sadly, none exist today.

You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means...

Socialism is public ownership of the means of production. For the government to collect taxes, it must claim a right to do so, and thus a partial ownership of all means of production. It's not total socialism, but it is socialism.

[Myfanwyski]

Marry Kim Jong-Un, then convert to Islam and burn the stars and stripes.

[Thepeopl]

Hit a rabbit or kick a dog. Whole of America will rise up in indignation

[Thepeopl]

You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means...

Socialism is public ownership of the means of production. For the government to collect taxes, it must claim a right to do so, and thus a partial ownership of all means of production. It's not total socialism, but it is socialism.

socialism
/ˈsəʊʃəlɪz(ə)m/

noun
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.


A tax (from the Latin taxo) is a compulsory financial charge or some other type of levy imposed upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a governmental organization in order to fund various public expenditures. A failure to pay, along with evasion of or resistance to taxation, is punishable by law

So, tax is not the government claiming ownership of existing property/ salary/ companies, it just claims a part of everything to pay for public facilities like roads, bridges, hospitals, schools, police, army, firefighters, government itself etc.

[Lower Nubia]

Nothing. There’s a non zero chance Donald Trunp is a pedophile, money launderer, Racist, and Obstructor of justice..

The Republicans love him, just look at the RWDT, 30% think he’s doing a good job.

i can feel the sarcasm in me lol this is suppose to be what would americas breaking point be... not what u think about trump

What boneheaded move would Trump and his allies need to make for the American people to lose all patience and take action against the government for once in their lives? What would be the straw that breaks the camel's back?

That was the question proposed by the OP.

[Tokora]

can u name 1 nation that is successful with socialism

Yugoslavia

I honestly believe that Trump could declare himself president for life, repeal the first amendment, reinstate segregation, openly deny the holocaust, publicly execute political enemies, place hispanics in death camps, invade Greenland, invite Russian troops, and make pineapple pizza the national food, and Americans would still stare at their screens drooling and completely indifferent to the world around them.

Do you really believe that Trump would do these things?

It's a worst case scenario to make the point that I believe that no matter what Trump might do the American people are too lazy to even try to force the government to work for them

[Kubra]

Simple question, what action would trump have to commit for Americans to decide enough is enough and remove him by force. And I don't mean angry phone calls to senators, I mean rioting in the streets, serious calls for secession, and a mob marching in DC with members of the military taking their side.

What boneheaded move would Trump and his allies need to make for the American people to lose all patience and take action against the government for once in their lives? What would be the straw that breaks the camel's back?

Personally I don't have that much faith in the American people. I honestly believe that Trump could declare himself president for life, repeal the first amendment, reinstate segregation, openly deny the holocaust, publicly execute political enemies, place hispanics in death camps, invade Greenland, invite Russian troops, and make pineapple pizza the national food, and Americans would still stare at their screens drooling and completely indifferent to the world around them.

They didn't do it for other bad presidents, why would they do it for this one?
I mean that's kinda the whole point of elections and terms: you don't have to have a civil war to change the leadership.

[Telconi]

can u name 1 nation that is successful with socialism

Yugoslavia

Do you really believe that Trump would do these things?

It's a worst case scenario to make the point that I believe that no matter what Trump might do the American people are too lazy to even try to force the government to work for them

Yugoslavia's lack of existing seems like a counterpoint.

Simple question, what action would trump have to commit for Americans to decide enough is enough and remove him by force. And I don't mean angry phone calls to senators, I mean rioting in the streets, serious calls for secession, and a mob marching in DC with members of the military taking their side.

What boneheaded move would Trump and his allies need to make for the American people to lose all patience and take action against the government for once in their lives? What would be the straw that breaks the camel's back?

Personally I don't have that much faith in the American people. I honestly believe that Trump could declare himself president for life, repeal the first amendment, reinstate segregation, openly deny the holocaust, publicly execute political enemies, place hispanics in death camps, invade Greenland, invite Russian troops, and make pineapple pizza the national food, and Americans would still stare at their screens drooling and completely indifferent to the world around them.

They didn't do it for other bad presidents, why would they do it for this one?
I mean that's kinda the whole point of elections and terms: you don't have to have a civil war to change the leadership.

But what if the election doesn't work?

[Kubra]

Yugoslavia


It's a worst case scenario to make the point that I believe that no matter what Trump might do the American people are too lazy to even try to force the government to work for them

Yugoslavia's lack of existing seems like a counterpoint.

They didn't do it for other bad presidents, why would they do it for this one?
I mean that's kinda the whole point of elections and terms: you don't have to have a civil war to change the leadership.

But what if the election doesn't work?

Doesn't work in what way?

[US-SSR]

Declare himself an atheist.

[The Snazzylands]

Depends what you mean by breaking point. If you mean all-out revolution, it's not gonna happen as long as most of us are still able to enjoy our bread and circuses junk food and Netflix. If you mean actual backlash against Trump as president, he would probably have to do something so extreme, so vulgar and disgusting to Republicans that it would alienate even his most hardcore supporters. Saying that he thinks Israel does bad things sometimes, for example.

[Salus Maior]

Lol, Trump must be like Hitler 2.0 to you guys. It's crazy how radicalized the left has become, hoping for revolution against a lawful president, smh.

Everyone is radicalized, not just the Left. The current culture of American politics has made it unfashionable to not be ridiculously extreme....in all the wrong ways I might add.

Yeah, our political system is garbage.

[Nazeroth]

Simple question, what action would trump have to commit for Americans to decide enough is enough and remove him by force. And I don't mean angry phone calls to senators, I mean rioting in the streets, serious calls for secession, and a mob marching in DC with members of the military taking their side.

What boneheaded move would Trump and his allies need to make for the American people to lose all patience and take action against the government for once in their lives? What would be the straw that breaks the camel's back?

Personally I don't have that much faith in the American people. I honestly believe that Trump could declare himself president for life, repeal the first amendment, reinstate segregation, openly deny the holocaust, publicly execute political enemies, place hispanics in death camps, invade Greenland, invite Russian troops, and make pineapple pizza the national food, and Americans would still stare at their screens drooling and completely indifferent to the world around them.

I can feel the TDS exuding from this

[Medwind]

By most mainstream metrics I'm a hard right winger, so yeah..



I do think most would break for the right for sure. Soldiers and whatnot fairly heavily come from rural conservative areas more than elsewhere and there'd be some strong bias there, just like there was for a bunch of officers back in the Civil war.

I think in any kind of genuine civil war the regular military would be torn apart in a matter of months at most. I think that the right’s troops and officers would be much higher quality for the next two-five years ish but after that who knows.

Unlikely. The military is largely right wing, even more so among the officer corp. Some leftists would desert and possibly fight for the other side for sure, but the majority would side with the right. The non politically affiliated would side with their unit, so the right would likely receive the vast majority of military support. I don't think the war would even last two years, the left wouldn't have time to organize and train before they had experienced, professional war fighters with advanced technology, like an actual air force and navy on top of them. The war would probably cease to be a conventional conflict in a matter of months, with the left having to resort to guerrilla tactics. Look at what happens when a population goes up against the US military, look at the casualty reports from Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

[Major-Tom]

Our breaking point happens when Trump refuses to concede the 2020 election, thus launching a nationwide shitstorm of epic proportions.

[Alien Overlord]

Our breaking point happens when Trump refuses to concede the 2020 election, thus launching a nationwide shitstorm of epic proportions.

Only ten incumbent Presidents have ever been defeated while running for a second term. Judging by how many people voted for him the first time, and that there hasn't been some massive scandal that may change people's opinions of him, i don't see him losing the 2020 Election. Especially if the Democrats muster a radical candidate that moderates can't identify with.

[The Wasatch]

Our breaking point happens when Trump refuses to concede the 2020 election, thus launching a nationwide shitstorm of epic proportions.

Only ten incumbent Presidents have ever been defeated while running for a second term. Judging by how many people voted for him the first time, and that there hasn't been some massive scandal that may change people's opinions of him, i don't see him losing the 2020 Election. Especially if the Democrats muster a radical candidate that moderates can't identify with.

It has been demonstrated many times that the left simply needs to mobilize more voters, but doesn't actually have to win over any moderates, to win. Plus, there are several scandals, not that it changed his voters' minds.

[Bombadil]

Our breaking point happens when Trump refuses to concede the 2020 election, thus launching a nationwide shitstorm of epic proportions.

Only ten incumbent Presidents have ever been defeated while running for a second term. Judging by how many people voted for him the first time, and that there hasn't been some massive scandal that may change people's opinions of him, i don't see him losing the 2020 Election. Especially if the Democrats muster a radical candidate that moderates can't identify with.

If you look at his popularity trend it most closely mimics Ford, frankly the fact you don't think there's been a massive scandal simply shows the extent to which the word 'scandal' has been downgraded. However I think the mass of daily bullshit wears down on people and I think enough independents will go against him to overcome his incredibly fluky win in '16.

I doubt he'd go so far as refuse to concede but I'll certainly switch out of Twitter for the next 6 months cos the veritable shitstorm of tweets he'll produce will likely explode any electronic device displaying them.